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July 31, 2008 8:18 AM

Rhodes gone

Posted by Geoff Baker

The Mariners will officially announce at 9 a.m. that Arthur Rhodes is on his way to the Florida Marlins for pitching prospect Gaby Hernandez. The 22-year-old Hernandez, from Miami, is a Class AA starter, who was in AAA earlier this season before being demoted on July 6. His AAA numbers saw him at 2-8 with a 7.24 ERA. But he's put up decent AA numbers.

He was 3-0 with a 4.30 ERA in four AA starts this year after going 9-11 with a 4.22 ERA in 2007.

His peripheral numbers show a 2-to-1 strikeouts-to-walks ratio. He does seem to walk quite a few guys, but he's young. Command was actually the right hander's forte when he broke in with the New York Mets organization after they made him a third-round pick in 2004 as an 18-year-old. At the time, he projected to be a frontline starter, but those reviews have cooled somewhat. He's a fastball, curveball, changeup guy. Been working on a cutter. Never hurts to have a 22-year-old starter with AAA experience. Rhodes is going to be 39 in October. He wasn't going to help the M's do anything special this year, and likely next.

Besides, if the M's need him so much, they can always try to re-sign him for next year. This was the no-brainer trade. Let's see if anything else happens.

From what I'm told, theTwins have still been calling the M's about Adrian Beltre. But Seattle's asking price has always revolved around starting pitchers Nick Blackburn, Glen Perkins, Scott Baker and Kevin Slowey, or outfielder Denard Span. And the Twins won't do that. As we told you a few weeks back, the Twins feel they're doing the M's a huge favor by taking on the $17 million owed Beltre through 2009 and won't give up any premium in players. That kind of money is a lot for the Twins and they want a bargain someplace. This was never going to happen.

It's the same thing with the San Francisco Giants. They'll have to give up a premium arm and are not prepared to go there. These days, it seems, teams want something for nothing -- at least on the player front. Cash isn't king right now.

OK, it's now 9 a.m., the Mariners have confirmed the deal and interim GM Lee Pelekoudas put out this statement: "We felt the opportunity to acquire a young pitcher made sense as we look towards 2009 and beyond," Pelekoudas said. "Pedro Grifol, our minor league field coordinator, has known Gaby for several years and believes he has a chance to help us in the future."

By the way, I wouldn't get too worked up about his AAA numbers just yet. Remember, the PCL is a pitcher's graveyard and a hitter's paradise. Let's see how he progresses from here. To pick up a young arm for someone like Rhodes, approaching 40 and who wasn't going to contribute to any team success here, makes a lot of sense.

No guarantees Hernandez will amount to anything. But there is a guarantee that Rhodes will be retiring fairly soon. And he's a relief pitcher. This isn't the same as trading Jamie Moyer. You can find new relief pitchers fairly easily. Just not at the trade deadline if you're a contender. But over the winter, they are plentiful. And also, Eric O'Flaherty is still very much in this team's plans despite his year-long struggles.

Also, that Ken Griffey Jr. deal to the White Sox looks to be going down. This will likely spell the end of those Griffey-to-Seattle rumors I haven't stopped hearing about since he came here with the Reds over a year ago. Can't say I'm too upset about it.



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Posted by shane/olympia

8:30 AM, Jul 31, 2008

lets see if anything happens?

something better happen

raul and wash better be gone

.........

also a 21 year old starting pitcher with potential for a 38 year old reliver

solid move

Posted by Patrick from Kent

8:37 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I like this trade. It seems Hernandez just intially struggles while moving up to the next level but the following put up very solid numbers. I read on Baseball America that he figures to be a middle of the rotation guy.

Posted by shane

8:38 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I just hope this is the first domino to fall...

Posted by jp17

8:40 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Hernandez is in AA.

Posted by Casey

8:42 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Whats not to like, a guy who is worth next to nothing for the M's goes to another contender and we get a young pitching prospect. I would remind everyone that Johan Santana had an ERA around 7 his first year in the majors.

Posted by Ms Fan in Exile

8:42 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Now, who gets called up?

