Hahahaha Bellevues so underated everyone will just have to see

Ok lets see what Bellevue has done so far:

First (and only) tough game: Loss (at home)
Games 2-7: Wins against teams who have a combined 13-29 record. How are they underrated when they have played only 1 good team and lost it. Sammammish 1-6, Mercer Island 1-6, Interlake 1-6? Those are not quality wins and you say that Seamount is bad Kingco is garbage except for Bellevue and Skyline. Mount Si? only wins against Interlake, Sammammish and Garfield. Mount Si is weak. Issaquah? only wins are interlake, sammammish and a terrible (2-5) team in Roosevelt. In my opinion Kingco is one of the worst leagues in the state behind the Olympic and Greater St Helens league. And I dont want to hear about Newport because they have beaten Franklin and the other terrible Kingco teams.
And Bellevue closes out with Ballard? How about Kingco teams play some tough nonleague games like everyone else does. Lets look at the list of nonleague games kingco teams played:
-Roosevelt (2-5)
-Juanita (3-4) LOSS
-Lake Wash (0-7)
-Franklin (2-5)
-Garfield (1-6)
-Eastlake (6-1) LOSS 54-7
-Redmond (3-4) LOSS

The ENTIRE kingco 3A conference has played 1 quality nonleague game and they lost 54-7 in an embarrassment. Bellevue has not been challenged when every other team in the state has had to play at least 2 or 3 tough games so dont say Bellevue is underrated, they dont even belong in the top 10.

Hahaha ok jason i guess your right just wait till state and i will talk to you again maybe then you will relize that bellevues the truth and it will probably be two kingco teams playing eachother for state......so i guess you could say kingcos garbage

I hate to admit this, but I think Wesco South is almost as bad as KingCo. We won't know for sure until the last game of the season, but out of nine teams, four tend to be sleepers; Mountlake Terrace, Shorewood, Lynnwood, and Shorecrest, granted two of those are 3A and two are 4A. Three teams are moderately threatening most years (Jackson, Mariner, and Meadowdale all are very capable of pulling upsets), and then you have the two that sit on top at least of the recent in Kamiak and Edmonds-Woodway. If Kamiak and Edmonds-Woodway only have to play each other and maybe Mariner or Jackson as a threatening game, that looks iffy. Plus, with Kamiak and Ed-Way, the last two years their OOC has been a joke in Marysville-Pilchuck and Monroe. EW and Kam can definitely pick it up in the post season, but as for record wrecking in conference... not really.

How come the Times and Tribune are so inept in covering Prep Sports? Both have Puyallup at 5-2. They are 6-1......for both papers.

to you chuck, sorry to tell you that skyline does not stand a chance against Lakes and Bellevue does not deserve to be on the same field as odea so by my count that equals no kingco teams winning state go irish!

to you chuck, sorry to tell you that skyline does not stand a chance against Lakes and Bellevue does not deserve to be on the same field as odea so by my count that equals no kingco teams winning state go irish!

agree with the comment on O'Dea with one caveat--if they get the same officiating crew that did the Prep and Eastside game, they will lose in a squeaker and have 300 yards in penalties on made up stuff.

Jason and R Dot your posts are to say the least interesting. To say the most, they're just plain stup...er, uninformed. I suspect in part you're reacting to Chuck's boastful and ungrammatical posts. LOL! Having been around Skyline football for a few years, I have to admit that Bellevue fans can be pretty smug and obnoxious, especially when they win so many championships! (They're just lucky Skyline was 4A in 2004 and 2005!) But it sounds to me like you guys have been living in a cave or something.

Kingco is lousy Jason? I have to assume you only mean this year and the jury is still out on that; we'll see in the playoffs. Surely you're not referring to 1999 (Sammamish 2nd in state), 2000 (Skyline champion), 2001 (Bellevue champs, Skyline in semis), 2002 (Bellevue), 2003 (Bellevue champs, Issaquah in semis, Ballard 2nd in 4A), 2004 (Bellevue champs, Skyline 2nd in 4A), 2005 (Skyline 4A champs, Woodinville 2nd) or 2006 (Bellevue, Bothell 2nd in 4A). I mean, it's not THAT lousy conference you're talking about is it?

