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April 26, 2008 5:07 PM

President Tim Ruskell: John Carlson top rated tight end on Seattle's draft board

Posted by Danny O'Neil

President Tim Ruskell and coach Mike Holmgren just finished answering reporter's questions. Specifically, Ruskell explained the rationale at tight end. He said he always thought the second round was the best value round to pick a tight end. Also, he said Carlson was the top rated tight end in Seattle's grading scale.

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Posted by alan

5:21 PM, Apr 26, 2008

He is tall and can catch and block. WE NEED THAT

Posted by Ruskell stinks

5:25 PM, Apr 26, 2008

To have traded up and given away a third rounder to get Carlson is terrible, he'd have still been there at 55 (which was our original 2nd round selection). Ruskell is clueless and the Seahawks don't disappoint in screwing up a draft again. How typical. I also read Carlson was the top rated TE on the Seahawks board. Obviously they didn't watch college games this past season. Carlson sucks, I watched him in person in South Bend against AIr Force. I don't want to hear about how ND's offense and QB weren't as good, this guy would have been available in the third round. Like Bill Bavasi for the M's, Ruskell is clueless and continues to show it with the head scratching moves.

Posted by Derek

5:28 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Yeah...4 straight Division Titles and a Superbowl....Ruskell, that bum.

Posted by Ruskell stinks

5:34 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Carlson would have been available much later in the draft, period. Holmgren and NOT Ruskell put together nearly all of the Seahawks Superbowl team

Posted by Q

5:34 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Carlson would not have been there at 55. Redskins would have definitely taken him. Good move.

Posted by nature

5:38 PM, Apr 26, 2008

I agree with you Derek. Just think... Ruskell was stupid enough to draft losers like Lofa. Then he goes out and signs scrubs like Kerney, Peterson, Grant and Russell. Chump-city all the way. Personally I'm thinking our #2 poster (poser?) should be our next GM.

Posted by salemdawg

5:41 PM, Apr 26, 2008

How does ANYONE know he would have been there at 55? You don't. That's a stupid argument against the pick... you just have no clue what other teams are going to do.

Posted by Jordan V

5:47 PM, Apr 26, 2008

As a Seahawk fan myself, it makes me so happy to know that so many of our fanbase is so well informed on how good every player in the draft is (presumably according to Mel), how they would fit into our team's organization and play style, and how every pick in the draft between each of our picks would go down.

Clearly we have the most informed fanbase of any team!

Frankly, I'm quite surprised many of you aren't working for the Seahawks. I mean, they probably spend quite a lot of money on talent scouts who spend the entire year closely deciding who would be the best fit for the team and when they might likely go (regardless of what a bunch of talking heads might say)... but if you guys can all do that by just watching a few college games and reading a wikipedia page of stats, they should totally hire you! I'm sure it would save them a lot of money.

Posted by nature

5:47 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Q - looks like you were right on with that post. Washington took the USC tight end. We may never really know but it looks like shrewd move to move up and take the TE that we not only wanted but *needed*.

We had to glaring needs - TE, and K. We just filled one (though I'm not totally sold that it'll pay off this year). With the late round picks my guess is we draft at the very least two kickers. The next few picks will see a WR or two and a LB (or specialty teams kinda guy), maybe a solution of long snapper.

Posted by Scott

5:48 PM, Apr 26, 2008

I learned a few years ago just how little I really know about the NFL Draft. When the Hawks traded up for Lofa I was livid and thought it was ridiculous, now I realize I was an idiot. I trust Ruskell.

Posted by nature

5:54 PM, Apr 26, 2008

salemdawg - exactly. There is no way of knowing ever.

We took a chance. Let's hope (collectively as 'hawk fans!) it pays off. If not, it wouldn't be the first (or last) time.

Jordan: how much ya think they'd pay me? I can Arm-Chair-GM with the best of 'em!

