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July 26, 2008 1:23 PM

Washburn awaits phone call

Posted by Geoff Baker

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The Mariners were thumped, 8-3 this afternoon, by the Toronto Blue Jays, who you can see above as they leave the field.

But the bigger news is the supposedly pending Jarrod Washburn deal to the New York Yankees. Just got done talking to Washburn in the clubhouse. He told me he spoke to his agent, Scott Boras, by phone two days ago and the pair went over the procedure that would take place in the event of a deal. What it boils down to is, Washburn has told Boras what he'd like as far as compensation goes for waiving his no-trade clause if dealt to the Yankees. The agent will verbally discuss this this with the two teams once an agreement in principle is reached. After that, once all final offers are on the table, Boras will phone Washburn and he'll say yes or no.

"That's pretty much it,'' Washburn said.

There are all kinds of rumors flying about what the deal will entail. There has been talk of outfielder Melky Cabrera or outfield prospect Brett Gardner coming over, along with pitcher Kei Igawa. There were rumors that the M's wanted Jose Vidro going back the other way at some point.

The trade by New York for Pirates outfielder Xavier Nady makes this Washburn deal possible. New York is dealing with injuries to several outfielders and would not deal Cabrera away unless it had a regular outfielder coming back.

I could see the Mariners wanting Cabrera, even though I think Gardner is the more attractive pickup here. Anyone who saw Gregg Zaun score from second on that Willie Bloomquist throw home this afternoon would tend to agree this team needs a full-time center fielder.

Right now, Bloomquist and Jeremy Reed are the equivalent of two fourth outfielders sharing that job. Reed's bat has leveled off the more he plays.

Jim Riggleman says he knows nothing of any pending deal. I believe him -- to a point. He left R.A. Dickey out there awfully long today. Yes, the bullpen was a bit tired, but it had an off-day on Thursday. Riggleman looks to be saving guys up for...for...yes, to make a collective emergency start for Washburn tomorrow if needed. Front offices communicate with managers on these things. If a deal is this close, I doubt the Yankees want Washburn on the mound tomorrow for Seattle as scheduled.

Now, we just have to wait for some phone calls to be made and see what happens.


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Posted by Brett in Bonney Lake

1:35 PM, Jul 26, 2008

The Yanks would give us Igawa, Gardner, and Cabrera for Washburn alone? I am assuming we would be eating his contract.

Oh, and I would absolutely LOVE to see what would happen to Vidro in NY.

Posted by downonstrikes

1:44 PM, Jul 26, 2008

The radio crew just talked to both Washburn and Riggleman and both denied that anything was going on with the Yankees. Do they lie as well as our President?

One more word about Dave Niehaus and I'll puke. Yeah he was a good broadcaster in the past and deserves the Hall of Fame induction, but give me a break. Talk about the game, Rizz. Dave has made many blunders speaking over the past two years that show he needs to retire. Listen to his radio broadcast and watch the TV at the same time if you don't believe me.

Posted by Ragarm

1:47 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Washburn, Vidro, Cairo, Kenji, Batista, Silva. Let's wheel and deal them and get going on 2010.

Posted by ethan

1:47 PM, Jul 26, 2008

what a PERFECT STORM OF LOSERS our team is.. the Yankees want a couple of em? good riddance.

Posted by Ragarm

1:50 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Let's give the Yankees our entire team for their AAA players straight across. And throw in the jerks in the Front Office, GM, and Riggleman too as a bonus. This team plan sucks!

Posted by joe

1:56 PM, Jul 26, 2008

how bout we trade washburn for sexson?

Posted by Irate

2:06 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Taking Igawa from the Yankees would make this deal worse than putting Washburn on waivers and just letting another team take him.

Posted by Mr. Sabermetrics

2:15 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Gardner moved to AAA, Igawa DFA'd.

Mr. Sabermetrics is wondering if these two are coming over to the M's. Mr. S does not believe that the Yanks would play Melky if he was coming over in a trade.