R Dot, I wouldn't count your chickens yet with Lakes and O'Dea. I can't tell you how much Skyline heard that stuff from Pasco in 2004 and 2005. Ultimately, Lakes and O'Dea will have to prove it on the field. You don't even mention Kamiakin who might be better than either one! What I do expect however is that you'll come back here and eat some crow if and when they're ousted, especially if it's by one of those crummy Kingco teams! :)

Enjoy the postseason, guys!

Who has O'Dea played this year, if people want to talk about weak conferences there is not a weaker FB conference than the Metro conference and I am talking about the last 15-20 years, this is the first year that several teams other than O'Dea have shown a pulse.

Who has O'Dea played this year, if people want to talk about weak conferences there is not a weaker FB conference than the Metro conference and I am talking about the last 15-20 years, this is the first year that several teams other than O'Dea have shown a pulse.

Who has O'Dea played this year, if people want to talk about weak conferences there is not a weaker FB conference than the Metro conference and I am talking about the last 15-20 years, this is the first year that several teams other than O'Dea have shown a pulse.

I'm not talking about the past. Im talking about this year and yes Kingco is garbage this year look at the numbers and records from top to bottom they dont lie

Jason-Have you ever seen any of these Kingco teams you are calling garbage play?? Interlake, Sammamish and Mercer Island would be playoff teams in the Seamount or Metro. Kingco one of the worst leagues in state?? Do some research my friend... (Or just refer to Sven's post above) The 3 and 4 seeds from kingco routinely crush #1 seeds from the G.S.H.L., Seamount and Metro. Don't believe it? Look it up:
http://www.wiaa.com/history/
..and by the way Einstein, the reason kingco has 1 out of league game is beacase they have a 9 team league, and cross over in a random draw with the kingco 4A. Notice you didn't mention Skyline's cross over with Woodinville.
Your ignorance will be shown when a kingco team is crowned state champion for the 6th time in the last 7 years. See you then...

Just to clarify Jason. What you're saying is in the past 6 or 7 years the KingCo league has not been garbage (as evidenced by the State titles) but inexplicably this year the league has gone from being the best to the worst???
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Check back in three weeks Jason!
PLEASE!!!!
: )

look, you can't really criticize any of these teams for playing in weak conferences or weak teams. it's not like college where the ADs look for weaklings to beat up on. these teams can't really affect most of their schedule and they just play who shows up and if they happen to be crummy, all they can do is keep winning and stay undefeated.

just a random question on the rankings...why is it that Skyline and Bellevue are both over the max number of students for 3A (even if just by a little), but still get to play "down" in the 3A division instead of the 4A, where they really belong??

HAHAHA -
JZ says "The #3 and 4 seeds from Kingco "routinely" crush the #1 seeds from Seamount, Metro and GSHL."

That gets the award for most stupid comment of the entire year. ODea is always the #1 from Metro and I can tell you they have NEVER lost to a 3 or 4 seed from kingco. Kennedy as well being the #1 from seamount has never lost to a lw seed from kingco. WOW what a joke of a statement. Routinely? So every year ODea loses to Newport, Issaquah and Liberty? What? Every year Kennedy loses to Mercer Island? HAHAHA wow.

I know it is a 9 team league "Einstein" but at least challenge yourslef and play a team besides Franklin, Garfield, Ballard and the sisters of the seattle schools.

You say "Interlake (1-6) Sammammish (1-6)and MI (1-6) would beat out ODea and Eastside in metro and Kennedy and Evergreen in Seamount this year? WOW never mind that is the most stupid comment of the year.

Mickey- You Kingco fans really dont know how to read do you? Have you seen the records of the teams in your conference? Sammammish, Mercer Island and Interlake are a combined 3-18. Wow. Mount Si, Issaquah and Liberty are all terrible as well with poor records. Newport is decent at best. That leaves 2 teams in the entire league.