Despite last night, I would bring RRS back up, and slide Batista into the pen.

RRS threw 90 pitches last night in 7 innings. Allowed 3 hits and 2 runs. He should be sufficiently stretched out.

Posted by Casey

8:44 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Whats not to like, a guy who is worth next to nothing for the M's goes to another contender and we get a young pitching prospect. I would remind everyone that Johan Santana had an ERA around 7 his first year in the majors.

Posted by scrapiron

8:45 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Baseball HQ rated Gaby Hernandez the Marlins #7 prospect. Here's their report:

Gaby Hernandez RHPÖ..22Ö..2004 (3) high school (FL)

Team (LG) W-L ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBA
============== === ==== ==== === ==== =====
Carolina (SL) 9-11 4.22 153.2 2.0 6.6 245
MLE 9-11 4.99 153.2 1.8 6.1 266
Strengths: 88-93 MPH two-seam fastball and 75-79 MPH curveball. Command. Arm action. Strong frame. Poise
Weaknesses: Deception of 80-83 MPH change-up. Repeating ĺ delivery
Comments: Consistent winner and adapted well to newer mechanics, but base skills declined across the board. Strong frame and arm action gives him durability and ability to hold velocity. Works primarily off of fastball with curveball and change-up interchanged equally.
2008 MLB Role: Number five starter/middle reliever
Potential Rating: 8C
8C = Solid Regular, 50% chance of reaching potential

Posted by Patrick F.

8:47 AM, Jul 31, 2008

A righty named Hernandez? We already have one of those. Just joking. Solid move, with hopefully more to come.

Posted by downonstrikes

8:49 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Gaby. Hmmmm. Two wins eight losses. Sounds like he found a well suited home with the M's. Being young doesn't need to be an excuse for poor pitching, Geoff.

Posted by scrapiron

8:49 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Who gets called up?

My guess is that they call up Jared Wells to take a spot in the bullpen.

I think they'd call up RRS if they deal Washburn today.

Posted by Ms Fan in Exile

8:49 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Hopefully this move pans out better than the last time we dealt a reliever to the Fish for a prospect.

Can't remember the year off-hand, believe it was 03 or 04?

Villone for Bazardo

Bazardo just never panned out, despite having some (read, small sample size) MLB experience.

Posted by Ragarm

8:51 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Arthur has always provided us with some entertainment value along with scattered good pitchinig performances. I wish him well but what we got for him seems pretty insignificant.

Posted by scrapiron

8:55 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Gaby held AA hitters to a .245 BAA in 2007, and AA hitters to a .236 BAA earlier this year. He's struggled since being called up to AAA this year, where the PCL is hitting .335 against him. Just a logical progression as he learns against a new level of hitting. He's not quite ready for MLB, but with another year of adjustments at AAA, he could be a contributor by mid-season 2009. Good pickup.

Never judge a pitcher on his W-L record.

Posted by Brett in Bonney Lake

8:57 AM, Jul 31, 2008

When is RRS' next scheduled start?

Posted by scrapiron

9:00 AM, Jul 31, 2008

M's fan - I wouldn't say Bazardo didn't pan out. The Mariners gave up on him too early. They traded Bazardo to the Tigers in '07 for Jeff Frazier. Jeff Frazier, now there's a bust.

Once Bazardo was traded to the Tigers he finished 9th in the International League in ERA and got called up by the Tigers for a few games. I'd take that return for Ron Villone.

To your point, Bazardo has struggled mightily in '08. But I think the issue is that the Mariners historically "give up" on their prospects too early before getting any production from them.

Posted by byebye

9:02 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I hope Arthur comes back next year. He is a tough pitcher and in a scrap I would always want him on my team. He has had a very good year.

The prospect looks fine to me. It looks like a 50/50 chance he will be productive for the M's.

"Ryan Rowland-Smith (1-0) allowed three hits and two runs in seven innings to earn a win." Another blogger says RRS threw 90 pitches. With the very long relief he has already done, he may be ready for a start with the M's???

byebye

Posted by scrapiron

9:04 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Brett - RRS pitched last night at Tacoma. 7 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K. Impressive outing.

