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August 17, 2008 10:32 AM

Game thread, Mariners vs. Twins, 8-17

Posted by Larry Stone


UPDATE 1:04 P.M. The Mariners made it a little less hideous in the sixth with three home runs, cutting the Twins' lead in half to 8-4 (Justin Morneau just made it 9-4 with a home run as I was typing this). Amazingly, the back-to-back home runs by Balentien and Johjima were just the second back-to-backers by the M;s this season.

Jason Kubel just got his fourth hit of the game, a double. He's officially a Mariner-killer. He is now 13-for-18 against them this season.


UPDATE 12:38 P.M. Well, Dickey just tied a major-league record with his four wild pitches in one inning. It's been done five times, most recently by Ryan Madsen of the Phillies in 2006. No chance for No. 5, however. Dickey is out of the game. This game is hideous.

UPDATE 12:08 P.M. Feierabend is out of the game after three innings. He wouldn't have made it out of the third if Adam Everett hadn't run into the third out trying to stretch a single. Feierabend's pitching line is ugly: 3 ip, 10 h, 6 r, 6 er, 1 BB, 1 SO. Ouch.

R.A. Dickey and his rubber arm is in the game.

UPDATE 11:33 A.M.: OK, so maybe he's still not ready. The Twins blasted Feierabend for five runs in the first inning, with five hits -- three of them doubles. What struck me is that his fastballs were coming in at 85, 86, which seems well below what I remember from Feierabend. Dickey was warming up halfway through the inning, not a good sign.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ryan Feierabend pitch today. If he can show something down the stretch, he should be a viable rotation candidate for next year. I think a lot of people wrote Feierabend off too early because he has struggled at the big league level, but he was awfully young. Feierabend turns 23 next week; he was starting games for the Mariners at age 21, when he just wasn't ready. There's not too many Felix Hernandezes. Perhaps now he's ready. If so, I'll have to work hard learning to type the name "Feierabend," which I find exceedingly difficult, for some reason. I have to almost do it with one finger every time to make sure I get it right, which isn't good on deadline. There's a little inside journalism for you.

Meanwhile, guess who's back in the rotation? Why, R.A. Dickey, who was taken out to make room for Feierabend. Now that Carlos Silva is on the disabled list, Dickey is back in Silva's spot and will likely start Wednesday against the White Sox. For the time being, anyway. Brandon Morrow isn't too far from coming back up to start. In case you didn't see, Morrow worked 3 2/3 innings last night for Tacoma against Sacramento (61 pitches, 39 stirkes). He gave up three hits, two runs, struck out five and walked two. Morrow probably has two or three more minor-league starts to make before he's ready.

Then there's Erik Bedard, who threw on the side today for the third straight day. The Mariners hope he'll be ready to throw off a mound by the time the team returns home next weekend, followed by simulated games. If all goes well, they'd like Bedard to make some starts in September, too. And Riggleman thinks Silva will be back in a couple of weeks, too. The rotation could be awfully crowded in September -- Felix, Washburn, Silva, Rowland-Smith, Feierabend, Morrow and Bedard may all be in the picture. We'll see how they sort it all out.

Lineups

Mariners

Ichiro RF
Miguel Cairo 3B
Raul Ibanez LF
Adrian Beltre DH
Jose Lopez 2B
Wladimir Balentien CF
Kenji Johjima C
Bryan LaHair 1B
Yuniesky Betancourt SS
Ryan Feierabend P

Twins

Denard Span CF
Nick Punto 2B
Joe Mauer C
Justin Morneau 1B
Delmon Young LF
Jason Kubel RF
Randy Ruiz DH
Brendan Harris 3B
Adam Everett SS
Glen Perkins P

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Posted by Last is First

10:54 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Any chance of us getting Sexson and Vidro back? We need that first pick!

Posted by Eburg T

11:00 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Why the fuck do they insist on hitting Miguel Cairo second? So he can just GIDP while Ichiro is on base and the season gets over that much faster?