By the way I guarantee Skyline loses in the first round and Bellevue loses in the second round. Thats a guarantee and you guys will look stupid.
-By the way Im still laughig at JZ, wow that was a priceless post by another intelligent Kingco fan

Jason:"...Sammamish,Mercer Island and Interlake are a combined 3-18" UHHHH as compared to the bottom 3 teams in ANY other league?? The Kingco teams' past playoff results speak for themselves, and are a good bet to be in the finals this year as well.

Now Now Jason. Go back and read the post above again. Where does it say Interlake M.I. and Sammamish would beat O'Dea, E.C., Kennedy or Evergreen? What it DOES say is that these teams would be playoff teams in the Seamount or Metro. In other words, they would beat out the Mt. Rainiers, Lindberghs, West Seattles Nathan Hales and other weak teams that get into the playoffs and get blown out every year. As for the out of league schedule, what word threw you off? random? draw? kingco 4A? Read carefully: For the last 2 years the kingco 3A and 4A agreed to cross over for their out of league game. This was done by random draw. The teams did not get to choose who they played against. In case you forgot, in '04 and '05 when the teams DID get to choose, Bellevue played (and beat ) DeLa Salle and Long Beach Poly. Oh yeah I forgot, Bellevue's garbage.
Can you answer a few questions? How did Kennedy fare in their out of league games this season?
What powerhouses did Evergreen play for their out of league games? Who did O'Dea play? Have you actually seen any of these teams you are calling 'garbage' play?
Finally: "...By the way I guarantee Skyline loses in the first round and Bellevue loses in the second round. Thats a guarantee and you guys will look stupid." THAT my friend will win your "most stupid comment of the year" award.
Keep on dreamin' J.....
CYA

the truth is that most of of the 3a leagues have elite teams and the rest of the league is weak for a variety of reasons instability at coaching lack of support lack of coaching ...that includes kingco, seamount, metro, and lakes 's league...but i willl put money on skyline...they will beat lakes in the first round if it ends up that way in the brackets...better coached team and much more physical team than lakes is

HAHAHA you guys are jokes Bellevue is going to go all the way and skyline will probably be playing bellevue for state odea needs to stick with basketball even though bellevue will beat them this year but im sorry kingcos going to have the best team you guys can hate on us every year and what happens WE WIN STATE..........what can i say im sorry

Well there seems to be some passion in this thread! I guess I agree with Mark; regardless of what you think about who plays whom out of league, its not something you can really criticize the schools for. Sometimes they just don't get the option, such as Kingco 3A playing random 4A crossovers. Likewise, it makes no sense for anybody to refer to HS football teams as "lousy," "garbage," etc on a forum like this. This isn't the NFL. These are high school kids who go out every week and in general, play for their neighborhood schools for the fun of it, for community pride, and for the educational opportunities they get in being part of a team. The fact that some don't win as much and others are really successful has to do with so many factors such as coaching, availability of youth leagues, school size, even tradition. Typically, their fortunes rise and fall from one year to the next.

In recent years, it so happens that Kingco teams have had a run of success. It could be we'll see that again. I would never guarantee any win, though (listening, Jason?). The main reason for that is there have been too many teams in the past who have been low seeds and gone deep, beating teams with superior talent, sometimes purely on heart. Especially, you can't take two really good teams like Lakes and Skyline, or O'Dea and Evergreen, or Bellevue and Kamiakin and guarantee anything other than it's unpredictability; if they actually play. All of them need to keep winning. We'll see what happens during crossovers.

I do see on the bracket by they way, that Lakes will play the #3 Kingco team in the crossover, meaning Newport or Bellevue (depending on who wins that game on Friday). If Lakes wins that, and Skyline wins their crossover, then you have Lakes v. Skyline in the first round. So we'll get an early indication on your theories about Kingco early on, even though it says more about individual teams than leagues.