Posted by Mr. Sabermetrics

2:16 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Irate,

If we got Brett Gardner for Wash? Mr. S believes that is better than anything we could have gotten for a mediocre SP who is owed 14 mil.

Posted by Mr. Sabermetrics

2:18 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Mr. S would like to ask those ripping Riggleman for not talking trades to simmer down. Do you think a field manager is supposed to be speaking for the FO like that? He'd be fired in five minutes and it's not his place to make speculation.

Didn't think so. Cut the guy some slack.

Posted by DirtDawg

2:26 PM, Jul 26, 2008

how the heck did washburn get a no trade clause?

Posted by Irate

2:28 PM, Jul 26, 2008

I'd rather have the $13-14 million they'd save by letting Washburn get claimed on waivers than a AAA outfielder.

Posted by marinermoose535

2:33 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Washburn gett a partial no trade clause because of his time in the league.I believe over seven years you are allowed to veto trades to 10 teams, yanks included

Posted by Jonathan

2:46 PM, Jul 26, 2008

"I'd rather have the $13-14 million they'd save by letting Washburn get claimed on waivers than a AAA outfielder."

Don't be so sure the Mariners are paying his salary. Especially since Igawa is in the deal.

Rumor is Igawa and Gardner (powerless but good speed and OB kind of guy) for Vidro and Washburn.

I would take it in a heart beat.

Maybe Johjima can be Igawa's personal catcher

Posted by C Diddy

2:55 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Do it Washburn is not that good. We get that extra 10 Mil a yr if we get rid of him. Use that money in FREE Agency.....It would be nice to be able to have sexson's money and washburn money to go after some free agents....Need to stir this team up...

Posted by SaukMtnMan

3:29 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Well, good luck in Gotham Mr. Washburn. Enjoy the pennant race and say hello to Richie for us...and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Posted by Irate

3:32 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Igawa is guaranteed $12 million after this season and he's not even capable of getting outs in the majors.

Again, this trade is worse than if they let Washburn get claimed on waivers and just let him go.

Posted by cesame

3:37 PM, Jul 26, 2008

"Anyone who saw Gregg Zaun score from second on that Willie Bloomquist throw home this afternoon would tend to agree this team needs a full-time center fielder."

You mean someone like Ichiro? Yeah, good call on the M's part to move him back to RF.

And guys, MLBTR:

“Peter Abraham is now reporting that the deal could happen as early as tomorrow and that the Yankees are willing to pay all of the salary remaining on the contract “in return for not sending Seattle any player of significance. No, not Kei Igawa.”

Posted by john

4:08 PM, Jul 26, 2008

trading him for nothing, when platoff teams are
hunting for pitching?
Why are are minor leagues a worthless mess. deals like this. 10 mil for starting piching is nothing anymore
and isnt igawa,s deal for the next 3 yrs
aboiut 4 mil a year??? blow this team up yes, but trade for prospects, we always give up everything for someone, let other teams overpay or forget it.....
b

Posted by meagain

4:34 PM, Jul 26, 2008

A word about Niehaus. He himself tells the story of Gene Autry saying to him, "You called a great game, Dave. It just wasn't the one I was watching." He freely admits to screwing up the particulars, and that it's nothing new. His strength is on radio, painting word pictures, and he still does it beautifully to my taste. And, he will openly criticize the team and the players, which not every team-employed broadcaster will do.

Long live Dave Niehaus. The person who replaces him will have some big shoes to fill.

Posted by brennan31

4:42 PM, Jul 26, 2008

If we get Igawa, at least his money is spread over 3 more years. Wash's was all on next year's books. See if a change of scenery and some fellow japanese players give him a boost and who knows. Might be finally be a steal for us for a change.
I'd take this salary dump anyway you slice it. We need to unload Beltre now too. I like the guy, but unloading a combined 20 mill for next year and you can afford Manny or Tex and really get the reloading started quickly.

Posted by patferg

4:47 PM, Jul 26, 2008

trading Washburn for nothing, just financial aid, does nothing to help this team now or in the future.

