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August 18, 2008 4:45 PM

Game thread, Mariners vs. White Sox, 8-18

Posted by Larry Stone

Seeing Mark Buehrle in the lineup reminds me of one of my favorite games I ever covered, right here at U.S. Cellular in 2005. It was Mark Buehrle against Ryan Franklin, a Saturday day game, and it was over in 1 hour and 39 minutes. The White Sox won 2-1. I believe Ichiro had all three hits off Buehrle. I think I was back in my hotel room, all written, by 5 o'clock.

Speaking of which, Ken Griffey Jr. held a press conference in the dugout before the game, and when he was asked the biggest difference in coming back to the American League, he replied, "Time of game. Every now and then, you get a 2:14 here."

You never know what persona you're going to get with Junior, but he was relaxed and personable. When he's like that, there's no one more fun to talk to. I'll be writing about the interview for tomorrow, but here's an interesting tidbit. Someone said that Jim Thome called Griffey the best hitter he's ever played against, and Randy Johnson the best pitcher he's ever faced. Griffey was asked to name the best pitcher and hitter he's played with or against.

"Probably the best pitcher was Pedro in his prime. The best hitter was probably two: Edgar being one, and Barry Bonds being the other.

"There was nothing Edgar couldn't hit. You'd try to jam him one time, and he'd shoot it to right field. You'd do it again, and he'd pull it down the line. You just didn't know what he was going to do with the bat. Plus, he had short arms. You couldn't really jam him.''.

I asked Junior if he thought that Edgar, who will be on the Hall of Fame ballot after the 2009 season, should be a Hall of Famer.

"No doubt,'' he replied.

Then I asked if he thought Edgar WOULD be a Hall of Famer.

"I hope so. In my book, he's a Hall of Famer.''

Unfortunately, Griffey isn't in the starting lineup tonight. He's been struggling since he got to Chicago -- .225 (9-for-40) with no extra-base-hits.

Lineups

Seattle

Ichiro RF
Miguel Cairo 1B
Raul Ibanez LF
Adrian Beltre 3B
Jose Lopez 2B
Wladimir Balentien CF
Kenji Johjima DH
Jeff Clement C
Yuniesky Betancourt SS
Jarrod Washburn P

White Sox

Orlando Cabrera SS
A.J. Pierzynski C
Carlos Quentin LF
Jermaine Dye RF
Jim Thome DH
Paul Konerko 1B
Nick Swisher CF
Alexei Ramirez 2B
Juan Uribe 3B
Mark Buehrle P

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Posted by John from Montana

5:09 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Continuing the last thread:

Couldn't agree more about the dim future of this franchise - regardless of who is running the show.

Right now we have one competent starter - Felix. Everyone else is either too old, too young, too injury-prone or just sucks.
We have three truly competent hitters in Ichiro, Lopez and Ibanez. Ichiro is a singles hitter and Ibanez is old and could be gone next season. Lopez is, I think, really underrated, but he's hardly a guy that's going to carry a team.
The entire bullpen is now suspect with Putz's injury and continued struggles.

Even with improvement from the young players, and even with a couple of decent free agent signings or trades, we're still three to five years from having a legitimate team here.

And that's only - if by some miracle - we get someone running the show in the FO and on the bench - who knows what they are doing.

I think it's going to be a long, dark haul through the basement of the AL West.

Thanks, Bill, Chuck and Larry. It's been swell.

Posted by ragarm

5:12 PM, Aug 18, 2008

This lineup doesn't really instill confidence for tonight's game. Does Wiggleworm do a reverse line of thinking in considering who will DH? The lower your batting average the better your chance of DHing.

Would have enjoyed seeing Griffey in there tonight, but even he has been infected with M blahs.

Posted by bob

5:19 PM, Aug 18, 2008

I love how Riggleman sits Clement against Perkins and then plays him versus Buerhle, considering he is one of the hottest players on the team.

Could we be seeing the true Jose Lopez in late August and Septemeber 1 for his last 20.