Posted by Geoff

11:08 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Larry,

Yes, have a good time typing Feierabend ... It takes a while to learn the spelling and be able to type it with one.

I know first hand .. My dad is a sports writer for Ryan's hometown in Ohio ... He said that all of the writers had a difficult time when he first started pitching.

I wish Ryan the best of luck today!!

Posted by Geoff

11:10 AM, Aug 17, 2008

And, I can't type!

My second sentence should have said,

I takes a while to learn the spelling and be able to type it with two hands.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

11:17 AM, Aug 17, 2008

The Jonah is an easy out!

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

11:20 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Talk about slow of foot defense, come on Raul.

Posted by ragarm

11:20 AM, Aug 17, 2008

We wish Ryan good luck today. Do you think the lineup today puts him behind the eight ball from the start? Cairo is a real dynamo batting second. Beltre is a power hitter who just went down on a tapper to the infield. Johjima has reportedly had difficulty communicating with the veteran pitchers, so Ryan must have a little Japanese language in his background. Yuni and Jose are proven defenders helping out all our pitchers.

Let's hope for a no-hitter.

Ooops. first Twin, first hit. OOops, Punto hits a double. Can't watch anymore. Going to the park and play tennis.

Posted by downonstrikes

11:26 AM, Aug 17, 2008

What's so hard about typing Feierabend? Seems to go easily on my keyboard.

Mel is out to calm down the kid. This has worked really well with Batista, Silva, Washburn, Putz, Green, and Bedard. I'm sure Mel has the calming influence to get Feierabend at ease.

Mel's advice didn't help, the Twins just drove in a run and the bases remain loaded. No outs.

Should we lump the coaches into the same dismal pot of incompetence that Lincoln, Armstrong, Lee, Wiggleworm, and Bavasi cook in?

Posted by Sounders

11:30 AM, Aug 17, 2008

News Flash:

Dateline Seattle. Mariners interim General Manager Lee Pelekoudas has been arrested at The Pike Place Market for allegedly trying to steal a Copper River Salmon.

While being taken into custody Pelekoudas stated "Someone threw my the fish. I heard shouting. I thought they were saying "Run! Run!"

Posted by downonstrikes

11:31 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Five nothing and still just one out. I'm afraid we should all join Ragarm at the park and watch the dogs poop. That is definitely more interesting than watching this flawed and defective product.

Larry, hop on a jet and fly to Japan, interview ownership, give us a report that explains this fiasco. Why don't we hear a thing from the owner of this team that is sinking? Sunk, excuse me.

Posted by Joe

11:35 AM, Aug 17, 2008

downonstrikes,

I am sure that they mean that it is not hard to type, it is remembering the spelling of his last name.

Posted by eyes on the Prize

11:38 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Washington leads Colorado 1 - 0 in the fourth, with the M's down five zero, it is a another quality start in the Strasburg sweepstakes. Go win Nationals! Go win Padres! And you know what is needed M's

Posted by Sounders

11:42 AM, Aug 17, 2008

"Brilliant!" he said. "Indeed," said the other, "Brilliant!!"

Posted by ragarm

11:45 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Seattle:

Mariners: 46 wins soon to be 77 loses
Microsoft : Vista that nobody wants, bring back XP
Boeing: Tanker team loses contract
Starbucks: Closes over 600 stores
Washington Mutual: stock at $4.55 per share
Safeco Insurance: Bought by Liberty Mutual
Hale's Ales: A beer that will gag you

There seems to be a trend here. Why are we criticizing the Mariners of Seattle when there seems to be a disease of mediocrity infecting all of Seattle.

For once I'm happy to be living on the eastside of the state where fugitives, rednecks, right wingers, Stephen Colbert's #1 threat (bears!), and clear cut forests predominate. Very preferable to what's going on in Seattle.

Posted by NoRm

11:52 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Amen to that Ragarm the bears are pretty thick out this year!

Posted by downonstrikes

11:55 AM, Aug 17, 2008

Just Googled Mr. Yamauchi, our proud M's owner and here's what I got:

As of 2008, Yamauchi is the richest man in Japan and 149th richest person in the world, having a net worth of approximately $7.8 billion.

