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July 11, 2008 2:37 PM

Favre asks out of Green Bay

Posted by Danny O'Neil

It was an emotional moment for Brett Favre, a time when he talked about his belief that he wouldn't be back for another football season.

His teary-eyed March press conference? No. Try three years ago on Jan. 1 aboard the Seahawks team plane when he hopped on board and told his former coach, Mike Holmgren, that was it. He was done.

Well, he changed his mind that time, coming back to play in 2006. And Favre's apparently done changed his mind again. He retired back in March, but now he wants back in. He indicated it first with a text message, now a formal letter and finally a press-release response from the Green Bay Packers saying that Favre could apply to the commissioner for reinstatement and at that point he would return to the Packers active roster.

So what will happen then? That's up for speculation.

There is a connection between Favre and Holmgren and some may wonder if a reunion is in order, but there's no way that move makes sense for either the Seahawks or for Favre. First, Seattle has a quarterback. A very good one in fact. Matt Hasselbeck is coming off what was probably the best season of his career when you consider the Seahawks' overall lack of a running game. Hasselbeck passed proficiently even though everyone knew he was going to pass.

Then there's Favre. He's coming back to play, the emphasis being on that last word. He wouldn't go to a team where he would be second string. Places like Minnesota, Baltimore or maybe Carolina would make more sense because he could compete for the starting job.

More than that, though, Favre is a much different quarterback now than he was at the peak of Holmgren's tenure in Green Bay. He takes more chances, throws more interceptions and takes the kind of liberties that would cause Holmgren to yank out what remains of his hair.

Holmgren likes to call Favre a young stallion he had to harness. In 1993 -- Favre's second season in Green Bay -- the Packers went 9-7 and qualified for the playoffs. Favre passed for 19 touchdowns and was intercepted 24 times.

"There was a time that a few doubts crept in whether he could actually discipline himself enough to actually reach his potential," Holmgren said in 2006 in the days before Seattle played Green Bay on Monday night. "We had a talk about that after the third season, one of many talks. But I just said, 'We've got to get these interceptions down to take the next step.' "

Favre did just that. From 1994 to 1997, Favre was intercepted an average of 14.5 times. He has thrown 15 or fewer interceptions only once in the past five seasons.

That's not an attack on Favre's productivity or his ability or his decisions as much as a straight forward statement that because Favre thrived under Holmgren 10 seasons ago that he can do it again. The Seahawks will be like everyone else, watching Favre's situation unfold, but it's hard to see any reason they would become involved as a destination.

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Posted by CA Hawk Fan

3:59 PM, Jul 11, 2008

If you don't think Favre could challenge Hasselbeck for the starting job...then you must be related to Matt.

Seriously...who was the starter when they were both in Green Bay?

If you asked 100 non-biased people who was the better QB between the two...who do you think they'd say?

Favre would be great in Seattle.

Posted by brett b

4:23 PM, Jul 11, 2008

Uh... that was ten years ago. If Favre were to challenge Hasselbeck for the starting job, he would have to grasp Holmgren's offense all over again (which he hasn't played for ten years), plus he would have to gain the same rapport with the receivers that Hasselbeck possesses. Meanwhile, Hasselbeck has mastered Holmgren's offense backwards and forwards over the last six years while gaining the respect of his teammates as the team leader. Do you really think this team needs a QB controversy while they are trying to win the Super Bowl in Holmgren's last year? At this moment in their careers, I think Hasselbeck is the better QB anyway. Sure, Favre has had the better career, but that doesn't mean he's the same player as he once was.

Please think before you post such foolish statements.

Posted by Brian in Tucson

4:41 PM, Jul 11, 2008

wonder if he can hit a baseball? I hear the Mariners are looking for a first baseman.

The Hawks don't need him, tho, that's for sure. He might make an impact on a team that really needed some short term help at the position. But a team that's constantly building towards the future and already has a couple of good quarterbacks (the Seahawks come to mind) don't need to acquire a player in the twilight of his career.

Posted by Seahawks

7:02 PM, Jul 11, 2008

If Favre comes back, it's to win a ring. And I think it's somewhere that NEEDS a QB, like Minnesota or Chicago (Watch the Cheeseheads fall in the aisles in GB!!!!). Seriously, as a Seahawk fan in South Dakota, I'm watching this intently, because I firmly believe Brett Favre will be the starting QB for the MINNESOTA VIKINGS this fall-WOW!!!!!

Posted by Tony Soprano

7:17 PM, Jul 11, 2008

"Do you really think this team needs a QB controversy while they are trying to win the Super Bowl in Holmgren's last year? "

A QB controversy? No. We don't need that. Matt has earned his spot. However, I think a healthy competition is exactly what he needs to help push him to the top of his game. I know Favre wants to go somewhere where he will be # 1, and most likely it will work out that way. But if it doesn't, then having him here as the backup would be a great situation for us. He and Matt are friends. He could mentor Matt. I think that would be an important factor after losing Zorn. That would also free up Seneca to be used in various options. It could be exactly what this team needs to put it over the top.

Posted by brett b

7:41 PM, Jul 11, 2008

The problem is that will never happen. There is no way Favre is going to come back to a team where he isn't the guaranteed starter from day one.