He's scheduled to pitch next Monday, August 4th vs. Albuquerque.

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

9:07 AM, Jul 31, 2008

A pretty low-risk deal for both teams; Hernandez may help the Tacoma Rainiers by next season. The move of Griffey to CWS to me is a welcome sign that the rumors of the M's being sold & Gillick taking on a major role as club president may have legs after all. If it were up to Armstrong, he would trade one of our few good trading chips just to get Jr. back for sentimental reasons. Under a new regime, I would expect a clean sweep to rid the organization of our outdated codgers in the FO (Lincoln, Armstrong, Lee P, et al). Next season will definitely be a rebuilding process and maybe by mid-2010 (hopefully with a rotation headed by Felix & Strasburg), the team will be a contender again.

Posted by BrianL

9:08 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Great work, Lee. This is a good, solid pickup.

Posted by Oly Mike

9:10 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Why is anybody on this blog surprised that the Mariners can get only low level or mediocre players in return during these last minute trades? What do they have to trade but mediocre players? Rhodes is 39 and coming off major arm surgery. The Mariners are lucky they got anybody at all. The same for Washbum. What can you expect for someone that has been essentially a losing pitcher since 2002? Does anyone really think that any rational team (the Mariners are not rational) would trade any significant player for him? It is approaching the "Witching Hour" and I don't expect many demons from this team will be gone. Other teams know they can wait the Mariners out. It looks like we won't see much change until the upcoming off season. Even Mariner heros don't want to come here. Ken griffey just signed with the Whitesox!! That should tell us about where this team stands. in the minds of most rational baseball people.

Posted by Brett in Bonney Lake

9:12 AM, Jul 31, 2008

THanks scrapiron, now I have the decision to make of using my tickets for the Mariners on the 4th or heading to Tacoma and watching RRS.

I am pretty bummed about Griffey going to the Sox. I think this really limits the chances of him coming back here to end his career, and that is the only thing I have been looking forward to about 2009 after this dismal year.

Posted by Walla Walla Girl

9:13 AM, Jul 31, 2008

All the best to Arthur. I have always enjoyed watching him (and the big diamond earrings too). Go get 'em, Arthur!

BTW, thanks for the memorable exit yesterday. That was awesome.

It will be sweet if the young Hernandez proves to be worth something.

Posted by Adam

9:16 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Gaby. Hmmmm. Two wins eight losses. Sounds like he found a well suited home with the M's. Being young doesn't need to be an excuse for poor pitching, Geoff.


Yes, because the best way to judge a pitcher is by wins and losses...

Posted by byebye

9:17 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Geoff, unrelated to curerent topic but a possible future topic: technological balls and strikes.

Is it feasible to use technology to call balls and strikes? If so, will it be tested within the next 5 or 10 years? Would you be for it or against it? Would it improve play?

Does the current tracker have a high and low tailored to each hitter's height?

byebye

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

9:21 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Never hurts to have a 22-year-old starter with AAA experience.


That's what Bavasi said about Marcus Carvajal, Yorman Bazardo, Nathaneal Mateo, Jesse Foppert, Mike Flannery, and Francisco Cruceta. Having AAA experience is meaningless. Talent is what really matters.

Seriously, I did not expect to get much in return from Rhodes. However, Gaby Hernandez was ranked the #6 Florida prospect according to Baseball America before the year started. He is an arm that has good deception on his average fastball velocity, he has a plus curve that is inconsistent, and his inconsistent change was rated as a plus pitch. So like the list of busts above, this kid has potential also.

Posted by Bill

9:24 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Can't complain about this move. However, I would like to see them pick up some position players.

Posted by DC

9:29 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Yes, because the best way to judge a pitcher is by wins and losses...

No, but a 7.24 ERA doesn't look great. Especially when paired with 2-8 record because this implies that he made AT LEAST 10 starts. A 7+ ERA with over 10 starts is is AAA experience, not the kind I'm looking for in prospects.