And we worry about Washburn's puny salary, or Silva's 8,250,000 earnings in 2008. Small change to Mr. Yamauchi.

Please Mr. Yamauchi, write off the M's as a business loss and start again with a whole new team in management and on the field. Money should buy us a better product than this, sir.

Posted by eyes on the Prize

12:00 PM, Aug 17, 2008

We need this L, the Nationals are now losing 3 - 0 at the end of four. There can be no substitute for defeat today, worst record is best future.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

12:04 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Other than power, there is very little drop off at third today. The Jonah pops up again.

Posted by mr mariner

12:14 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Hope that Erika Boo Boo Bedard is well enough to pitch a game or two in September....and then be traded in the off-season for any type of prospect.

Are we stuck with Silva, Batista and Washburn for next season? This is an awful pitching rotation assembled by Conehead.

It's going to be tough to catch the Nationals for the worst record. They are beyond awful.

Posted by eyes on the Prize

12:19 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Nats rally, Colorado leads 3 - 2 at end of five. Remember the Nats swept the M's earlier, so who is really beyond awful? Lets get that worst record and hold on for the prize. Worst is best.

Posted by downonstrikes

12:23 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Love that reverse thinking, eyes on the prize

Posted by downonstrikes

12:26 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Wow, I just read on ESPN Stats that Carlos weighs in at 245. That's my fighting weight!

Posted by doug

12:32 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Erica bedard is actually our worst pitcher. he sucked dix when healthy and is taking an anal pounding on the DL by silva

Posted by someone else

12:37 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Often I really appreciate what you say doug, but when you go vulgar and use this sexual innuendo I just lose all confidence in you. You can do better.

Posted by downonstrikes

12:39 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Ha, Ha doug,

glad this blog isn't moderated on a Sunday. Poor Eric. A buffalo and a poodle. Funny visual that you paint.

Posted by ragarm

12:41 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Most wild pitches in an inning! A major record! Our team is finally making the record book. And we are only down 8-0. Oh, the bases are loaded.

Posted by someone

12:45 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Eric "the French Poodle" Bedard meets Carlos "el buffalo" Silva, it has something of a bad scifi ring to it - I am loving it.

Posted by headliner

12:46 PM, Aug 17, 2008

stop bringing up minor leaguers........send the entire team down to minors.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

12:52 PM, Aug 17, 2008

The Jonah is back up to .259 maybe his luck is changing - oh but where is that albatross?

Posted by Last is First

12:53 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Posted by George Orwell

12:55 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Come on, make an effort Washington, the Mariners really are trying. Worst is best! Eyes on the Prize!

Posted by CheapSeats

12:57 PM, Aug 17, 2008

And, I thought...

As a Japanese man owning a company you would have pride in running a successful company. Let alone, baseball in Japan is huge and winning is priority.

I guess saving face is now completely and understatement.

From the ownership down, this organization has zero pride in itself.

And, to believe some of you actually think Riggy is a good manager.

I'm embarrassed to be a Ms fan.

When is the official bag day?

Posted by wag the dog

1:04 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Worst means first!

Unfortunately, most of the guys contributing to this stinkfest will be back next year and not even the first pick of the draft is going to do much to change that.

I'm not watching the game so maybe someone can fill me in, is RA Dickey just throwing the ball all over the field, or do the Mariners just not have a catcher who can handle a knuckleballer. Sometimes a wild pitch is something that would have been nothing in the hands of a better receiver.

Posted by downonstrikes

1:49 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Yuni got a walk!

It's the end of the world as we know it!

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

2:01 PM, Aug 17, 2008

The Jonah with the bases loaded and the game on the line, what do you expect?

Posted by Doug

2:01 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Low and away, Beltre is, simply put, the EASIEST out in MLB.

Posted by ragarm

2:04 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Hey Doug,
Adrian is our DH, clean up hitter. Wiggleworm put him there because of his power and reliability.

How dare you say he's easy! Ha!