Posted by downonstrikes

5:26 PM, Aug 18, 2008

this game is having a little more postive start tonight. three runs in so far. lopez even got a stolen base! let's see if Yuni duplicates the effort and steals.

too bad mr. washburn is coming up in a bit. he'll do fine for a while then about the 5th inning...well...as they say in the WWE: All hell breaks loose

Posted by tomtom

5:27 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Geeeee.... wasn't that Ichiro..., the same guy you beeeaaaahch blogging Angel's Fans want us to get rid of... crossing the home plate against the White Sox?

The same guys that praise the Angels on their blog sites, are hand out ridiculous dogma... Trade Ichiro, DUMP Jerrod, Fire Yuni, GET RID OF THE FO.... with every multialias they can invent.

Posted by Dereka

5:29 PM, Aug 18, 2008

I just don't know why we bother *sigh* :(.....

Posted by John

5:30 PM, Aug 18, 2008

The "true" Jose Lopez is a good hitter. The guy is only 25, and he's getting better every year. Save for a couple of rare examples, you can pretty much pick on anyone on this team this year, but Jose isn't one of them. I'm not fond of his defense, but he be converted to a solid 3b in a couple of years.

On another note, the fact that Kenji gets eaten up inside so much this year only proves how slow his bat is - and how idiotic it is that he's even on this roster clogging it up when you have guys like Rob Johnson and Adam Moore ready to go.

Posted by ricofoy

5:32 PM, Aug 18, 2008

3-5 years for a Billy Beane. Never with the 3 Stooges at the helm. It sucks that the fate of your favorite team is in the hands of a knucklehead who never played the game in his life. Who would have thought Howard Lincoln ,when he was running around in his knickers as a teenager learning how to tie knots, would someday be running a major league team. And why the hell does it have to be my team? I know deep down he's enjoying it as payback for when all the high school athletes use to kick sand in his face at the beach.

Posted by NoAngel

5:32 PM, Aug 18, 2008

tomtom=dumdum

Posted by Where is Ichiro?

5:38 PM, Aug 18, 2008

What about those declining skills? Strike out when he only needed to hit the ball to the right side of the infield to score a run.

Posted by downonstrikes

5:39 PM, Aug 18, 2008

lol ricofoy

Posted by downonstrikes

5:41 PM, Aug 18, 2008

geezzz. let the ichiro crap die now folks

boring. boring. boring.

Posted by ragarm

5:47 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Ichiro is the least of our concerns and worries right now. Leave the poor guy alone. C'est la vie.
Ichiro is an institution here and deserves some respect for what he's done and brought to Seattle. Just his stretching at the plate and contortions in the field are worth the price of admission.

We have a man of star quality that we can be proud of, not matter what the future brings. Just like Griffey, Buhner, Edgar, and the like. They are mariners and deserve to finish up on thier own terms, not what some bloggers think reasonable.

Posted by John from Montana

5:48 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Fine with me. We need that No. 1 pick.

Posted by downonstrikes

5:48 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Well, ammend my previous post of Washburn's good til the 5th. Looks like his fall apart has come a little earlier.

Posted by Beelzebub

5:49 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Is it still Happy Jerrod Day?

Posted by water water everywhere...

5:55 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Jonah - he's just unlucky swinging at that low and away breaking ball.

Posted by scottM

6:10 PM, Aug 18, 2008

from Ancient Mariner: "Sadly, I cannot share scottM's unbounded enthusiasm for building this team with one or two carefully selected free agents."

Yeah for optimism!

If you re-read my post there was a whole list of "imagines". The list is pretty extensive with a whole lot of things needing to fall in place for the M's to turn this thing around. A week or so ago, GEOFF asked if there was anyone who actually thought that the M's would be able to compete in 2009. My post was an attempt to list the key variables that would have to happen.

Do I think these players have the resolve and willpower to right the ship? When I read quotes from Washburn the other day letting the world know how much he wants out of Seattle, I am highly doubtful. My post was a glass-is-one-eighth-full attempt to address GEOFF's question and all the what-ifs it would take for the M's to make a playoff run in 2009.

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

6:12 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Looks like another typical Wash start where he coughs up an early lead; Lee P gambled by playing it conservatively when he could have unloaded Wash's contract just like Bonehead Bill went all in on the Bedard trade. I think this also looks to be a failed gamble and will cost Lee any chance of getting the GM job permanently (he was a longshot anyway).