What, are we going to use the money saved to bring in FA this off-season that are going to help us? Who? Dunn? Texieira? None of the good high profile players would play for us anyway, regardless of how much money we throw their way.

If we don't get Gardner out of this deal, it's a complete waste.

And if we take Igawa, I'm going to assume Bavasi wasn't fired, and is still pulling the strings.

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

4:52 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Geoff, curious here. You spoke at length about how Ichiro's lack of power hurts the team. Yet, you advocate acquiring Garner a player with zero power, and mainly a singles hitter? This appears to be a contradiction in your philosophy.

What makes Gardner more appealing than Michael Saunders and Greg Halman? Don't get the logic here. If you hate Bloomquist's arm in center, you will love Halman's arm.

We need gap power at Safeco field, not more singles hitters. I really hope Gardner isn't the center fielder we are trading for. He's drowning against MLB pitching in his short stint. He relies on his speed in the outfield and doesn't make proper reads all the time.

Melky Cabrera has 11 doubles this year for a total of 19 XBH's in 99 games. That's not exactly what the M's offense needs. That's weak.

Posted by johnb

4:53 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Well, I am a Yankee fan and I do not want to see Melky or Gardner go

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

4:57 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Don't think about this trade in economics. This team has the payroll and financial resources to make trades that provide us better talent in return. We do not need to be dumping salary. We need to be getting more talent, getting better offensively. Gardner, Igawa, and Cabrera, makes us a worse team in my opinion. The worst part of this deal is we block better prospects in our own backyard.

Posted by wag the dog

5:01 PM, Jul 26, 2008

It makes me laugh that Washburn is in a position to demand anything. The guys is a massively overpaid number 3-4 type starter and he's going to leverage a no trade clause to possibly get a little more? Going from a perennial loser to a perennial contender plus is already huge contract isn't enough? Awesome.

This appears to be another worthless trade. Not that it's reasonable to expect better. When you have junk, you can't expect more than junk in return. Unless, of course, you're dealing with the Mariners, then if you don't rob the Mariners blind you haven't been doing your job.

I guess getting Gardner would be something. But I see nothing that indicates we can accelerate the turn around because we have little to offer in trade that will get us top prospects in return and I can't see any top free agents being all that eager to come to a team that is essentially in disarray.

Posted by cesame

5:14 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Resin...

"Geoff, curious here. You spoke at length about how Ichiro's lack of power hurts the team. Yet, you advocate acquiring Garner a player with zero power, and mainly a singles hitter? This appears to be a contradiction in your philosophy."

Ichiro's fine if he's playing CF. But he isn't anymore. He;s back in RF and that's where teams like to get their power from, say someone like Wlad.

Ichiro as a CF is a huge plus. Ichiro in RF is not. Quite frankly, him playing in RF pretty much makes him overpaid now. In CF he wouldn't be.

Posted by Jonathan

5:36 PM, Jul 26, 2008

I beg to differ Gardner does make this team better we have no centerfielder. Bloomquist and Reed are backups at best.

I can't believe people are expecting the world for Washburn. He's a #4 starter with a big salary. Moving him for a starter in itself is a great trade.

Posted by old mariner

5:52 PM, Jul 26, 2008

The burst of adrenalin that the Mariners got when Riggles took over has now dissipated. We are into the annual summer swoon. It's time to call it a season and start trading in order to try to improve next season. Washburn, Ibanez, Beltre, Rhodes should all garner something of worth. Vidro can go period. Also time to put Bedard on the won't perform/can't perform disabled list.

Posted by dmartin190

5:55 PM, Jul 26, 2008

I just read a recent blog post on ESPN.com which indicates that the M's are using the Washburn trade as strictly a salary dump move. The Yanks will pay most of his remaining $ and we don't get squat in return. Any truth to that distrubing information?

