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July 31, 2008 8:55 PM

M's hang on, beat Rangers

Posted by Geoff Baker

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It looked for the longest time like the red dot had a better shot at winning tonight than the Texas Rangers. That is, until the bullpen made things interesting in the ninth. The Mariners opened up a 6-0 lead by the fourth inning and rode R.A. Dickey's arm most of the way. But the bullpen, up by six in the ninth, yielded three runs before hanging on for an 8-5 win.

Mark Lowe had some trouble in the ninth, yielding three straight hits and a run. J.J. Putz came on from there and served up a two-run double to Frank Catalanotto. After a lineout by Michael Young, Putz struck out Josh Hamilton to end the game. Some sweaty palms there.

Dickey held the Rangers scoreless through seven innings before serving up a two-run homer to Ramon Vazquez in the eighth.

It was big for Dickey on so many levels. The last time he pitched here was in his one and only start of the 2006 season. He was starting for the Rangers and tied a modern day major league record by yielding six home runs in just 3 1/3 innings against the Detroit Tigers.

"It's mainly personally satisfying,'' he said of tonight's return. "It's not like I have any type of vendetta against the Rangers for not keeping me here. But it is satisfying for me, because the last time I was on this field, things didn't go so well.''

The two pitchers he's tied with for the dubious record? Fellow knuckleballers Tim Wakefield and Charlie Hough.

The team needed the innings tonight. The Arthur Rhodes trade left the bullpen short an arm. That arm will be replaced with a roster move tomorrow. Another lefty is likely needed, so Ryan Rowland-Smith can be called up. The thing is, Dickey can also neutralize lefties, which would enable the team to put him in the bullpen and try Rowland-Smith as a starter.

Tonight's Dickey outing might make folks think twice about that.

"Dickey did a great job,'' Mariners manager Jim Riggleman said. "From the second night of the series, we needed somebody to go deep in the game. It was real big that Dickey gave us so much time out there.''

Yes, Miguel Batista went six innings last night. But Riggleman explained how even that isn't always enough for a bullpen.

"Any time a starter gives you more than six, you're going to have some pretty good matchups for your bullpen the rest of the way.''

In the end, he allowed the two runs over 7 2/3 innings. Jose Lopez did indeed extend his hitting streak, to 18 games, with a single in the eighth. His bat is staying strong.

I caught up with Raul Ibanez earlier on today and asked him about the trade rumors. He said his phone battery went dead from all the calls he kept getting from family and friends. He kept trying not to take them, or pay attention to the rumors because they were immensely distracting.

He said the team will miss Arthur Rhodes, who was one of the group of clubhouse leaders who tried to keep things running normally this season. In the case of Rhodes and the bullpen, it seemed to work. The releivers are the best group of performers this team has.

They all looked up to Rhodes. Many watched him pitch on TV when they were just kids. He told the, how to behave in public, how to act like pros. He got on them when they weren't working hard enough behind the scenes. Or when he felt they weren't conducting themselves like big leaguers on the field or away from it.

"He wasn't afraid, if guys showed up late, to go up and let the guy know,'' Ibanez said.

He was a big believer in the concept of "service time" and the clubhouse pecking order. In other words, that younger players should know their place and respect others in the game. Not to the point of being a jerk. He was always there to help a younger pitcher. But he wanted them to respect the game and act like they belonged there.

And they listened to him. He commanded their respect. Of all the problems this team has had, the bullpen has arguably been responsible for the fewest. Rhodes had plenty to do with that. Especially after George Sherrill, second-oldest releiver on last year's team, was traded, and J.J. Putz got hurt. Rhodes was there to pick up the slack.

"There's different elements of style,'' Ibanez said of clubhouse leaders. "His was a more vocal, in-your-face type of thing.''

From my experience covering teams, though, it's tough for relievers to carry that over to the rest of their teammates. They are usually better at policing other relievers.