That said, you never know. Gaby is preferable to 2 months of Rhodes anyday. And btw, I'll echo others and compliment Arthur on a great finish in an M's uniform. Fiery, and deservedly so. I appreciate seeing players get as p*ssed off as I am.

Posted by Mike

9:31 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Hopefully after the dust settles the Ms will stop giving at bats to Vidro, Cairo & Bloomquist and bring up guys like Balentien and Diaz to see what we have in order to begin making evaluations for next year. It really is ridiculous that it hasn't happened yet and makes me think that no matter how well Lee might do today that he's not the right person for the job.

Posted by scottM

9:39 AM, Jul 31, 2008

JOSE GUILLEN SOCIETYĖĖ Official Communiquť

There's the sentimental disappointment of not seeing Griffey come home to Seattle. However, we trust that the Honorable Lee Peleloudas, GM is having conversation with the KC Royal for Jose Guillen. While we believe Carlos Silva has the potential to be a reliable (VS unreliable) innings eater as a #4 or #5 starter, we assert that Guillen brings more intangibles back to the team for '09, ESPECIALLY if the M's keep the infield of Beltre, Yuni, and Lopez intact. In Seattle Guillen has a great niche, but is a clubhouse problem in KC. Silva has dug himself a hole in Seattle and should revert to form as a workhorse pitcher wherever he pitches next year. This trade would solve needs and problems for both clubs.


signed,
JOSE GUILLEN SOCIETY

scottM
and by osmosis
WallaWallaGirl
Frankie

Posted by Walla Walla Girl

9:43 AM, Jul 31, 2008

My thoughts exactly. Thanks, scottM. Consider my signature officially added to your post of 9:39. Get Guillen!!

Walla Walla Girl, member
JOSE GUILLEN SOCIETY

Posted by Mike

9:50 AM, Jul 31, 2008

The problems with Guillen are three-fold. First, he's not hitting as well as last year. His OPS is only .728. That's 11th amongst AL RFers. He also has no range and the Ms desperately need to make their defense better. I am sympathetic that he sucks less than Silva for the same money but that's no reason to bring him back. Wlad could likely put up a similar OPS and get to more balls in the outfield. Who knows, we might even see a young outfielder coming back this way today.

Posted by Lance

9:50 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I just hope Pelekoudas finds better success with Hernandez than Bavasi did with Yorman Bazardo. Who really was never given a chance to help out anywhere.

Or, Jesse Foppert for that matter.

Posted by Mike

9:53 AM, Jul 31, 2008

oops...left off the third part of the three fold problem. 3 years from now we'll still be paying $12M for a broken-down 34 year old hitter.

Posted by Phillie12

9:54 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Bring on the dancing bears.
1.The base running was a mystery again last night. Whereís Reed going on the comebacker with no outs while on second? Any school kid old enough to lead off a base is coached that the rule to advance to third is the ball needs to be hit ďbehind him and by the pitcherĒ. Base coaches remind the runner of this rule all the time. I guess they donít in the bigs? So Reed is hung out on the comebacker but did have enough sense to prolong the rundown to allow Ibanez to advance to second. So when Reed was tagged out going to third, whereís Raul? Standing at first base! Later there was a play at home that generated a little contact. The catcher still easily throw out Lopez advancing to second. Lopez should have make a better read and made it to second easily. He either dogged it or hesitated too long. Little crap like this may not seem too big a deal but over time, these things cost the Mís runs. And God knows they donít have the luxury of pissing away scoring opportunities.
2.Than in the 9th with Ichiro on first and a run down, why is he not stealing. Riggleman has to know lefty does not have a great move yet he doesnít send him. Wow, this is a green-light special to me. You have to take the chance to get him in scoring position, donít you?
3.Can the Mís speed up Batista? God, heís a human rain delay. The infielders could call out for Chinese between pitches. He survived better last night, but his pace and number of pitches canít help the defense. Heís 25 Ė 30 seconds between pitches. Itís agonizing to watch, as well.
4.And lastly, how was Johís throw to second with two outs on the first and third steal? That bad decision allowed the tying run, if Iím not mistaken. His catching has gotten worse and he canít hit. Whatís he making again?
5.Arthur had a bitch on that particular ball-call but what about the previous 11 balls he served up to the get in the spot to load the sacks. He was not squeezed on those. He was all over the place. I replayed the inning and 2 pitches were close and the check swing. Other than that, he was not close

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

9:57 AM, Jul 31, 2008

B.A. prospect book projects Gaby as a backend starter, that's #4 or #5.