I'm still pondering the first pick. Maybe it was a safe one. We certainly didn't need a TE or K in the first round. Day 2 is where great teams are made. Should be interesting.

Posted by doug

5:56 PM, Apr 26, 2008

honestly this is the worst draft i have ever seen as a seahawks fan. it just disgusts me. FRED DAVIS WAS THERE AND IS A SPECIAL TALENt this guy played at crapter dame

Posted by nature

5:58 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Oh... and i forgot (And I could be wrong) but if I'm not mistaken when we took Josh-sell-out-Brown in the 7th round he was the only kicker drafted that year.

Even money bets a big reason the hawks moved down in the 1st is to take an extra kicker or two?

Posted by salemdawg

6:04 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Fred Davis is a "special player?"

Really? Why wasn't he picked in the top 10 like Kellen Winslow was? Why wasn't he a first round pick like Jeremy Shockey?

Davis has a nice set of offensive skills, but he is a horrible blocker.

I HATE Notre Dame. Can't stand them at all - but this guy seems like a good fit for the Hawks.

Posted by salemdawg

6:07 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Four TEs taken from the end of the first round to the end of the second round.

I think the Hawks brass knew what they were doing when they traded up.

Posted by good ol' george

6:17 PM, Apr 26, 2008

I like this pick. There's also no character issues. Plus, he's from Notre Dame

Posted by chawks4ever

6:20 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Yes a third is steep...BUT watch this and think about what he could bring with a quality offense...

Its kinda homerish for ND which is nauseating personally but you can see his potential here.

MUCH better than the kid from USC IMO but hell I don't know anything...

Watch and decide for yourself. Specially round 1:35 to 1:45 in the clip. Outruns DB's to score.

Posted by Patrick F.

6:43 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Good picks today. Tight end is a real need, and Carlson looks like a good blocker/receiver. We needed a DE and we got a good one. Not a bad day. I would've like to see Jonathan Stewart fall to us, but he went earlier than expected at 13.

I wonder if they'll look at any receivers or running backs, on the final day of the draft.

Anyone who says so and so would've been there at 55, has absolutely no clue what they're talking about. How do you know? A lot of top tier talent wasn't picked until the late second round that was projected to go in the first round. You never know what teams are going to do, until they do it. Ruskell has proven over the years, he knows how to evaluate talent.

Posted by gocougs16

6:48 PM, Apr 26, 2008

To Ruskell Stinks:

Do you even know what you're talking about. I don't disagree that Carlson would have been there at #55 but why gamble. The chance of a third round pick making any legitimate contribution next year is minimal. TE was a spot the hawks had to account for in this draft. Carlson was our guy and we made sure it happened, Holmgren wouldn't draft a bum for a TE in his final year. How can you complain after the Seahawks have had so much draft success?

Posted by JR

7:12 PM, Apr 26, 2008

My goodness gang, how in the hell do you know if a certain guy is going to be here at 55 or 45. If you are so smart why are you guys workinjg in the War room of some NFL team? And if you're so smart, what are the G*d-Damn lottery numbers going to be next Saturday? Know it all SOB's. I agree with a previous post, how many Division titles for the Hawks in a row? Someone knows what there're doing. Take a pill and chill. BTW, most needs are filled the second day of the draft. Check it out.

Posted by KG

7:34 PM, Apr 26, 2008

There are fans that are crticizing Ruskell and some who love him -- I'll point out the good and the bad, in my opinion --

- Blowing up a 2005 Super Bowl Team
- Not Franchising Hutch (one of the worst moves in Seattle Sports History)
- Losing DJ Hackett
- Signing Shaun at age 30 to a long-term deal, then cutting him two years later (waste of money...)
- Trading Brach for a 1st Round Pick
- Drafting two small average CB's with our first two picks in the last two years (Jennings and Wilson)
- Drafting David Greene with our 1st round pick in 2005! (teribble...)
- Overpaying Burleson (same contract as Hutch)
- Holmgren's request for a TE unanswered until now
- Today's draft (choosing a DE for your first pick when you already have two starters at that position - Tapp and Kerney)
- Overlooking Kentwan Ballmer (could have picked him and filled a need (DT), instead, he was the next pick to a division rival)
- Investing heavily in a defense that still ranked #15 last year. (In 2004, before Ruskell, it was #8)