At least Lee can get a gold watch along with Armstrong for their 25+ years of loyal service & being good lackeys to whoever is above them.

Posted by water water everywhere...

6:17 PM, Aug 18, 2008

RISP - whose up? Jonah! Unlucky swinging at that way out of the zone pitch.

Posted by All Star 3B

6:19 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Boy that Beltre is such and ASSet to the team!

Posted by water water everywhere...

6:21 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Is this all the DH we can muster? Nice job Joh, you are sure worth that contract extension.

Posted by scottM

6:24 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Who said Joh is not a gamer? Wooohooo! 1137 days left on his contract!

Posted by Beelzebub

6:26 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Hey Washburn, lets put some more runners on maybe one of their sluggers will come up soon.

Yeah, its Happy Jerrod Day!

Posted by doug

6:32 PM, Aug 18, 2008

as i keep repeating. Beltre is by far the easiest player in MLB to get out. Tony Pena Jr laughs at beltre.

Posted by Beelzebub

6:34 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Lets see, how about you take his contract and we will even throw in a resin sack and a bag of balls.

Posted by Faceplant

6:34 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Wow, it looks like the idiots in charge of the irrational Beltre hate club are out in full force.

Posted by scottM

6:34 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Jarrod is lowcasing himself. Too good to be an M. Bet he cashes those checks though.

Posted by Joe Renton

6:35 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Happy Jarrod Day!!!

Posted by doug

6:37 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Faceplant defending the worst 3b in baseball. How sad. Clear he is the easiest out in MLB.

Posted by Beelzebub

6:38 PM, Aug 18, 2008

PS so much for Happy Jerrod Day - sie la vie - where is Eric when you need him.

Posted by Beelzebub

6:43 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Is Miguel still using that secret delivery? It was going to save his career. What's taht the French say Eric?

Posted by downonstrikes

6:44 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Oh Jarrod. All eight runs are earned.

Oh Batista, Dave Niehaus says they are just tearing you apart. A beleagured Batisita, according to Dave.

Another fine showing by our esteemed team.

I want Lou back.

Posted by Balentienforcer

6:45 PM, Aug 18, 2008

I'm so proud to be a fan of the suckiest suckers that ever sucked.

Posted by Eburg T

6:46 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Happy Jarrod day!

Got that splitter working today!

Posted by Pirata Morado

6:46 PM, Aug 18, 2008

How can someone still defend Beltre, is completely out of my head.

Posted by Faceplant

6:47 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Awww... You guys are just so cute!

Posted by WSUx3

6:47 PM, Aug 18, 2008

2008 mariners are in contention for the worst record in baseball history. great job guys.

Posted by 11Records

6:49 PM, Aug 18, 2008

seriously - how predictable is this Mariners Gong Show?

I was IM'ing with a friend in the top of the 5th... "No one wastes 1st and 3rd with no outs like the Mariners."

Sure enough, they don't score. Then I say, "will this game is over. They're losing for sure"

And - boom. They blow up.

Hell - when you're team is up 4-3 halfway through a game, it shouldn't be brutally obvious that you're gonna lose. But, with them...

I'm sure they'll come back in the 8th and 9th to make it close. Score a moral victory, whatever.

Posted by Adam

6:50 PM, Aug 18, 2008

where are you yuni haters! more power than bitchiro!!!!!

Posted by ricofoy

6:52 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Let's throw this Washburn start out too. In fact, let's just throw Washburn out.

Is it too early to start thinking about what boneheaded free agent signing we'll see in the offseason? I predict we will grossly overpay for Pat Burrell who will turn into a flop ala Dick Sexson.
In fact, if the 3 Stooges are still at the helm, I'll put money on it.

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

6:55 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Adam- how's that short sample analysis excuse working for ya on Yuni? When should the regression start?

Posted by water water everywhere...

6:58 PM, Aug 18, 2008

RISP = Time for the Jonah, he's an all star third baseman, if only he wasn't so unlucky.

Posted by Pirata Morado

7:01 PM, Aug 18, 2008

More bad luck by Adrian. He must be incredibly unlucky! What do you say now Faceplant?

Posted by Beelzebub

7:02 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Doesn't Adam want to discard Yuni? He never ceases to amaze me with his internal conflict. Adam see a shrink.