Posted by MacDice

5:56 PM, Jul 26, 2008

What about Manny? The rumors are that the Sox and tired of him and want to move him ASAP? Fire sale? The Sox won't move him to team that they might see in the playoffs. Manny won't agree to a trade with out his options being picked up. The Sox won't put him on waivers becuase what if the Yankees claim him? Seattle would be a good fit (he's not any worse than Raul in the field). The Mariners need someone in the lineup to get excited about. They can afford to pay him. It shows the fans that they are not in a complete rebuilding stage. At the moment, Seattle is not high on most free agents list so what are the real odds of attracting a top offensive player? The Sox could use another catcher to back up Jason (Kenji or Johnson), they need a SS (Bentacourt) Lets get it done.

Posted by Miles

5:56 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Jayson Stark was on ESPN radio tonight and says the deal is waiting on the M's deciding if they want low level prospects, in which case the Yankees will take Washburn's entire contract, of if the M's want better prospects, in which case they have to either take Igawa or eat part of Washburn's money. Personally, I like the idea of Igawa. This team will be pitching starved next year and Igawa is cheap enough to take a flyer on. Those of you who think saving Washburn's money is important, I'd ask which free agent pitcher do you think we really have a chance of landing? I'd say counting on a big free agent signing is a mistake.

Melky or Garnder + Igawa for Washburn would be a fine trade IMHO.

Posted by Irate

6:09 PM, Jul 26, 2008

We already have Felix, Bedard, Silva, Batista, Dickey, Morrow, and Rowland-Smith; all of whom are better starting options for next year than Igawa. That doesn't even include a guy like Feierabend, who is probably just as good, if not better (and cheaper) than Igawa.

No more dead money! Just say no to Igawa.

Posted by Miles

6:23 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Irate said:
"We already have Felix, Bedard, Silva, Batista, Dickey, Morrow, and Rowland-Smith; all of whom are better starting options for next year than Igawa. That doesn't even include a guy like Feierabend, who is probably just as good, if not better (and cheaper) than Igawa."

If that's the group you want to base your staff around, don't expect a lot of wins. Felix is a given. Bedard could be traded in the offseason. Silva and Batista are busts. Dickey's a back end pitcher at best. Morrow, RRS, Feierabend are all unproven as starters. Real world baseball history says we'll be lucky if one of the three turns out to be an average starter or better, and it will likely take a few seasons either way.

All I'm saying is that Igawa gives you flexibility so you aren't spending another $8-10m a year for another Washburn/Batista/Silva level player. That's how much those guys cost. I'd rather have the $4m version in Igawa, and maybe he'll perk up when paired with that $8m/year japanese catcher we're stuck with for the next three years.

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Posted by Dude

6:35 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Niehaus is annoying with his sentimental overboard on Cooperstown, but the drippy behavior needs to stop.

Yes, Dave you deserve it after decades of the Ms never reaching the WS but stop enough with the tears and 30s hats

Rizz and his calling blowers "Blow" as though they have been childhood friends is rather nauseating. His name is Mike Blowers with a silent a not BLOW-ers with a long O. Learn English midget.

Blowers sheepish and almost slave like responses to both Niehaus and Rizz is so transparent.

You played ok? They didnt! They are posers. Be a man!

Posted by Irate

6:35 PM, Jul 26, 2008

That's not what I want to base my staff around, but that doesn't mean Igawa is a good fit. All adding him would do is make it harder to add a quality guy, because they'd free up $6 million next year instead of $10 million. That doesn't even include flushing another $4 million down the drain in each of 2010 and 2011.

Igawa would be a mistake the same way Weaver, Washburn, and Silva were. Just because he makes half as much doesn't make him any less of a mistake. You can get guys who are just as good or better for one tenth of the price. Dickey, Rowland-Smith, and Feierabend are those kinds of guys.

Posted by Batter Up!!!

6:40 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Where is the video of the the hotel? Guess we're home again.

Washburn needs to stay with us unless we get a major deal. F*** the Yankees and the low life dribble boys the boss left behind....

Can't wait to see Dave at the Hall of Fame Sunday!