Jason,

You sound like a 12 year old. Grow up and act like an adult - unless you are in fact a 12 yr. old.

You guys are all high and crazy Granite Falls is the best team ever

All the 4a and 3a schools suck. 2a is the best class in this whole country. Burlington-Edison sucks but they are good. Even though Kings is 1a, they still can beat any 3a or 4a team out there. The Lakewood Cougars have the best defense in the state. Even though Archbishop ran all over them. Archbishop is way overratted. They pay their coaches and players.South Widbey is going to cream Cedarcrest at least 150-0. I hope that all the cedarcrest team gets herpes and has to forfeit the game. But i still think S. Widby will win by at least 30000 points. Take that Milo and jason. I win you suck.

South Whidbey won't win by 30,000? But they will win.

You are high dude. South Widbey is going to get killed just like last year at theor homecoming. I was at that game and the greatest running back ever ran there. Brady Paxman is the best running back in that league. 270 yard and 5 tds against lakewood. Every game he ran over 100 yards except for 1 game. So beat that freud.what kind of name is that?

Very original Milo that one really hurt.

JZ- So youre denying that you said:
"The 3 and 4 seeds from kingco routinely crush #1 seeds from the G.S.H.L., Seamount and Metro."
-I copied and pasted right from your thread dude. You cant deny saying that and you have to admit that you just made that up because it si not true. Very funny yes but true? I dont think its even close.

Why don't you check back in the state tournament records and prove me wrong. Tell me how many times #1 seeds from those leaugues have been knocked out by kingco teams... Now how about answering those questions I asked at the bottom of the last post. BTW- if you are 12 year old, sorry I didn't know...and shouldn't you be in school?

Sven,
You are right on the mark, I agree with everthing your posted above, however O'Dea undeniably has advantages that public schools do not have. Year in and year out they have the best collection of talent in the state and should win every year, but don't. Why not? I quess that further proves your point of unpredictability...

some people think skyline is going to lose to woodinville, but they won 5 out of 5 games against them. This is their 6th.

Seamhead,
No question on the advantages that O'Dea has, but there are disadvantages that the public schools don't have to hassle with--O'Dea doesn't have a practice facility at their school, they have to bus to practice and back, their locker room is TINY, most of their kids have a long way to commute back and forth from school, etc. Besides all the other private schools in its league have the same advantages, but not the same track record, so they must be doing something right. Go Irish.

What you said was the #3 and #4 seeds ROUTINELY CRUSH Metro's #1 and Seamounts #1. That has NEVER happened. Its one thing to say that the #1 Kingco team beat #1 Metro teams but you cant even say crushed because the only times ODea has played the #1 seed from Kingco the scores were 21-7 Bellevue and 17-12 Bellevue. That is not crushed at all and that is not even the #3 or #4 seeds that is the #1 seed barley beating ODea so that comment is so ridiculous it is funny.

I just can't wait til the crossover games in a couple of weeks when the teams from the NWC once again dominate teams from the Cascade league. You have one credible team and that is Archbishop. I will right now bet any South Whidbey fan my paycheck that you will lose to the 3rd place team from the NWC when the time comes. It is a joke that either SW or Cedarcrest are in the top ten. South Whidby hasn't been in the p.o. for awhile, but Cedarcrest knows very well what to expect when they travel to Lynden in a couple of weeks as they have found out against Burlington the past two seasons. Who has SW played to be undefeated? Absolutely nobody!

Kevin

Ok JZ how about last yeas tourney?

2006: Seamount #1 Kennedy 61
Skyline 20
Metro #1 ODea no games against kingco

Look again Jason....up until last season both Kingco and Metro were seeded out of District 2 into the First round...What seed was Sammamish when they knocked off O'Dea at Memorial Stadium? How about Bellevue when they Anhialated Kennedy at Highline? or Skyline when they blew out Evergreen also at Highline? Look it up J!
How about answering the questions above about THIS season's out of league schedules for Kennedy, Evergreen and O'Dea????
That's what I thought.
Peace.