- Drafting Lofa Tatupu
- Drafting Leroy Hill
- Drafting Daryl Tapp
- Bringing in Pat Kerney
- Bringing in J. Peterson
- Letting Ken Hamlin go...
- Letting the traitor Josh Brown go (but offered him too much could have been a blunder)

Safeties - Russell and Grant
O-Line Draft Picks - Sims and Spencer
Leanord Weaver

Now, you all can decide if Ruskell is a good evaluator of talent...

Posted by ptrick

7:46 PM, Apr 26, 2008

Uh, KG-
Try to get your facts straight.

David Greene was a 3rd rounder, not 1st. And our D was ranked 26th in 2004. I think you were thinking about our O.

I know that this is a little too obvious, but if Carlson works out he was worth giving up the 3rd rounder. That simple. It was the safe move. If I'm GM, I wait and take Davis, Bennett or whoever was available at 55th. But if they are that high on Carlson......

I hope it works out.

Posted by Jon Norton

7:53 PM, Apr 26, 2008

I have watched Lo Jack all through his college career and the Seahwks got themselves a steal. He will be in the Pro Bowl within three years. Too bad the Hawks did not draft the best tight end in the draft, Fred Davis. Carlson is the better blocker, but Fred Davis is faster, and has much better hands. Not bad, USC with four first rounders. Wait until next year with Maualuga, Cushing, Ellison, and Seattle native Taylor Mays all of which could go in the first round. GO HAWKS

Posted by KG

7:55 PM, Apr 26, 2008

My fault Patrick, yeah, Greene was a 3rd rounder, Spencer was the 1st rounder that year. Sorry about that. And I should have put the Ballmer stuff in today's draft in the "Verdict still out" category.

And another mistake with the defensive rankings in 04 - again sorry -- we were #17 in 2005, #19 in 2006, #17 in 2007 - I just think those numbers should get a lot better when we invest so much, but that might be more directed to Marshall.

Thanks for catching the errors - apologize for that.

Posted by Bruce M.

8:01 PM, Apr 26, 2008

We can decide, but we don't have to agree with those assessments.

Jennings is a good pick, and getting better. Burleson was not that much money, by current standards, and he gives us something we otherwise lack--take it to the house possibilities. His contract, while structered to look like Hutch's, was far cheaper.

Tapp has proven, thus far, that he is not an every-down DE. Kearney will be 32 before this season ends. We need a third DE.

Balmer was a one year wonder, and even then compiled his best stats against linemen who will not be drafted this year.

Russell and Grant were FAR better than Hamlin and Boulware

Posted by mjzznn

8:07 PM, Apr 26, 2008

To Ruskell stinks,

How many GM jobs have you been contacted about? I've been very satisfied with Ruskells job overall. He has made one huuuuuuge mistake by underestimating the cut throat nature of other GM's with the Hutchinson deal, but his drafts have been above average. I'm excited about this years picks. I have a feeling you'll be singing the praises of how great Jackson turns out. Now, get in line behind Kiper for that next GM opening

Posted by Kev

8:11 PM, Apr 26, 2008


Good points..once you corrected a few. I'd definately put the Balmer in the wait to see category. Myself I like Ruskells philosophy of taking someone who has excelled his entire college career over a one year wonder. I would also put the two safeties in the Ruskell success column. Just ask Trufant if they made a difference on how he could play WR's. He knew they had his back.

Posted by Kev

8:16 PM, Apr 26, 2008


Forgot, I'd also have to disagree on the two many DE's being in Ruskells bad column. The Giants showed you need more than two & I'm not sold on Tapp. He may end up being #3 and a good one at that.