Posted by CoastalDave

7:07 PM, Jul 26, 2008

I came down hard on Ichiro for muffing that final fly ball in last night's game, and someone here advised me that "even the great ones make mistakes". Granted, and I stand corrected. How about giving Dave Niehaus that same break? The man absolutely exudes baseball history, and we're lucky in this impersonal day and age to have an "old school" type like Niehaus. He's one of the last of a dying breed. And, he doesn't bury you with mindless statistics like Rizz does. Sometimes Rizz will throw in so much trivia that he forgets to describe what's actually happening on the field. Blowers (or Blauers, or however his last name is said), knows a lot about the game, although he always seems to seem oddly detached in a pseudo-intellectual sort of way. Someone here said that Niehaus' shoes will be big shoes to fill, and to that, I say "Amen". Rizz has a great broadcast voice, but sometimes he is so damn IRRITATING. As far as all of the trading that is or will be soon going on, well, I know nothing of the financial mechanics of baseball; that said, it seems like the M's are sailing on the Titanic. "ICEBERG DEAD AHEAD!!!"

Posted by Ziasudra

7:11 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Listen, we have a bunch of Igawa's and Gardner's all over our minor leagues - why is the "grass always greener" on the other side of the fence? Have we learned nothing over the BB dynasty? (Don't answer that!)
Our starters next year could be Felix, Bedard, RSS, Morrow, Feierabend, Dorman; bull-pen help in O'Flaherty and Rohrbaugh. Let RAD compete with Woods and Sean White for slots. Dump Batista; trade Silva and Wash, of course. Trade a bp-er or two for hot prospects, not reruns or other junk (Sosa?).
OF: add Vlad, Diaz, Morse, with several more in the wings.
John Clayton was screaming today about barfing, watching Vidro, Johjima and Cairo take AB's away from next year's players.

Posted by Oly Mike

8:08 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Is anyone on this blog tired yet? Is there anyone on this team that has not been discussed ad nauseum? I think if something does happen it will be totally anti-climatic. The Mariners have nothing to bargain with!! If we traded Beltre, Ibanez, Lopez or even Ichiro and Bedard we would have to find someone to replace them. And who would that be at this stage of an awful season? No really good player would want to come to Seattle and play on this disaster of a team. So what are faced with? Trading garbage for garbage. What can you expect for someone like Washburn? If you were some other team would you want him? The Mariners should really roll the dice and get the all the lower level players they can. They just might find a diamond in the rough!! Why get Gardner, Igawa or Cabrera. They already have players like that on the team and in the minors. Will getting more mediocre players change this team around? At least with some young untried player something miraculous could happen. With players already not making the grade you don’t even get the hope of seeing someone develop. Let’s take the Forrest Gump approach: “life is like a box of chocolates you never know what you are going to get”. At least that is the way I see it!!!

Posted by CheapSeats

8:33 PM, Jul 26, 2008

"Long live Dave Niehaus. The person who replaces him will have some big shoes to fill."

At least I'll get to hear an announcer talk about the 'Game" being played and not some stupid tangent that happened 30+ years ago!

Posted by M Dogg

8:58 PM, Jul 26, 2008

"What about Manny? The rumors are that the Sox and tired of him and want to move him ASAP? Fire sale?"
Do you really think a 60-45 team that is 2 games back is going to have a fire sale? Manny is batting .301/.402/.530/.932. He is too valuable to let go in the middle of a pennant race. Although I wouldn't be surprised if his shenanigans and squawking about a new contract get him dealt in the off season. It won't be for nothing or next to nothing though.

Posted by tugboatcritic

8:59 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Trade the whole damn team.

On a brighter note, I can still remember opening night for the franchise, and Diego Segui (sp) throwing the first pitch. I believe that someone from the Angels hit a hr that inning. Am I right in remembering Craig Reynolds hitting a bomb for the M's that night?

Anyway, Dave Neihaus is at the forefront of too many memories of my youth to count. If you were an M's fan in the 70's, and got to experience 1995, you know 2 things: A) what Cubs fans are all about, and B) why Neihaus will never be duplicated, only replaced.

