Danny O'Neil covers the Seahawks for The Seattle Times.
January 5, 2008 11:26 PM
Posted by Danny O'Neil
Just settled in to start some stats analysis and look through the quotes and I found something quite interesting in Washington's post-game quotes, which were recorded and transcribed by the Seahawks media-relations staff.
Todd Collins' pass to Santana Moss in the fourth quarter, which went up like a punt, came down in Marcus Trufant's hands and ended up in the end zone for the touchdown that in many ways clinched Seattle's victory.
Moss did not react to the pass. At all. He didn't see the ball until Trufant was catching it and the pass was so high that he would have fair caught the sucker as if it was a punt.
Now, some of the explanation was that Rocky Bernard was coming up the middle, knocking Collins down after he released the ball, but most importantly preventing him from stepping into that throw. Did he just wing it? Did Moss run the wrong route. What happened?:
"I never saw it," Moss said. "I never saw it at all."
OK. That was evident. Why didn't he see it?
"I ran a pump route," Moss said. "Before I even pumped the guy and the guy ran off so I came out of my break hoping that the quarterback and I are on the same page."
I take this to mean Moss tried to sell the pattern as if he were going deep, but even before Moss did that, he saw Trufant retreating. Once Moss saw that, he broke to the inside, anticipating Collins would read the coverage the same way. Moss came out of the break looking for a Collins' throw underneath the coverage.
"So I am looking now, thinking it might come line drive to me, which most people might do when they are in that situation," Moss said.
Nope. Nothing. No ball.
"I just thought it was a dead play because I look back and I am not hearing anything or seeing anything," Moss said.
At least he didn't see anything until Trufant settled under the pass.
"At the last minute I see the guy catch the ball like a punt," Moss said.
Now we'll stop at this point to point that Trufant has been in the league five years now. He made the Pro Bowl this season. Moss probably shouldn't call him "the guy" as he did three times in that one answer.
But now let's go to Collins' explanation.
"I didn't really see it," he said. "I was on my back when the ball was in the air."
True enough. Bernard kept him from stepping into the pass. But Collins did not say that's why the ball ended up quacking up there.
"From what I heard, he might have just lost it," Collins said. "He never saw it."
Yep. That's right, too. Moss didn't see it, but that's because the pass wasn't anywhere near where Moss expected it. Someone made a mistake on that read and after hearing both explanations, it's not entirely clear who goofed.
Posted by MILITANT 'HAWK
5:59 AM, Jan 06, 2008
It was their "He hasn't thrown ANY interceptions...blah blah blah...He hasn't thrown ANY interceptions" (repeat ad nauseum) QB who made the mistake on this.
The guy played four games and (somehow) many national media types thought he'd come into Quest and be perfect.
To them I say turn off the damn ESPN and get a clue.
ESPN is like the FOXNews of sports.
Posted by startthemediabiasnow
6:18 AM, Jan 06, 2008
"Rooting for Favre is like rooting for America."
"Brett Favre is going to be 38 October 10th. October 10th should be a national holiday."
"The rebirth of Favre is bad news for Bears fans. But it's great news for football, sports and, when you think about it, life."
"The number one site in football thus far has been Brett Favre running down the field into the arms of his receivers. It's wonderful. America loves that. This team can play. Brett Favre is back. This guy has captured America."
Posted by HAWKSRULEFOREVER!!!
7:53 AM, Jan 06, 2008
To all the stupid lazy sortswriters (you know who you are) who kept spouting off "strength of schedule"...
To all the national media types who desparately wished for a 'Skins win when you are SUPPOSED to be impartial and fair and we are not SUPPOSED to know who you want to win
To those who wrote us off before the game was even played
To those 'Skins fans that could only repeat like automaton drones: " 21...21...21...21..."
To all those who talked about the NFC West is "the worse division balh blah blah"
A BIG COLLECTIVE #$%@ YOU !!!
Posted by C-HawkFan
9:32 AM, Jan 06, 2008
There is definitly a media bias but leave Berman out of it....He has always been on our side and actually picked us to go to the SuperBowl once the playoffs started.