To answer youre question there is no way Sammammish would beat Nathan Hale or West Seattle (those are the other metro playoff teams that you said would lose to sammammish). I cant believe you said that, Sammammish and Interlake are probably two of the worst 2 worst teams in 3A they are horrible.
-How convienent that no Kingco 3A team was matched up with Bothell or Inglemoor funny how that works.
-Kennedy played 2 top teams from California and Las Vegas and they were toe to toe with the team from cali but at least they played a good team and not Franklin and Garfield (what a joke).
-Evergreen played Nathan Hale who is a much better team than all those kingco 4A teams except for Eastlake and Woodinville.
-ODea played a very good team in Vancouver College (winning record) and I know for a fact that they put D1 players out to very good programs routinely. They are the Fighting Irish all boys school in BC.
-And finally yes I have seen Sammammish and Mount Si play and they are both terrible. Skyline is good and Bellevue is good (Newport decent) but the rest of the conference is garbage

You think that the year Bellevue beat Kennedy and Sammammish beat ODea they were the #3 and #4 seeds from Kingco? They were the #1 seeds you said the #3 and #4 seeds from Kingco that means the 3rd and 4th best teams in Kingco smart guy not the kingco champion im not talking about bellevue im talking baout the other kingco teams

So Hale will only get blown out by 40 instead of 51 in round 1? No mention of Sumner and Enumclaw huh? In week 10 all of the non-playoff Kingco and Metro teams cross over. Last year I believe it was a 6 for 6 Kingco sweep. Even 0-9 Interlake got a win.
Peace bro.
See you back in a few weeks.
I'll cook up the crow...

Sammamish was not a number 1 seed that year. ('99?) Bellevue was the number 1 seed and hosted Ferndale. Bellevue was not a number 1 seed the year they spanked Kennedy ('01?) or that game would have been played at Bellevue. Get your Facts straight.

Whoever mentioned Kings as being a legitimate football program, you're only on here to make people snort into their coffee. Kings has won what? One game. Very funny. Maybe in basketball they might be able to compete with a 2A or 3A team, but a 4A team is still iffy. Their players play pick up games with Edmonds-Woodway players all the time and the majority know and respect that it's good they play 1A. There have been players that switch from Ed-Way to Kings just so they can play varsity hoops (the example I'm thinking of didn't make our varsity sophomore year, so they switched to Kings for junior year). There's so much pointless crap on this site... I'm not sure what's worse; grown men caring about high school sports, or the level of unintelligence among high school students.

Grace, agree with your points, but what is wrong with grown men caring about high school sports? It is sport at it's purest before $$$ become too involved.

Kevin

As an outsider being neither a fan of any Kingco or Metro teams I have to say it is a no brainer that the Kingco is far more superior top to bottom. Yes, Odea is an outstanding state, regardless of classification, power year in and out. But, in football with the exception of Rainier Beach once in awhile the rest of the Metro is cannon fodder for 4A - 1A teams. Someone mentioned West Seattle & Nathan Hale..Pleeaasse! Nathan Hale lost to a very average 2A Mark Morris & West Seattle was shut out by the same Nathan Hale. West Seattle lost to Blanchet who could not beat a Mount Vernon team in the middle of the pack of a 1A, 2A & 3A league. It's Kingco over Metro hands down. Actually I would put any league in the state up against the Metro when it comes to top to bottom. Get past Odea and possibly East Side Catholic this year and it's over.

Kevin

Don- The only reason Bellevue was the #2 seed was becuase every year Metro and Kingco switch seeds of who is number one. One year Metro #1 is the district #1 and the next year Kingco #1 is the number one. I said that Bellevue was the #1 Kingco seed not the #1 district seed there is a difference so I suggest you get your facts straight.

supposedly skyline is going to face lakes in the playoffs right off the bat (assuming no upsets). can someone explain why they matchup the best two 3A teams against each other before the tacoma dome games???!?!?! whoever wins that pretty much is gonna take state easy...

supposedly skyline is going to face lakes in the playoffs right off the bat (assuming no upsets). can someone explain why they matchup the best two 3A teams against each other before the tacoma dome games???!?!?! whoever wins that pretty much is gonna take state easy...

supposedly skyline is going to face lakes in the playoffs right off the bat (assuming no upsets). can someone explain why they matchup the best two 3A teams against each other before the tacoma dome games???!?!?! whoever wins that pretty much is gonna take state easy...