Our fans are a lucky bunch for having him. Congratulations on the Hall of Fame .

Posted by PayClayBennett

9:13 PM, Jul 26, 2008

This team will finish with 38 wins, lol. How much worse could this pile of crap get? Oklahoma looking for an MLB club too?

Posted by Otis

9:21 PM, Jul 26, 2008

To: Dude @ 6:35 PM, Jul 26, 2008

"Niehaus is annoying with his sentimental overboard on Cooperstown, but the drippy behavior needs to stop.

Yes, Dave you deserve it after decades of the Ms never reaching the WS but stop enough with the tears and 30s hats

Rizz and his calling blowers "Blow" as though they have been childhood friends is rather nauseating."

I have some advice for you "Dude" turn the friggin channel and quit your whinin ya lil biatch!

Posted by RustyJohn

9:56 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Why do Mariner fans think the Yankees would be stupid enough to take Vidro or deal Melky to the M's? WHo would the Yankees have for a starting center fielder if they dealt Melky? Let's see, they have Nady in left, Damon can't throw so he is their DH, Abreau in right and Melky in center. Matsui is on the DL and probably won't be back this year. Gardner was just sent down and batted a whopping .180 during his call up and looked totally overmatched. THe other outfielder on the bench is Christian who is a 28 year old journeyman who has had 22 MLB at bats.

Posted by RustyJohn

10:00 PM, Jul 26, 2008

I would be surprised if Washburn was traded to NY- Kennedy, one of the kids who was supposed to be a starter this year is rehabbing in AAA- he just threw a one-hitter a couple of nights ago. Hughes has started throwing again and will be ready in a month. Hell, even Pavano will be ready by September. Why take on 10 million in salary when he'll make 6 starts before three other pitchers are available? Shoot, Wang may even be back by then.

Posted by NoMoMojo

10:24 PM, Jul 26, 2008

OK, give Niehaus a year or so Hall of Fame "victory lap"...then bring in Kevin Callabro as the new Voice of the Mariners for the next dozen years. Who likes this idea?

Posted by Patrick F.

10:26 PM, Jul 26, 2008

I wouldn't mind seeing Melky Cabrera come over, but isn't Kei Igawa terrible?

Cabrera would be a good center fielder for the Mariners, and I believe he is a switch hitter.

I'm curious to see what happens with this situation.

Posted by glenn

10:31 PM, Jul 26, 2008


Hey Tug....The M's lost their first game 7-0...(I was there)...I don't remember if someone from Halos hit one out in the first but I know the M's didn't...as I recall the M's best chance to score in that game was in the inning that Leroy Stanton got a base hit and was thrown out trying to stretch it into a double and then Bill Stein followed with a double...

Anybody else remember this or am I dreaming?

Posted by Lenny Randle's Breath

11:44 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Moving Washburn is fine but don't forget about your infield FO! That is the cause of your problems IMHO.

Posted by tugboatcritic

12:04 AM, Jul 27, 2008

glenn, I'm sure you are right. I went to opening night, (still have the stub) and maybe the second or third game. Craig Reynolds still rings a bell and I am far too lazy to look it up. Did you see how dark the Dome looked on the replays ? I was 6 or 7 years old at the time so please forgive my lack of recall.
My thoughts were mostly centered around Dave though, countless summer nights being rocked to sleep on my AM(and FM!, new fangled and all) clock radio. He is an icon.

Posted by dmartin190

12:05 AM, Jul 27, 2008

Moving Washburn is a no-brainer. This team is in need of outfield/power hitting, ready to go talent. If we lose Washburn to save his contract, we still need to acquire talent. Raul would be the player that makes the most sense to swap. In 3-4 days his worth could be at least 1 top-level prospect, at least.

Posted by Victor

1:03 AM, Jul 27, 2008

Moving players........

IT is starting to become pretty obvious based on his play that Ichiro wants out of a Mariners uniform.