Posted by Dereka

7:03 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Beltre is unlucky the stats don't lie. You can make up a theory that swinging at neck high balls outside the plate are the result of poor plate discipline.

Posted by Last is First

7:03 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Atta boy Riggs. Keep Batista in until the end. One word: Strasburg.

P.S.- Adam- You're right who could discount Yuni's power? 5 HR's this season? LMFAO

Posted by twinsfan

7:06 PM, Aug 18, 2008

You know, if you pretend tonight didn't happen Washburn was pretty good.

Posted by Dereka

7:07 PM, Aug 18, 2008

We are stuck with Washburn, every team is going to look at tonight's game and use it against the M's during negotiations this winter for any deal. The franchise is doomed that we are stuck with Washburn for another year!

Posted by Beelzebub

7:09 PM, Aug 18, 2008

The Washburn question: Who cherry picked the stats?

Posted by Dereka

7:09 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Twinsfan is right, Washburn is the reason this team loses 100 games.

Posted by Oly Mike

7:09 PM, Aug 18, 2008

WASHBURN IS A LOOOOOOSERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! How does his ERA look now after giving up 6 runs in the 5th inning ( I think all six belonged to Washburn and his buddy Batista didn't help).I don't know how many times I have said this on this blog but Washburn always gives up runs at the most inoportune time. Once the Mariners had the lead they should have brought in the short relievers not Batista. What is up with that? Bring in another loser (Batista) to replace Washburn!!! Does that compute in your statistical analysis? This miserable year has nothing to do with statistics (other than poor ones) and surely has nothing to do with traditional approaches or logic. As I have said this season is about bad luck, omens or bad spells. This team is hexed and until all the Demons have been exoricised it will not get better. And the fans do not want this bad luck to to carry over until next year. This team cannot affor another slow or poor start in 2009. GET RID OF THE DEMONS NOW. Washburn, Batista, Silva and Johjima should be disposed off as soon as possible. Forget the Money and what you might get for them. These accursed need to go immediately. How could Riggleman expect to win today with 3/4's of the Demons in the lineup? I wonder if Silva wasn't on the DL if Riggleman would would have found a way to get him in the game as wel?. Oh this team is such a joy to watch. Thanks for the Olympics and the Seahawks!!!!!!!

Posted by Beyond the stats

7:16 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Where o where did all the little stats geeks defending Washburn and Beltre go? What becomes of their surreal notions of reality?

Posted by ragarm

7:21 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Can we buy another team and just send these guys from top to bottom out on the next Mars Probe? Any for sale? Please.

We have so much strength in every facet of the game.
Pitching: Silva, Batista, Washburn, Bedard
Catching: Kenji
Hitting: Kenji, Adrian, Yuni, etc. etc.
Bullpen: Putzy
Defense: Yuni and Jose the shoulder shrug twins
Outfield: A guy who doesn't want to play CF
Farm system: shallow and depleted
Front Office: Led by the 3 Stooges and a man named Wiggleworm

Posted by downonstrikes

7:24 PM, Aug 18, 2008

12 to 5 White Sox.

Jake Woods has caught the fever.

It is so contagious.

Posted by Tacoma Rain

7:25 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Geoff,
Thanks for the morning thread.
Maybe Washburn can throw you under the bus, for jinxing him today...

Posted by George Orwell

7:26 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Maybe we will pick up a half game on Washington since they are not playing tonight. Worst is best.

Posted by Tom

7:27 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Weren't the "stat geeks" (ussm types) bashing Wash while the non-stat geeks pointing out his mechanical change, his run of 6 good starts, his quality starts as reason he is good? Yes, the stat geeks do defend beltre. Not washburn. Go read USSM or Lookout landing for evidence.

I think beyond the stats is retarded.

Posted by Not Tom

7:29 PM, Aug 18, 2008

What happened to the "tomtom" dumdum?

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

7:37 PM, Aug 18, 2008

So far, Joh has left 5 men on base and is 0 for 3 with a walk. His weak popup to end the 5th with the bases loaded was a big turning point in tonight's game. In Sept., Rob Johnson needs to get some spot starts and Joh should be put out to be the bullpen catcher. That 1 month in Siberia may be enough to convince him to forego the three year gift contract and return to Japanese baseball.