Posted by Doug

2:10 PM, Aug 17, 2008

as i said. EASIEST out in MLB and it really isnt that close. Low and away. No other player swings at that so readily in my entire life watching MLB

Posted by Sounders

2:13 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Cheap Seats:

I think Baghead Day lost momentum because fans realized that for us Every Day is Baghead Day!!!!

I think the fans realized that even going to the park with a bag would be putting money in those scumbag's pockets.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

2:14 PM, Aug 17, 2008

The stat geeks tell us that Beltre is the greatest third baseman in the league, bar none. So he is just unlucky and there is no such thing as clutch hitting, these people are living disembodied lives in their moms basement. Bad luck = Jonah = Beltre!

Posted by Sounders

2:16 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Beltre's about as clutch as a wet paper bag.

He needs to go along with the other losers

Posted by doug

2:17 PM, Aug 17, 2008

those stat geeks are stupid. Beltre is among the worst 3b and PLAYERS in the league. Tony pena jr was more clutch than this ass clown.

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

2:18 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Looks like the Nationals, with a 10-game losing streak, are informally tanking the season with an eye towards Strasburg. Seeing the article in today's Seattle Times, there is a major drop-off after Strasburg with the NC college pitcher probably being second best. Even with this team losing so much, we can't even do it right!

I think the fans need to organize a Baghead Day for Fan Appreciation Night on Friday, 9/26. If Armstrong is to be booted as club president, it needs to be done within a week of season's end> If Armstrong remains in his role, we are likely to have a second-rate GM or maybe the status quo with the over-his-head Lee P. - whoever the GM is would also affect who the field manager will be for 2009 and on down.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

2:18 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Do you think JJ Putz could get any better? Talent at closer, where is Morrow? Fields?

Posted by wag the dog

2:24 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Beltre can't hit, but his defense is stellar and I don't see any better hitting 3rd baseman beating a path to the Mariner doorstep. It would be nice to get some power (and better average) out of your corner infielders, but I think the real problem with the Mariners is that they're not getting power from anywhere, not just that they're not getting power from Beltre. In a better lineup, Beltre's (lack of) hitting would be acceptable.

If your leftfield defense is going to be as bad as it is with Ibanez, the guy should at least be a masher. Ibanez should DH, give someone with younger legs a chance. Ichiro could be playing center, thus opening up a spot for a masher in right. First base isn't a premium defensive position yet the Mariners manage to trot a string of guys out there who can't field AND can't hit.

There's a lot more troubles with this offense than Beltre.

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

2:27 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Capt. Poopy thinks that any sp is more valuable to a team than a closer. He must be on his boat to nowhere today as I haven't seen him post. I think Morrow is a Papelbon -type closer and a team needs that kind of guy to shut the door; look what Nathan did in the 8th to kill the M's rally.

Does anyone know how long JJ's multi-year contract runs? If he can't regain control of his splitter, he's basically dead-money in 2009 along with Silva, Batista, and Joh. I'm just hoping JJ's contract doesn't extend beyond 2009.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

2:27 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Bektre = Jonah

Disgusting loser when at the plate with risp. Nothing more to say.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

2:33 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Captain Poopy the name speaks for itself, anyone who would chose that call name is an absolute retard. Mprrow should be groomed as closer, he doesn't have the pitch selection to be a starter - plus five era in Tacoma.

Posted by George Orwell

2:37 PM, Aug 17, 2008

The Nats are holding tight to that worst record, when do they play the Padres again? We need to get the worst record and hold on - worst is best, best is last.

Posted by Mr. X

2:39 PM, Aug 17, 2008

That makes Ichiro .244 with Risp this year. Not as bad as the "unlucky" Beltre, but still pathetic. 17 million doesn't buy what it used to.

Posted by ragarm

2:41 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Rick Rizz still sounds so upbeat and positive. Does his paycheck come directly from Chuck Armstrong? It is repulsive. We lost again. Again.

Sixteen hits and this team can't win. Nathan struggles and the M's still lose.

Our great hope for the future #369, Ryan Feierabend, is looking like one of the boys.