Posted by Mister B

10:02 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I'm still undecided about seeing Griffey return in an M's uniform, but I don't think the White Sox trade changes the scenario much.

We all knew Junior wasn't going to come here this season. He wants to play on a contender, after all.

He could still pull an Emmitt Smith, sign a one-day contract and "retire as a Seattle Mariner"

And, who knows, maybe he gets to the Series with the White Sox, then comes back to the M's in 2009 and/or 2010 (but only after looking at the roster then and guessing if we have a shot to contend) and then retires.

Posted by scrapiron

10:02 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Victor Diaz is now 2nd in the PCL in RBIs. And he is blocked by Jose Vidro at DH? C'mon, give him a chance. Release Vidro. Call up Diaz.

If the trade Raul Ibanez the second move of the day would be to call up Wladimir Balentien.

The sooner they make these moves, the sooner I have something to look forward to watching.

Posted by Mike

10:03 AM, Jul 31, 2008

A potential #4 or #5 starter under club control for a 39 year old rent-a-reliever. Not bad at all. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Posted by Oly Mike

10:08 AM, Jul 31, 2008

According to Fox News & ken Rosenthal: "The Yankees, frustrated by their attempts to land Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn, are "kicking around" the idea of adding Indians righty Paul Byrd, according to major-league sources".

At this "moment" it does not look good for trading Washbum to the Yankees. So wait until next year or off-season. Mariner management is just plain bad. They can't even make a obvious trade. Maybe Bonehead could be brought back and he could make another one of his famous trades? Maybe not that is why this team is the mess it is in.

Posted by JP

10:08 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Let's take a look at the moves that Lee has made so far.....

July 31, 2008 Claimed pitcher Luis Munoz off waivers from the Pittsburgh Pirates and optioned him to West Tennessee of the Southern League (AA). (who's this freaking guy?)

July 20, 2008 Activated pitcher J.J. Putz from the 15-day disabled list; optioned pitcher Ryan Rowland Smith to Tacoma of the Pacific Coast League (AAA). (good move stretch out RRS)

July 19, 2008 Recalled first baseman Bryan LaHair from Tacoma of the Pacific Coast League (AAA). (First sign of the youth movement?)

July 12, 2008 Activated pitcher Felix Hernandez from the 15-day disabled list; optioned pitcher Jared Wells to Tacoma of the Pacific Coast League (AAA). (no brainer)

July 11, 2008 Released first baseman Richie Sexson; placed pitcher Erik Bedard on the 15-day disabled list; recalled pitcher Jared Wells and infielder Tug Hulett from Tacoma of the Pacific Coast League (AAA). (should have released Sexson weeks earlier but whatever...)(Tug got a half a cup of coffee in his short stint.)

June 20, 2008 Fired manager John McLaren; named Jim Riggleman interim manager. (Another easy decision.)


So he has fired the manager and outright released Sexson. Traded Rhodes to the Marlins. Am i missing anything here or is Lee's new nickname "CAPTAIN OBVIOUS?"

If he wants to prove he is worthy of the GM post how bout releasing Vidro, demoting Betancourt, trading Washburn, trading Ibanez? Moving Morrow to Tacoma to become a starter? Re-calling RRS, Balentein, Diaz?

Those are all tough GM decisions. The ones he has made to this date have been easy no brainers. Lee has not proven anything to me yet.... Deadline with out clearing waivers is only three hours away... Pressure's on Lee. Show us fans what you can do!

Posted by jake4three

10:09 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Can we stop with the Jared Wells call up idea? If you look at the Rainiers box scores, he gives up a run pretty much every time he pitches. Wells has a 6.65 ERA for the year and a 7.30 ERA with the Rainiers. If people are upset about Hernandez and his AAA ERA, then they should feel even worse about Wells' ERA.