Posted by free beer

8:19 PM, Apr 26, 2008

I think the Hawk organization knows more on what the need and what's going on in the inside better than any of us! Their first player they drafted I didn't get when they need offencive build up, hope they don't get caught with their jock strap down offensively specking!

Posted by ptrick

8:21 PM, Apr 26, 2008

no worries KG. I agree with the overall point that Ruskell has his hits and misses. Too simplistic to say he sucks or he is a god.

I like the Jackson pick. The trend of playing 4 DE on passing downs is very underreported. Kerney played DT often on passing downs. Jackson will be a huge asset for us.

I like the Carlson pick as a pick, but really hated giving up the 3rd rounder.

I guess we will see. I felt a lot better after looking up his numbers from his pro day workout. A 4.67 40 is much better than the 4.9 he was sporting, and a 35.5 vertical is very solid.

Go Hawks!

Posted by thinkingsbs

8:23 PM, Apr 26, 2008

good list kg, i agree with kev that the de may have to be in the wait to see column because tapp hasnt proved much yet so he needs to be moved there too instead of ruskell success column. i also think letting hamlin go was a blunder but someone else made a good point in saying rusel and grant are better than the old safety tandem but i miss manuel from the sb team.

Posted by lassidawg

9:59 PM, Apr 26, 2008

- Not Franchising Hutch (one of the worst moves in Seattle Sports History)--AGREED
- Signing Shaun at age 30 to a long-term deal, then cutting him two years later (waste of money...)--DOESN'T HURT THAT BAD
- Trading Brach for a 1st Round Pick--WAS A GOOD MOVE AT THE TIME
- Drafting two small average CB's with our first two picks in the last two years (Jennings and Wilson)--THAT IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU ARE PICKING IN THE 20S
- Drafting David Greene with our 1st round pick in 2005! (teribble...)--EVERY TEAM IS PERFECT
- Overpaying Burleson (same contract as Hutch)--NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME CONTRACT
- Holmgren's request for a TE unanswered until now---ONLY FOR 2007
- Today's draft (choosing a DE for your first pick when you already have two starters at that position - Tapp and Kerney)--NEVER CAN HAVE TOO MUCH DEPTH ON THE DL
- Overlooking Kentwan Ballmer (could have picked him and filled a need (DT), instead, he was the next pick to a division rival)--1ST ROUNDER SOME DT IN COLLEGE
- Investing heavily in a defense that still ranked #15 last year. (In 2004, before Ruskell, it was #8)

As was mentioned earlier, I sure wish we could go back to the pre-ruskell era when we didn't make the playoffs every year, because that was sure fun. No pick for any team can be judged good or bad for at least 2 years. Even Mel's top rated players don't work out. 1st and 2nd round pciks are generally overated.

Posted by macdoubter

10:16 PM, Apr 26, 2008

At least I can count on one Seattle team-the Seahawks-running properly and adressing its needs.

Hey Mariners, look next door, see what winners do?

Posted by hawksalltheway

11:02 PM, Apr 26, 2008


PERFECT POST my friend. Maybe Bill Bavasi should take some notes from Ruskell on bringing in quality Free Agents.

Post of the night. Lets face it, we got to stand behind the Hawks, because the Mariners are an average team (Bavasi is a f-ing moron) and the Sonics are probably gone (f clay bennett) so if we make the playoffs everyyear with the Hawks, it gives me that extra week(s) to enjoy Seattle football and so far that is what Ruskell has done since he's been here.

Posted by doug

11:30 PM, Apr 26, 2008

how in christ can some of you defend this draft? we had the worst draft day of any of the teams and it wasnt even close. DE is NOT a need with kerney and tapp being two stars. and carleson? he was the 6th best TE in this draft and we traded a LOT to get him. wow, we r watching as the 9ers and cards continue to pass us up.