Despite the money, I think he has too much pride to stay three more years in a place where nobody wants him - other players, fans, FO, coaches. Unlike American players, Joh has an option available to him that could be a graceful way out for all parties.

Posted by water water everywhere...

7:38 PM, Aug 18, 2008

RISP - Talk about luck, its time for the Jonah!

Posted by water water everywhere...

7:43 PM, Aug 18, 2008

PS No way Beltre is a problem.

Posted by bob

7:46 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Let the shopping of Washburn and Beltre begin.

We will be lucky to fetch anything for these guys, unless, we eat tons of salary.

A crack pot job in the front office for keeping Washburn for the remainder of the year.

D E P R E C I A T I O N - Say it Again!

Posted by doug

7:47 PM, Aug 18, 2008

But but but jarrod is good if you take away all of his bad starts!!!

Posted by ricofoy

7:50 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Throw out the 2nd and 5th innings and Washburn pitched a shutout.

Posted by oscar

7:51 PM, Aug 18, 2008

cool that annoying Baker kid is gone
what a goof

Posted by WSUx3

7:53 PM, Aug 18, 2008

So much for your dumbshit argument that wash is better than felix Geoff. Go back to canada, slut.

Posted by Melvin the miscreant

7:55 PM, Aug 18, 2008

why does Yuni B always strut around like a rooster? Like he is a great player? Like he's good? Yuni is pretty damn NOT good. He should be walking around with his head down and take extra fielding, hitting, bunting, baserunning and fundamental practice.

YUNI you sux mang!

Posted by water water everywhere...

7:56 PM, Aug 18, 2008

humble pie - want a slice Geof?

Posted by aye i eye

7:58 PM, Aug 18, 2008

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Posted by mohawkz

8:01 PM, Aug 18, 2008

geoff is a tool I wish he would take himself and that lame ass hair back to canada

Posted by Anything Can Happen

8:01 PM, Aug 18, 2008

"Beyond" (7:16)--who was defending Washburn? I didn't recall anyone doing that in the morning thread--not even Geoff (and I just skimmed to confirm; yes, a waste of time). On the contrary, most everyone agreed on at least 3 things: 1) Washburn is not the ToR guy Bavasi thought he was getting in 2006--he's 4 or 5. 2)As such, he's overpaid by at least $3 million/year (I would argue it's more than that considering the Ms do have decent options in RRS, RF, and BM), and 3) the M's should have traded Washburn.

My reading of Geoff's morning blog is that Geoff was attempting to provide some statistical evidence (even sabermetrics for the sabermetricians) to counter the irrational arguments of the majority of posters that "Washburn sucks." (And that's an argument that requires a mountain of evidence to refute...)

As Tom (7:27) noted, Geoff's argument is similar to those posed by Beltre supporters who bring out every possible statistical metric to argue that our streaky, .246 hitter (who just stranded another RISP) is really worth $13million+ this year. Meanwhile bob (5:19) picks on Lopez for going 1 for his last 20, while Beltre goes 0-for-5 games 4-5 times/year, average. And Beltre is now 3 for his last 21. And no, I'm not a Beltre hater; Beltre, like Washburn, is performing at a level half the size of his contract. Were he getting paid $6million per year and batting #6, perhaps he would get less criticism too?

Posted by diablo

8:01 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Be proud of it. Stick with this team in 2008. It's basebal. Crazy stuff happens in a week's time. Believe in your team and lets see what happens.
Our future as Mariner fans is always bright. Unlike many fans from around MLB. Stop being a spoiled brat and stop for whining like a Red Son fan.
Now that's something I worry about.
Go Mariners in 09'

Posted by doug

8:05 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Once again, we pay beltre a-rod money and he produces like tony pena jr.

Posted by Richard

8:07 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Guys, this wasn't the real Jarrod tonight, this was an anomaly. It would be best to ignore this start when statistically analysing Washburn in the future.

Posted by downonstrikes

8:08 PM, Aug 18, 2008

I notice Yuni's rooster strut too Mr. Melvin Miscreant. And I agree, he should be eathing so much humble pie that he turns to lard like Silva. None of this team or management should be able to hold their heads up and put on the macho vibe. They truly are awful.