One thing that was failed to mention about Jose Guillen is that he tied for fifth in the AL in RBI. Even though his OPS might not be as good as it was last year, he is still driving in runs, which is one of the M's major faults. I like Guillen, but not the back end of his contract.

Posted by Kelly

10:10 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Always nice to have organizational depth. Let's say that the 22-year-old Hernandez's odds of being a solid #4 starter sometime in the future is only 5%, that's still better than the near 100% odds that Rhodes will be out of baseball in the next two years.

Nice move. I am actually pleased with something the Mariners FO has done. At least, I think that is how I feel. I've never been happy with anything the Mariners FO has done so I'm not sure how it feels.

Chris Antonetti or Kim Ng in '08

Posted by Henry

10:13 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Trade Idea?

Ibanez and Washburn (we pay the rest of this years salary) and either throw in Reed(4th OF) or Cairo (utility) for Neise and Martinez.

Understandable their best two prospects but we wanted two top tier prospects and one mid/top level prospect and salary dump for Wash.

The Yanks are getting all the press in NY and Minaya is itching to get a deal done.

Thoughts?

Posted by Pete

10:14 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I'm not sure why the Griffey trade kills the Griffey-to-Seattle issue. In fact, it eliminates the huge $ option for next year and makes him an outright free agent.

Am I misunderstanding something?

Posted by scrapiron

10:17 AM, Jul 31, 2008

JP - If I'm the M's FO, "Captain Obvious" moves would be all that I'd allow Lee to do. Do you really want an interim GM making major moves that the new GM might not agree with?

Poor talent evaluation allowed this team to be built with players that won't take a walk. We don't need more of the same.

Posted by Ryan

10:23 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Hernandez posted a 7.24 ERA at AAA Albuquerque. The PCL is not a pichers league, by any longshot. Most of those places are really high above sea level where the ball just carries. All kinds of things could factor into that. There are so many more ways to judge pitchers other than by record. Look at Felix, he's 7-6. Would anyone say he's a mediocre pitcher??


I think it was a good move.

Posted by hendjaz

10:25 AM, Jul 31, 2008

SI,com is reporting that Gabby Hernandez was on the table for weeks, implying that this trade was a concession by the M's that they couldn't do better elsewhere. Also speculating in their report that the M's may still wind up trading Washburn to the Yankees with little of value in return and also concede that they couldn't do better after trying elsewhere.

Posted by Jim Luke

10:30 AM, Jul 31, 2008

You should still get rid of Adrian Beltre too much $ so get somebody from the twins like Brian Busher or Boof Bonser which they are willing to trade some how just get rid of Adrian Beltre

Posted by Ryan

10:33 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I have read reports that if the M's trade Beltre, they want Blackburn, Baker, or Slowey and Denard Span.


There's rumors foating around everywhere. This is great!!

Posted by Ryan

10:34 AM, Jul 31, 2008

That would be Minnesota of course. I didn't make myself clear. I also hear the Giants are interested too. Matt Cain anyone??

Posted by Ryan

10:36 AM, Jul 31, 2008

If anyone gets called up to replace Rhodes, it should be Ryan Rowland-Smith. Why on earth would they call up Wells over RRS??

Posted by Bill

10:37 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Interesting that Beltre is to be given the day off today.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6039/news;_ylt=Au6r7Su74ReuQZDZvsbel9mFCLcF

Posted by Scanman

10:37 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Griffey,Griffey, Griffey!! Those of you who keep calling for the return of Junior are looking at the Mís as entertainment. Obviously you really donít care if they win or lose, you enjoy the whole MLB experience, the park, the smells ,the noise. And, that is perfectly okay. But, it does nothing to help this club in the future. A lot of us watch the games to see wins and hopefully championships. We donít need a has-been taking up a roster spot and preventing us from obtaining our goal, we have too much of this now. So, if you enjoy the losing atmosphere, keep calling for Griffey!