Posted by free gas

9:02 PM, Jul 11, 2008

In all super bowl or just great NFL teams that have a good run, it usually comes down to....the right coach, staff, QB, team personal in general !
Kind of like saying all the planets lining up at the right time, right place, and beaming on the SEAHAWKS!! So long as they can keep the nucleus in places they will be Winnie's for many years......I think? Favre, more then likely would just fade away like other's looking for that last rush of adrenaline .

Posted by A man's man

3:37 PM, Jul 12, 2008

Favre has something Matt doesn't - a pair. He is Clint Eastwood to Matt's Don Knotts. Matt looks good in the pocket and throws a nice ball when things are going well. But when the pressure is on he will have that inevitable panic attack causing him to make the most ridiculous mistakes. Matt will go down in history as a good, but never great, quarterback.

Posted by Ziasudra

3:35 PM, Jul 13, 2008

Farve's request is ridiculous - If GB gave him a release, his 9m would count against their salary cap, and he could sign wih Chi or Minn, making them favorites for the SB. Who does Farve think Thompson is? Bill Bavasi?
PS - Farve was a great QB, sure first-ticket HoF. But, how's come he folded against NY - that inteception speaks volumes, as "time to hang it up."
I'll go with Hasselback for now. . . .

Posted by David

9:14 PM, Jul 13, 2008

Favre belongs in Green Bay period. We wouldnt want him! I want Hassleback, not Favre! What a dumb rumor....

Posted by Greg

9:19 PM, Jul 13, 2008

I agree, he is going to stay with Green bay. This is just a journalists attempt to spark a war of words. I don't get it, clearly they have a million other things to write about...what a waste ....sheesh

Posted by Cno1else

9:22 PM, Jul 13, 2008

LOL!! I know, next thing they'll be talking about the Yankees and the Redsox, desperately trying to find a way to tie them in to something Seattle related!

Posted by duce duce

11:11 AM, Jul 14, 2008

PLEASE STOP! It is never going to happen. Nor should it happen. We have a very good qb and a decent back up and there is no reason to mess that up.

Danny- I can't believe you would even say something like that. Look at what you have started.

And to A man's man, I will give you that Favre has a pair, but what you said about Matt - "Matt looks good in the pocket and throws a nice ball when things are going well. But when the pressure is on he will have that inevitable panic attack causing him to make the most ridiculous mistakes" is exactly what Favre does. Matt is actually pretty good in the clutch. That drive last year in the playoff game against the Skins was beautiful. That was as clutch as it gets. In fact, Favre is terrible in the clutch! He will go down as one of the greatest qb's off all time, but he is nowhere near Elway or Montana when it comes to crunch time. He has thrown some of the worse pics I have ever seen when the game is on the line.

Posted by nature

1:27 PM, Jul 14, 2008

Fah-veh's 9 million salary would not count against their cap. His pro-rated signing bonus (and possibly roster bonus?) is the only thing that would count.

Brett coming to Seattle is one of the dumbest things I've heard this offseason.

Anyone that stated Brett will only go to a team that guarantee's him a starting roll "gets it".

And no... Brett would not be a good mentor for Matt at this stage of Matt's career.

Though it is true that he'd make a great backup and would free up Seneca to play slot (which we all dream about!). But maybe Frye will improve enough to risk playing Wallace at WR. We're in desperate need of playmakers at that position it would seem.

Posted by Ziasudra

5:02 PM, Jul 14, 2008

Danny - what about the rumor that Engram will honorhis contract this year? Someone alluded to it on talk radio - do you know anything? (pun intended)

Posted by Eric

7:25 PM, Jul 14, 2008

LOL!! good one.....ya how about something related to Seattle!!

Posted by no fan

9:41 AM, Jul 15, 2008

I thought he was smart enough to retire while he was
ON TOP. Smart is knowing when it's over. He doesn't need a ring, another record, or a new team or a new offensive scheme, and he isn't going to want to sit on the bench. He needs to realize that it's O.V.E.R.

Time for the new generation.

Posted by David Gee

1:09 PM, Jul 15, 2008

I am so frigging sick of Brett Favre. And I think that many of us would say the same thing - a year ago.

Posted by CA hawk fan

2:59 PM, Jul 15, 2008

He's better than Hasselbeck.

And if you deny are a true, unabashed homer.

We're talking about the leading TD passer in the history of the game. And we're saying "Eh...we've got Hasselbeck. Thanks! But we're good!"

Obviously, it's probably not happening...I just think, as a Seahawk fan, that it would make next year a wild ride.

Posted by UT Hawk

3:24 PM, Jul 21, 2008

CA Hawk Fan, yes, taking their careers as a whole, Favre is better than Hass. But who has the better numbers over the last 3 seasons?

That would be Hass:

#4 1071/1755, 61.0%, 66 TD, 62 INT
#8 856/1382, 61.9%, 70 TD, 46 INT

Even missing 4 games in '07, Hass has more TDs than Favre. Right now, I want Hass, not Favre. The numbers support that.

Posted by UT Hawk

3:25 PM, Jul 21, 2008

That should read: Even missing 4 games in '06...

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