Posted by Aaron

12:04 AM, Apr 27, 2008

There is a strategy to draft the player your division leader needs the most to exploit there weaknesses. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, if they felt that Carlson wasn't going to be there at 55, then they probably were right. There is no crystal ball here though. I'm glad they didn't mess around, knew what they needed, went out & got it. Obviously Carlson is of great importance to what they have planned for this upcoming season. I say it was a good day for us. Not as glamorous as others, but they got exactly what they came for.

Posted by Ryan P

12:09 AM, Apr 27, 2008

This might be the most idiotic argument I have ever read! EVERY GM HAS HITS AND MISSES! IF THEY DIDN’T, THE SAME DARN TEAM WOULD WIN THE SUPERBOWL EVERY YEAR! We own our division and will continue that success because of Ruskell and not in spite of him. He has as many championships as our whole cities sports history combined. Please don’t lose sight of where we came from everyone.

With that said…..this has been a smart draft thus far and accomplished what we could at two areas of need.

TE - Everyone who watched USC play loves Davis. But lets face it; Carlson is better suited to help us win now. He is a balanced player that can be on the field in every situation. He’s huge, not slow and has great hands despite what some people have been claiming.

DE – Why do people keep saying we are set at DE? Tapp is a liability against the run, Atkins has promise, but he’s no Lawrence Jackson. Kearny is a stud but is aging. Jackson can rush the passer and has a nice big frame that will give the D-line some versatility.

DT – There wasn’t an impact player available for the Hawks. Balmer is an often injured, one-year wonder. He might turn out to be productive, by why take the risk with that high of a pick. There is plenty of time to get depth at this position and you can bet your savings they will.

This was a good start to what could be an amazing season. Two HIGH character players who both captained the likes of USC and Notre Dame.


Posted by pkim81

12:18 AM, Apr 27, 2008

Doug is obviously smoking something. The 49ers and Cardinals continuing to pass us up? You've gotta be joking me. TE John Carlson ranked 6th? According to who? Kiper? There's a reason why they're in the media and not in the war room. I'm sure the thousands of hours the 'hawks invest in could be saved by just going with what Kiper says. Just like Kiper rated the Cardinals 2005 draft an A. Looking at today, CB Antrel Rolle has been a bust. Along with RB J.J. Arrington, CB Eric Green, and G Elton Brown. Oh wait, Darryl Blackstock, Lance Mitchell and LeRon McCoy are no longer on the roster. Kiper also rated the 49ers pretty high as well. But it looks like QB Alex Smith, yup you guessed it, is a bust as well.

I'll trust Ruskell's decisions any day over you & Kiper's. Tatupu was a steal. Hill has been solid. Spencer is starting to come along and improve. Ray WIllis is a decent backup.

I have faith in DE Lawrence Jackson and TE John Carlson.

Posted by morrisonsghost

1:56 AM, Apr 27, 2008

I was a bit surprised that we drafted Carlson because of his issues with dropping the ball, but Ruskell obviously thinks that he can shake that problem and I trust Ruskell. People who say things like "Ruskell just screwed up another draft!" are simply uniformed about the NFL and the team. Because yeah, you know who really sucks? Lofa Tatupu, Leroy Hill, Darryl Tapp, Brandon Mebane, Chris Spencer, Ryan Plackemeier and Ben Obomanu. All those guys are terrible and Ruskell should be fired immediately for drafting them. Get real, people, and don't open your mouths about things you know nothing about.

My 1st round Pick-by-Pick analysis.

Posted by lwl

5:35 AM, Apr 27, 2008

Ruskell has proven that he knows talent and I trust his decisions. These 2 will help for a long time.

Posted by Gthinks

6:36 AM, Apr 27, 2008

KG - Great post! The original post you made was insightful but what was most valued that you CORRECTED the supposed facts in your posting. Makes it credible and worthy to discuss versus the babbling posts of others.

ptrick - good catch on a few of KG's facts as we all make mistakes tracking the data sheet factors.