Those I spoke to said Rhodes was a great guy away from the ballpark, not afraid to have fun. But at the park, he was all business and expected others to behave the same way.

"Just the other day, on the board, someone wrote that we’d be able to wear jeans on the team plane,'' reliever Mark Lowe said. "I asked Arthur about it and he said he was going to wear a suit. I asked him why he'd want to do that and he told me 'Because I'm a professional and that's how it's done.' ''

This team will miss him.


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Posted by brock

8:06 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Keep Dickey in the rotation. He's earned it with his consistency. To put him back in the pen so Silva and Batista can continue to start just because their high paid starters is dumb. And if Silva has a back problem put him on the DL.

Posted by Sounders

8:08 PM, Jul 31, 2008

GOOF-8, Rangers-5. Yay

Posted by Sounders

8:11 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Just Say No

Posted by Losers

8:41 PM, Jul 31, 2008

ESPN take on the Marilosers:

If ever there was a team that should have used this deadline to clear out as much money, dead weight and extraneous parts as it could export, weren't the Mariners it?

So how could this deadline have come and gone, with only Arthur Rhodes driving into the sunset? How could Raul Ibanez still be there? How could Jarrod Washburn still be there? How could one-third of that roster not have been traded over the last couple of weeks?

"I'm cutting them a little slack," said one rival GM. "They're leader-less right now."

True, they have an interim GM (the well-liked Lee Pelekoudas) and an owner in Japan and an uncertain chain of command. But they angered teams they spoke to with what were widely viewed as outrageous demands. And the bottom line is, this deadline represented a lost renovation opportunity in the middle of an already-lost season. And how many lost opportunities can clubs like this afford?

"I really don't know how to describe that club right now," said one AL executive. "It just seems to be a train wreck out there."

Posted by Weight what problem?

8:43 PM, Jul 31, 2008

I don't know if its a back problem or a weight problem but usually the two go hand in hand. You have to have a strong core to ever rebound from back injury. Very bad stuff. He will likely need to shed 50 or 60 pounds and do lots of strengthening and stretching exercises to get over it. I am sure it will happen in the off season what getting paid 12 Million a year and all

Posted by Mr. Garrison

8:46 PM, Jul 31, 2008

How bout that defense by Cairo. Man he can sure sail a ball over the head of a first baseman can't he? No wonder why we can't give Beltre any more time off.

So Vidro is still on the team. Seems he is just to important at protecting Ibanez to just be cut. And until Putz is healthy enough we are going to see Morrow's future stalled.

And how bout Mr. Lee. Wow outstanding job this at the deadline. I mean really the way you maneuverured and put the other GM's on notice that you won't be taken advantage of....i mean it was epic! I know five years from now i will still be talking about the time that there was this interim GM who had such big cajones and took on the evil empire that is the Yankees. He stared them straight in the eye and said. No we would rather eat ten million then take a lousy prospect. Wow i mean you are just so freaking awesome. You have my vote.....for freaking idiot of the year!

Posted by Brett in Bonney Lake

8:59 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Odds are that when Silva kissed Corcoran he thought it said Corndog and was trying to eat him.


This lineup wasn't too bad with what they have, but I still can't believe Washburn, Ibanez, Cairo, and Vidro are still on the roster.

What the heck was the point of sending RRS to Tacoma for a single start?

Posted by wag the dog

9:03 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Seems like it would be hard to make trades when you're interim GM - it's not your team, not your vision. Or easy because hell, if you blow it, you're probably not going to be around long enough for anyone to really blame you anyway. Besides, with the mess that is the Mariners, just about anything other than what is would be an improvement.

The bummer in this situation, or so it seems to me, is that a guy like Washburn probably won't ever have a higher value than he had today. If that's salary relief and a mid-level prospect, oh well. I can understand the Mariners being of a mindset that they want to take advantage of other teams the same way they've been taken advantage of in the past, but it's just not in the cards right now.