Posted by Mr. Sabermetrics

10:42 AM, Jul 31, 2008

DC,

You do know that he's pitching at Albuquerque which is a launching pad, right? ERA is another useless stat if not contrasted with the newer analysis out there.

The kid has serious upside which is backed up by many sources and scouting reports. Carvajal and Bazardo for example were always viewed as flawed with high risk/high reward.

Can we stop critiquing this kid on a AAA record who pitches at a park where hitters rule? Seriously...what did you THINK we'd get for Rhodes? Anybody who thought it would a talent such as Jacobs or whatnot is fooling themselves. This is a smart move by Lee P and I hope it's followed by other smart moves.

Posted by P.S.

Posted by JP

10:47 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Scrapiron- In this case i don't beleive Washburn, vidro, Ibanez to be major moves. I would think that the new GM would approve of dumping Washburns salary even if you don't get anything in return from the simple fact that you open up a spot in the rotation for him to fill with either RRS or a free agent. Vidro has no impact on 09 so releasing him now is not a move that would kill a new GM. Ibanez is a free agent as well so trading him this year for anything is a smart move. Then potentially re-signing him would be in the hands of a new GM to decide in 09.

Calling up AAA players to evaluate talent in whats left of this god forsaken season would help the next GM. It would give him a sample size of at least two months of MLB games to use in evaluating the young talent.

The only move i do not want to see Lee making is moving Beltre. I beleive he has more value and the teams out there right now interested "Twinkies" think they should get him for free. I see this move happening with a new GM. I don't beleive that Lee is qualified to make this move. The difference in this move vs. Washburn is we don't have any 3B in AAA knocking on the door to replace Beltre. However, we do have cheaper options in AAA for starting pitching.

What do you think Scrap? Am i making sense here or am i missing an angle.

Posted by Brennan31

10:48 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Sorry to say for all of us that want Vidro gone, we are going to have to wait at least one more day. They are going to float him through waivers I suspect and hope someone snags him since he has no trade value.

I personally think Rhodes will be only trade of the day for M's. Wash and Vidro will be done later through waivers or outright release.

Guy on KJR this morning said Hernandez had a great spring and just missed being the #5 starter for Marlins. He is a high ceiling guy. Let's just hope he reaches it.

Posted by DC

10:51 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I'm not ripping on the kid or saying he's useless. But for godsakes admit that a 2-8 record and 7.24 ERA do not look good. That's why we got him. The Marlins weren't going to give up a top-tier prospect. They gave up a guy they were previously high on, but he hadn't met expectations.

I am perfectly aware that ERA and W-L aren't everything in evaluating a pitcher. Particularly a minor league pitcher where there is a higher emphasis on player development than winning. But PLEASE don't try and tell me that Albuquerque and the PCL is so hitter friendly that a 7.24 ERA in at least 10 starts is good. It isn't.

Posted by Mark in Kirkland

10:57 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Good luck to Arthur Rhodes. Let's hope he wins a ring with the Fish and then comes back to us next year.

I won't even respond to the peanut gallery assessments of Hernandez. What do you know about AA pitching prospects? Does Pelekoudas come down to Dairy Queen and tell you how to pull a soft-serve cone?

Posted by mikey

11:00 AM, Jul 31, 2008

some of you people were expecting a top tier talent for rhodes? hahahaha you're dumber than the m's FO

Posted by bongo

11:11 AM, Jul 31, 2008

From espn.com:
Sources said the Reds and White Sox will essentially "split" what remains on Griffey's contract this season, along with the cost of his $4 million buyout for 2009. The Reds had a $16.5 million club option for 2009 on Griffey, but Chicago did not have to exercise the option as part of the deal.

Posted by bleacher bum

11:19 AM, Jul 31, 2008

i love arthur. and wish him much luck

Posted by JP

11:22 AM, Jul 31, 2008

MLB trade rumors report a possible Ibanez to the Blue Jays deal.... Now that just does not make sense. They need an outfielder but are they really still contending for a playoff spot? They are 9.5 games out right now and Ibanez is a free agent at the end of the year. Why would they make this move?