How about Ichiro and Washburn for Matsui, Gardner, Ian Kennedy and Jason Jones or Jeffrey Marquez? Matsui becomes the DH and then after next year the M's get compensatory picks. Ian Kennedy & Jones/Marquez gets them 2 young starting Studs and Gardner becomes the M's Centerfielder.

Just a thought................

Posted by Faceplant

3:01 AM, Jul 27, 2008

"IT is starting to become pretty obvious based on his play that Ichiro wants out of a Mariners uniform."

Example?

Posted by Patrick F.

3:33 AM, Jul 27, 2008

It would break my heart to see Ichiro in a Yankees uniform. That's a terrible idea. If the M's traded Ichiro, I would never watch the them or the MLB again. Other than Felix, Ichiro is someone you do not want to trade. It would be a PR nightmare, plus he's easily one of the game's top all-around players. Japanese ownership is not going to trade him, unless he demands. Even then I still don't think they would trade him, because he puts the meat in the seats and brings in a lot of $ for the organization.

The folks who think we should trade Ichiro or think he's the problem, are being ridiculous.

Posted by ls

7:17 AM, Jul 27, 2008

i think most of you are missing the point.

Point--->getting anything for washed up washburn would be optimum. Anything. He's a power lefty whose lost his oompf. Maybe he can throw a split finger once and awhile. Until his elbow gives out. If the frenzy to catch up with the red sox and keep the yankee mystique going means the yankees would give us anyone for him that would be fine with me. Igawa is four years younger than wash, cheaper, and is a lefty with strange japan mechanics. We could at least save money and maybe turn him into a, albeit somewhat expensive, bullpen specialist. Use the difference in salary to get a midrange position player who isnt thirty.

Posted by Chris from Bothell

8:28 AM, Jul 27, 2008

Good lord - Niehaus haters, Ichiro haters... the signal-to-noise ratio on the blog is lower than usual for this one.

Still don't think Washburn for Gardner gets you more than a Reed clone, and that getting Igawa woud be a horrible waste of time. I'd love to be proven wrong on either count, but it just feels like the Yankees are going to fleece the Ms.

Then again, since joining the Yankees 9 days ago ago, Sexson is 1 for 7, with 3 SO, 3 BB and an RBI. Perhaps the Yankees didn't get the bargain there that they thought they would.

Posted by glenn

8:43 AM, Jul 27, 2008

Tug:

I agree with you...listening to Neihaus in those early years of the M's as a kid will be something I always will remember and enjoy. I have been enjoying some of the replays that KOMO has been doing of some of the early highlights (few that there were!) and can remember every one of them and where I was.

As an adult I have traveled all over the country and heard just about every play by play announcer for each team and there are very few that compare with Dave. We should be thankful...

Posted by CheapSeats

8:48 AM, Jul 27, 2008

"The folks who think we should trade Ichiro or think he's the problem, are being ridiculous."

A winning team also puts FANS in the seats. You act like he is going to be in a Mariners uniform for the next 25 years!

Posted by BrianL

8:51 AM, Jul 27, 2008

NoMoMojo - Kevin Calabro recently signed a contract to call games for the Seattle Sounders FC. He is unavailable.

Posted by Lance

9:07 AM, Jul 27, 2008

CFB, are you serious? Is it even possible for anyone to fleece Seattle in any Washburn deal?

Wash would help any team he goes to. But, he's no young ace. To get someone to take on the remainder of that contract alone would make it good for the M's, if they didn't get anything back at all.

Igawa has been pitching well in AAA. He obviously wasn't ready to be New York's answer to Daisuke, but that doesn't mean he won't ever find success in the majors. Getting out of NY would probably do him good. And, that doesn't even include the aspect of pitching to Kenji.

Cabrera is an established major leaguer. Gardner a very good prospect. Getting either for Washburn would be a good thing.

The future can't be predicted. But, some of you have such a defeatist attitude that to you everything is going to turn out back, even when it doesn't. Sometimes I just wish some of you would just go away and take your negativity with you.

Posted by Lance

9:13 AM, Jul 27, 2008

That, turn out bad, not back.

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