I'm still holding out hope that we'll look back on this season as a blessing in disguise. It strikes me as an unequivocal indictment of the Mariner roster building/player acquisition philosophy. If this sort of train wreck serves to get the Mariners on a new track, I think it's worth it. Better than continuing to wallow in mediocrity and honestly, much as it sucks to say, that has been the Mariners for the past seven seasons. The stink isn't new, it has just become unbearable.

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

9:25 PM, Jul 31, 2008

I agree with Wag the Dog's post that this season may be a blessing in disguise - when things are this bad, there is no denying that changes need to be made. Lincoln's humble demeanor at the Bavasi firing press conference was very much out of character for a guy who normally seems so arrogant. It doesn't look like we will "earn" the right to draft Strasburg as the Nationals have lost 9 straight and are in more disarray than the M's, believe it or not. I'm hopefuly Yamauchi will be selling the team to Chris Larson however if he holds onto the club, some definite changes are in order beginning with the firing of Armstrong, the inept club president in charge of baseball operations. Nintendo shares have tripled because of the Wii phenomenon and Mr. Y. is now the richest man in Japan at age 80. If 21-year old Japanese phenom pitcher Yu Darvish is posted this off-season, Mr. Y. could go from being vilified to being a hero in one fell-swoop. Will cost at least $75m just for the posting fee however this guy is reportedly better than Dice K and is still developing.

Posted by Brett in Bonney Lake

9:28 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Wekk, yeah, I don't want an interim guy handling Bedard, but getting something for Ibanez and Washburn when their value is highest is a move you have to make.

The good news is that Lee held firm, which is a nice change. If Bavasi was still around, Washburn would be wearing pinstripes and Seattle would be picking up the tab for next year.

Posted by Ragarm

9:30 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Congratulations R.A. Dickey. It's nice to see you win. You've struggled to get here and you've worked hard to perfect your pitching style and whats more, you appreciate the opportunity to play in the bigs. As a fan I love the fact that you talk nicely to the media, you don't make excuses, and you seem genuinely happy and proud to be where you are now.

If Riggleman puts Dickey back in the bullpen it would be one more move that zaps morale and hurts the team. Reward the achievers, sir.

Posted by Lenny Randle's Breath

9:38 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Did Arthur remove his earings on the plane?

jk, I will miss him. Easy player to cheer for.

IMHO at least one major position player should have been moved. Even if it was a one for one.

Looks like Yuni is going to sit more often.
I hope the team can get turned around.

Posted by Jonathan

9:48 PM, Jul 31, 2008

New Rotation

Felix
Washburn
Silva
Dickey
RRW

Hopefully by the time Bedard gets back we wither place Washburn on waivers and move him or we just move Silva to the bullpen.

Posted by meagain

9:54 PM, Jul 31, 2008

One comment re Yamauchi. He is a hero already. With some help, he saved the team for Seattle in 1995. Judging by some of the posts here today, a few were in diapers at that time. Maybe another owner can do a better job at this juncture, but if you like having major league baseball in Seattle, you should never forget what he did.

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

10:05 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Meagain: Yamauchi did step forward in 1992 at the behest of Slade Gorton to save the franchise for Seattle (not 1995). There is a point in time however that you need to pay some attention to your assets or move on and sell the club to local ownership. Sort of like absentee property owners who don't look in on their properties. If you have a local owner ready and willing to purchase the club at a fair price, I think it would be best to sell the team. On the other hand, it Mr. Y wants to continue owning the team, he needs to the product being put on the field and not just how much money the team is pulling in.

Posted by meagain

10:16 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Top Pick: You're right about the dates. And by the way, my comment about diapers was not directed toward you--I'm still chafed by some nasty, puerile language in earlier posts today. I should have made that clear.

People, again not necessarily you TP, write about Yamauchi here as though they were privy to his thoughts. I'm not, so I won't try to state what he's thinking these days. We all see the results, and he's the owner. So there's plenty of room for improvement.