Very true Kev, but when they get into ridiculous arguments about it, instead of being for the most part un-biased. I could under stand your son/daughter going to and/or playing for a school and being kind of like 'well this is good because of this and this and this' but not really being all soccer mom about it. No offense to soccer moms that can keep their emotions in check, everywhere.

kyle whoever wins the lakes skyline game is not going to take state easy odea and bellevue are just as good if not better then lakes or skyline

Jason is stupid because he says Interlake and Sammamish are the worst teams in 3A, but they've both won a game. You shouldn't exaggerate and assume so much.

Bellevue is not better than Skyline. You are living in the past!

Hey jason do you watch any kinco games lately?
Skyline is arguably the top team in the state... They are physical, have great team speed, and oh I forgot to mention one of the most dominating defenses in state history!!! Bellevue and Newport have only lost to Skyline and these two teams could definatly have a chance of going deep into the playoffs.
Jason honestly get off you point about Sammamish, Interlake, and MI they are at the bottom of Kingco..... Thats really impressive that Odea could beat up on these three teams ( NOT!)
I cant wait till playoffs start and you look like a complete idiot!

Hey jason do you watch any kinco games lately?
Skyline is arguably the top team in the state... They are physical, have great team speed, and oh I forgot to mention one of the most dominating defenses in state history!!! Bellevue and Newport have only lost to Skyline and these two teams could definatly have a chance of going deep into the playoffs.
Jason honestly get off you point about Sammamish, Interlake, and MI they are at the bottom of Kingco..... Thats really impressive that Odea could beat up on these three teams ( NOT!)
I cant wait till playoffs start and you look like a complete idiot!

Hey jason do you watch any kinco games lately?
Skyline is arguably the top team in the state... They are physical, have great team speed, and oh I forgot to mention one of the most dominating defenses in state history!!! Bellevue and Newport have only lost to Skyline and these two teams could definatly have a chance of going deep into the playoffs.
Jason honestly get off you point about Sammamish, Interlake, and MI they are at the bottom of Kingco..... Thats really impressive that Odea could beat up on these three teams ( NOT!)
I cant wait till playoffs start and you look like a complete idiot!

Jason- The one fact I did not have straight was the year. '02 was the year Bellevue spanked Kennedy at Highline. Skyline was the # 1 seed out of Kingco that year and hosted Black Hills in the first round. In '99 Bellevue was the #1 seed and hosted Ferndale, Sammamish #2. Looking back through those records, The Irish have not had alot of success vs. lower seed kingco teams.

you guys all sound like a bunch of little kids. Sure, the metro league is not that great but O'Dea is one of the best teams in the state (see rankings) and Eastside Catholic is at least respectable. Just because the metro league is weak does not mean O'Dea isnt going to run the table in the playoffs GO IRISH
btw- johri fogerson is the best back in the state.

O btw, you say O'Dea should win every single year with the talent they have, how about bellevues kids playing together since their like 7 years old and their coach whos paid like $50000 under the table every year from boosters...

I'm not a Bellevue or Skyline fan but I had to respond to the comment that suggested they were actually 4A schools playing down. Not true at all. When the WIAA did the last reclass before last season they eliminated classification by flat enrollment figures. Rather, the top 17% by enrollment are 4A, the next 17% are 3A, etc. Bellevue and Skyline happen to be the top 2 schools in 3A -- they were the next two schools by enrollment after the first 17%. Anyone can go to the WIAA website and check out the enrollment figures. I'd speculate that Skyline will be back in 4A next time around given the growth on the Sammamish plateau.

Skyline will be moving back up to 4A next year.