Posted by Mike

11:29 AM, Jul 31, 2008

6.5 out of the wildcard?? I think the Jays would be foolish to do this but hey, it's nice seeing other teams be foolish for a change. Florida & the White Sox come to mind.

Posted by Mr. Sabermetrics

11:29 AM, Jul 31, 2008

DC...he's still young and has some good tools. Sometimes you have to WAIT IT OUT....no I won't admit a bad W-L and ERA at AAA (he's been in AA before) is alarming at all BUT you have to admit that a ballpark CAN skew a Pitcher's numbers.

If I used your logic on this I'd have released Johan Santana immediately. Sheesh...scouting reports and peripherals are what matters when judging a kid's upside not a 10 game stint in AAA. Talk about small sample size. If this was a full season, your point would be well taken.

History shows this kid has some upside which makes the trade a good one.

Posted by ancient mariner

11:36 AM, Jul 31, 2008

The Mariners must lead the major leagues in the number of bloated contracts for untradeable players. Sexson (thank goodness he is gone), Vidro, Beltre, Johjima, Erica Bedard, Silva, Washburn and Bautista. Thank you Conehead Bavasi.

Posted by Jonathan

11:39 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I agree Rhodes played with fire, I admire that. Best of luck to him.

On the otherhand I hope for the best with Hernandez. I believe 4 of our 5 starters in the PCL have an ERA over 5.00, I went to a game at Portland and it was a huge hitters park.

A prospect is just that - a project. Hopefully it works out.

Posted by Kyle

12:27 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Great Trade Deadline coverage. Thanks Geoff!

Posted by Matt McMullen

12:27 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Griffey (who would have the 2nd highest OPS on our team right now) will be back in Mariner Blue next year. The Reds and White Sox are splitting his buyout money and therefore will be a free agent at year end.

Again Jr. at DH and Teixeira at 1st is our shot to contend next year.

Posted by tomtom

4:47 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Oly Mike.... well said

ScottM.... LOL... another humorous outlook. You caught the fact that Guillen tested positive for Roids this year, right? Most of his clubhouse stuff originated from Roid Rage.

Some players can't perform without it... which has made me take a second and third look at Morse's career path in Seattle since he tested positive... It has also made me suspicious of Kenji's hallucinations and fragility this year.

I think Kenji was "high" in Texas... Clearly he was throwing to Middle Infielders that were not there, except in his mind.

Also;
An aging Junior was even using Seattle this season, to get placed somewhere else in the NOW. The Reds must have tipped him off early, just like most old war horses hope they will do. At his Day in Seattle, Griffey's smile was there but his heart wasn't really in it. The formal celebration, however sentimental it was portrayed was an exhibit to baseball managers everywhere... It said "see, even Juniors old team still loves him, so please give him a new home." His Family, particularly his teenage son: thought Seattle's restatement of the old glory days.... was occasion for being impudent towards the ridiculous. M's fans have to remember, he requested the original trade to get out of Seattle and back to his hometown.

AURTHUR's NIGHT in TEXAS... he made it plain enough for even me to see. He walked three straight guys and then boycotted the Umpire with an improptu team meeting on the mound when the Coach didn't take him out. The TRACER revealed that the pitch in question was a Ball not a Strike, and I think he knew it. It was SCAPEGOAT TIME. No doubt Arthur's comment to the Umpire after Kenji streaked a ball into CF, contained Satanic references towards the Umpire's mother, and implied indignant racist remarks.

The well respected Texas GM was sitting behind the Ranger dugout, the Game was broadcast three times in 8 hours even in the NW....and so everybody around baseball saw ANOTHER big baby from Seattle trying to act like a Manny. So to keep the Umpire's Union happy, to keep the hosting Rangers at peace, and to send a warning to the worst team in baseball, who didn't think Riggleman was in control at the time... ARTHUR got traded for two rolls of toilet paper and a AA bench warmer.

I have no doubt that we will discover the skeletons in the new guys closet soon enough. There may be a wife beater or a transvestite in there with the guys dirty laundry. So I think the Trade was clearly a "GET OUT OF TOWN, you idiot" type statement.

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