As I read the blog I wish to see performance numbers versus general statements that a particular player is better.

As for the TE issue does it matter with Holmgren leaving next year that the West Coast offense might be modified by Mora and Ruskell has privately decided he wants a run oriented attack thus making a blocking tight-end more valuable than a faster TE?

I think Ruskell is planning for life-after-Holmgren and not for 2008-2009 season! Ruskell wants to sustain success not necessarily produce big for 2008-2009 season.

Thus I expect Seahawks will fall short of another goal of championship opportunity. Remember the Seahawks play in the WORST division in the NFL and barely make the playoffs by 1 game each year.

I say the jury is still out on Ruskell due to playing in a weak division but do enjoy KG and ptrick's comments.

Posted by salemdawg

9:30 AM, Apr 27, 2008

Seattle does not play in the worst division in the NFL - New England does and it's not even close. Arizona was 8-8 last year and the Rams were decidmated by injuries.

Buffalo, NY Jets and Miami are much worse than the three in Seattle's divsion.

Also, how can anyone say we DON'T have a need at DE. Ddin't the Hawks lose two DEs in FA?

I trust the Hawks' braintrust over the media.

Posted by dave

11:06 AM, Apr 27, 2008

KJ - horrible post
- Not Franchising Hutch (one of the worst moves in Seattle Sports History) - YES HORRIBLE, NO QUESTION
- Signing Shaun at age 30 to a long-term deal, then cutting him two years later (waste of money...) - HE WAS 28 WHEN HE WAS SIGNED AND COMING OFF MVP SEASON, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN CALLS FOR RUSKELL'S HEAD IF HE DIDN'T RESIGN HIM, 2 INJURED, UNPRODUCTIVE YEARS - NOW HE'S GONE
- Drafting two small average CB's with our first two picks in the last two years (Jennings and Wilson) - CAN'T MAKE THIS CALL YET, TOO SOON
- Drafting David Greene with our 1st round pick in 2005! (teribble...) AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT HE WAS A 3RD
- Overpaying Burleson (same contract as Hutch) AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, BURLESON WILL NOT SEE AS MUCH MONEY AS HUTCH
- Holmgren's request for a TE unanswered until now - PROBABLY
- Today's draft (choosing a DE for your first pick when you already have two starters at that position - Tapp and Kerney) - WAIT AND SEE
- Overlooking Kentwan Ballmer (could have picked him and filled a need (DT), instead, he was the next pick to a division rival) - MAYBE, TOO SOON TO SAY
- Investing heavily in a defense that still ranked #15 last year. (In 2004, before Ruskell, it was #8)

Posted by dave

11:13 AM, Apr 27, 2008

- Investing heavily in a defense that still ranked #15 last year. (In 2004, before Ruskell, it was #8)
2004 - 26TH (IN YPG)
2005 - T 16TH
2006 - 19TH
2007 - 15TH

Posted by HAWKS4EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11:23 AM, Apr 27, 2008

why the bitching? our team is good but we need to get better. we have a squad already! these rookies might not even be an impact but at least we are filling in the holes of the rosters so lets be happy on what we have and enjoy Coach Holmgren last run LETS GO SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by old timer

2:13 PM, Apr 27, 2008

The last time I checked, Fred Davis had more receiving yards than anyone else at USC last season, on a team probably good enough to give LSU a run for their money in the title game, had they made it there. If a tight end can be that productive, the linebackers are going to have to pay pretty close attention, which might be just as effective as being a good blocker.

Posted by salemdawg

3:27 PM, Apr 27, 2008

Get over Fred Davis - he wasn't the highest rated TE on the Hawks board. Just cause Kiper or McShay say a person is "rated higher" doesn't mean actual NFL people believe the same.

I'd say Ruskell and Holmgren have done enough in the past to believe them now...

Sheesh, remember when 7-9, 8-8 were the norm? And playoff losses? And missing the playoffs?

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