Posted by Go_Hawks
10:28 AM, Jan 06, 2008
Is it possible Moss made the error? Did Collins throw the pass before Moss broke?
It looks like that might have happened since the pass went down the line Moss was running, until he broke it off.
Posted by Joe Lindquist
1:10 PM, Jan 06, 2008
Well, if it wasn't for the interceptions my prediction would have been further off. I said Hawks 33-10. Some of those Skins fans thought it would be the other way around.
Posted by LynnwoodSUx
3:08 PM, Jan 06, 2008
The Packers are going to steamroll the Seahawks. Seahawks havent beaten any good teams this year.
Posted by Cheesehead Eater
3:45 PM, Jan 06, 2008
Have any of you read the Packers blog on the JS? Everyone is talking a bunch of crap at how bad Hasselbeck and the offense is. They are a cocky group of fans that need a nice dose of reality. Seahawks D is better than 38 year old Favre.
Posted by Jeff
6:47 PM, Jan 06, 2008
Bottom Line: Moss took the play off when he didn't think the ball was coming his way. He didn't even bother to look around, he just had his hands on his hips. That's a no-no even if its his QB's fault.
Posted by Packerfan
7:14 PM, Jan 06, 2008
You guys ought to do your homework. In your Next Up piece, it is McCarthy's 2nd season, not third.
Posted by Tony Hawk
7:39 PM, Jan 06, 2008
Screw Seattle Seahawks and their fans!!! Go GREENBAY PACKERS!
Posted by GoPackGo
7:41 PM, Jan 06, 2008
Seahawks D is pretty good, probably about the same as Green Bays. Seahawks rush the passer better, Pack stops the run better. Packers definitely have a better offense, in both passing and running games.
Posted by ape
9:24 PM, Jan 06, 2008
Screw the Seahawk fans you say Tony Hawk, well buck-a-roo,bend over rover, here comes big daddy!
Posted by Tyler Durder
9:35 PM, Jan 06, 2008
How many lombardi trophies have the neon green seahawks won? So keep talking up your D. And baldy with the dinged up thumb. Whenever I have a bad day - I just remind myself of Hasselback's idiot ot sham statement. LOL. What a sham of a franchise. Can't wait for you all to come to Green Bay. And please give Texas their flags and 12th man identity back, its getting a little sad.
Posted by setht
12:54 AM, Jan 07, 2008
First of all do your home work Texas A&M has the 12th man not Texas. Second of all we are the 12th fan!!!
As for your Lombardi trophies...quit living in the past!!!
"We want the ball & were going to score!" -Matt Hasselbeck
Thats the kind of attitude I want in my quarterback. See you on Saturday!
Posted by mancunian
5:00 AM, Jan 07, 2008
I thought Moss was to blame, not for losing the pass that can happen, but for making no effort to get to Trufant once he had the ball.
Posted by txpackfan
1:40 PM, Jan 07, 2008
The Twelfth fan? That's seriously what the fan base calls themselves up there? Are you sure you've got that right? If so, who are the first eleven?
Speaking of living in the past...that Hasselbeck quote is 4 years old, and we know what happened after he said it.
See you Saturday.
Posted by Jeff
2:42 PM, Jan 07, 2008
The team calls it the 12th Fan because they have to. The fans call it the 12th Man.
And would you rather have a QB that went out and said "We want the ball and we're going to score" or a QB that said "We'd like to receive the ball and maybe we'll get some points out of it."
That's right, Matt bought himself a lot of fans out here with his confidence.
Posted by blazers91
5:04 PM, Jan 07, 2008
SethT and Jeff - on its own website the team calls the crowd the Twelfth Man, and has reached agreement to use the phrase, ending the threatened lawsuit from Texas A&M. Not sure where your suggestion that the team is using twelfth fan comes from, but please don't use that name anymore. It makes no sense, to say nothing of being lame.
Posted by Jeff
6:39 PM, Jan 07, 2008
Maybe its just those of us who go to the games who see it. Its displayed as the 12th Fan which is indeed lame. That is why the fans still call it the 12th Man. Just like Westfield Shopping center will always be Southcenter. You can call it what you will, but the public will say it however they please.
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