No pie in the face for this baby M. Save your arm JJ, no need to pull the prank today.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

2:42 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Someone spoke about Armstrong and his dismissal, who do you suppose Lincoln's would name to replace him? How about Edgar, someone who defines clutch and understands baseball. Make it worthwhile for Edgar as team President.

Posted by Doug

2:45 PM, Aug 17, 2008

He is the worst "star" in the league. Id rather have randy winn.

Posted by Falling Star

2:50 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Ichiro's star is falling, not likely to get two hundred hits this year. A flameout in process, it was evident in spring training. Remember all that McLaren talk about Ichiro and his hits, ugh! Loser beget losers.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

2:58 PM, Aug 17, 2008

All the stat head geeks will show up now that the game is over - imagine their defense of Beltre, Putz and Ichiro. Are these guys associated with the team in some way? Such a bunch of whiners and empty headed dolts.

Posted by mr mariner

3:22 PM, Aug 17, 2008

This game got to be too painful to watch. Nice belated comeback for the Mariners, but as usual they came up short.

Watched the last inning and some of the postgame show on FSN. The new anchor----Nicole Bazookas or something like that----is OK to watch.

Posted by Jack

3:27 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Intelligent folks around here today. Jesus.

Posted by go jack

3:30 PM, Aug 17, 2008

off to jesus

Posted by Dave, from the capital of baseball mediocrity

3:49 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Well, I guess Fearabend didn't do too well today. I tuned in late, so I didn't get to see Fierabend pitch. Maybe Feeruhbende isn't as great as everyone thot? Well, maybe next year Feiruhbend will be better. And, what was the last at-bat of this game? Ichiro, first-pitch swinging, dinking another fungo grounder to the infield. With the bases loaded. Where's all this batting-practice power that Ichiro is supposed to have? Maybe Ichi should hit singles during BP and save his strength for the game.

Posted by Hey Dave

3:54 PM, Aug 17, 2008

When did the M's become mediocre? They are nowhere near middling, they have the worst record in the AL, that's not mediocre that's bad.

Posted by The Ancient Mariner

4:04 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Ichiro was, in fact, on the 2001 team that won a record 116 games, so WSUx3 your statement is not exactly correct. However, he is on the decline and he does have a prima donna attitude. It was clear in spring training that he was not the same hitter as in years past, so the M's may have waited too long to deal him. Still they need to trade him as part of the team rebuild.

Posted by Bahhhh

4:06 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Hey, HEY DAVE...I was trying to be nice, gracious, tactful, diplomatic...oh, the hell with it...

Posted by No Bahhh

4:10 PM, Aug 17, 2008

You were evaluating with the wrong assessment, mediocre denotes moderate and no one can say that the M's are a middle level team. They are far worse than mediocre.

Posted by ragarm

4:11 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Jack at 3:27 became so desperate for a win he called on the name of Jesus. Jesus was posting here yesterday, but I think he was unable to do a miracle today, for the the first time ever! Even the M's are beyond the heavenly ones.

Posted by Go jack

4:15 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Jesus went home in disgust after watching this team.

Posted by Sounders

4:19 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Ugly. Disgusting. Shhlock. Smegma. Scum. Mess. Hideous. Horrifying. Bad. Bogus. Terrible. Half-Assed. Wimpy. Weak. Puke-O-Rama.

Posted by Strive for mediocrity?

4:24 PM, Aug 17, 2008

"Mediocre denotes moderate"? Sounds like I'm going to have to raise my standards? Lower my standards? Maybe the M's are the BEST mediocre team ever? (If 'best mediocre' means worst of the mediocre?) I'm getting really mixed up here. I do know I don't listen to the M's post-game show anymore. It's more fun to save up all the grips and put them here. We can read these posts and savor them and marvel at how awful the M's are. This is truly a historic season. Historically mediocre, that is. Wait...historically (something worse than mediocre)...okay, I'll stop now.

Posted by tom

4:25 PM, Aug 17, 2008

Bon jovi is a better athlete than ichiro

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