Posted by doug

8:12 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Yeah, he forgot the change in his mechanics and his new find splitter wasnt splitting. We probably should just ignore this as geoff would advise. He is a good pitcher, better than felix !

Posted by Mr. October

8:16 PM, Aug 18, 2008

"we pay beltre a-rod money"
Not quite doug. A-Rod is getting $28 mil. Beltre is getting 6? 7?.

Posted by Beelzebub

8:17 PM, Aug 18, 2008

What you goina write now Geof? Got some snake oil to sell us?

Posted by Brett in Bonney Lake

8:25 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Posters like WSUx3 who think they are cool because they use swear words are not needed here.

Posted by doug

8:27 PM, Aug 18, 2008

No, we pay beltre a HELL of a lot based on that year in LA and he is now the easiest out in MLB. low and away or over his head and he swings away worse than any AAA player.

Posted by doug

8:28 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Wash gives a great pressclip or interview where as felix doesnt. That is why Geoff prefers Wash to Felix. Too bad geoff isnt the GM of the Angels or redsox! he can build a team of good quote guys like wash and silva and we can whoop em

Posted by The Evil One

8:40 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Too ashamed to put up a post game blog, eh Geoff? Just invite all the little stats geeks from USSM and Lookout Landing to come over and defend you, Washburn, and Beltre.

Posted by WSUx3

8:48 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Your troll is too obvious Evil One. USSM clearly think Washburn and Geoff are dicklickers.

Posted by DMZ

8:54 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Beltre is unlucky this year and yes statistical based analysis trumps any scouting that says otherwise. Well, unless I decide it applies to support my other not so humble opinions. I am right all the time. See how Washburn isn't good, see how the team will lose 100 games every season Washburn is on the roster! I should be employed at the Seattle Times not Geoff! I went to college!

Posted by Can't fix a flat tire

8:55 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Evil One=Derek Zumsteg

Posted by manny

8:57 PM, Aug 18, 2008

The mariners just need to forget about this season and get ready for the next. Players like Sexon and vidro with these big contracts are history. We need to get young. Go after pitchers like Liceum from SF and Sabathia. Get Nady. Beltre is a waste of money. He cannot get the big hit when needed. Get rid of batista, and washburn. These guys are washed up. Signing johjima was a waste. They should of went after IROD before signing johjima.

Posted by DMZ

8:59 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Nady is ichiros GOD and doesnt make much. we should have traded balentine for him

Posted by Adam

9:03 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Adam- how's that short sample analysis excuse working for ya on Yuni? When should the regression start?


Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but it still applies. Repeat after me: Small sample sizes don't prove ANYTHING. The quicker you understand that, the more people will begin to take you seriously.


Honestly, if I used your logic, the next time Yuni had an 0-4 night, I could come on here and gloat to everyone that Yuni's finished as a ML-ballplayer.

It makes no sense.

Posted by Darth Adam

9:06 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Lord Adam gas spoken!

Posted by tugboatcritic

9:06 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Tek Jensen- Randy Wolf is on pace to make over 10 mil. this year. He is a great comp for Washburn...and is paid more than Washburn. I'm no fan of Washburn, but this classic example of the misinformation tossed about locally to slam him has been a bit sloppy at best. Do you think Wolf is going to get one of those "freely available" contracts next year? I'm sure that no one in baseball values him at all either. But wait a minute, he's made about as much as Washburn the last 3 years. Back to the drawing board... I'm sure that Bartolo Colon will be available to start 10 games again next season.

Posted by Darth Adam

9:08 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Lord Adam has spoken! Stand aside for the gas.

Posted by doug

9:21 PM, Aug 18, 2008

Randy wolf, one of the pitchers "Dave" suggested is better than wash. Well, Wash is the Cy Young winner if we remove all his bad starts so why would we want wolf?

Posted by Dave Kneehouse

9:36 PM, Aug 18, 2008

IT JUST CONTINUES!!!!!!!

Posted by DownOnStrikes

8:45 AM, Aug 19, 2008

Misery loves company.

If you feel we are alone with this mess and a management team asleep at the wheel, or passed out at the wheel, read this article about the Colorado Rockies' situation:

http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_10232543?source=commented-rockies

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