I just wrote something that's been on my mind lately, every time someone takes a shot at Yamauchi. Yours remarks were more reasonable than most, actually.

Posted by SI.com M's review

10:18 PM, Jul 31, 2008

""The disappointment of the division -- not surprisingly -- was Seattle, a team that badly needs a makeover but was stymied because of an interim general manager who may have had his hands tied at the trading deadline. The Mariners talked about moving pitcher Jarrod Washburn (to the Yankees), third baseman Adrian Beltre (to the Twins), pitcher Erik Bedard (no takers) and outfielder Raul Ibanez (to several places). All they did in July was release the disappointing Richie Sexson, who was then picked up by the Yankees, and send reliever Rhodes to the Marlins. Nobody in a right mind would pick the Mariners to compete in '09 without a blockbuster winter."

It sucks being an M's fan.

At least Dickey won, bringing us one step closer to not nailing down the number 1 overall pick in the draft next year

Posted by Kim Ng

10:28 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Don't worry blogger boys. Kim is on the way.

Posted by Dave's Not Here

10:41 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Mixed emotions...a Seattle win means nothing this year. And with the lack of trades, the M's will be singin' the same song next year. On the positive side, we still have Raul, Adrian and Ichiro...a great core to build from. Assuming there's anything to build with. We've also got pitching from Morrow, Washburn and Dickey to work with...at this point, I would rather see consistent pitching, as in 'consistently good'. Right now, the M's can't look to Competing, let alone Winning, every time out. 'Train Wreck' indeed.

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

10:45 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Keep Dickey in the rotation. He's earned it with his consistency.

Dickey was 1-6 with a 6.06 ERA in nine starts this season prior to tonight. He has been the model of inconsistency. A world beater tonight, and shelled for 8 runs his previous start.

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

10:48 PM, Jul 31, 2008

Rhodes was there to pick up the slack.

"There's different elements of style,'' Ibanez said of clubhouse leaders. "His was a more vocal, in-your-face type of thing.''

But I thought the M's clubhouse had no leadership? What gives?

Posted by Jesus

12:02 AM, Aug 01, 2008

If we want to dump salary, don't forget that Beltre and Washburn can both be placed on waivers in August. If another team claims them, we are relieved of their salary. If nobody claims them, we have until August 31st to trade them.

While we may wish that the Mariners had made moves to make moves, this is actually a bad long-term idea. Chances are the Mariners will be in a similar situation this year. This year's relative inactivity shows other teams that the Mariners are not just going to take whatever they can get. Threats the Mariners make about not making deals to make them are far more credible if they have a history of following through on that.

Posted by ethan

12:02 AM, Aug 01, 2008

what..18, 20 men left on base? good job, M's

Posted by Sounders

12:10 AM, Aug 01, 2008

New Flash: GOOF team president Chuck Armstrong announced today that the M's are "shooting for contention in 2056."

Go GOOF

Posted by AJ

12:14 AM, Aug 01, 2008

Apparently the trade deadline brings out the best of Mariner fans. Who are these people commenting tonight? After a couple years of reading, but never posting, I was finally compelled to write something to calm the people of Seattle down.

Lee Pelekoudos did an excellent job at this year's deadline.

Lee traded a 37 year old with recent arm problems for a 22 year-old with significant potential to crack the rotation next year.

Lee also decided to keep Ibanez around for a few more months at a reasonable salary. When he leaves this off season, the M's will receive two compensatory picks at the end of the first round. These picks were better than anything the Blue Jays, Mets, or Cubs were offering. ESPN's experts see Lee's demands as unreasonable, but, for once, our GM made a smart baseball move for the future of the organization. Was Adam Lind really going to be a cornerstone for years to come?

Vidro had no trade value and will be released before his option vests.

We demanded some good players for Beltre and did not receive them. Instead we are left with a league average contract for a Gold Glove 3rd basemen with legitimate power. And to think we could have had Tui (and his .255 average with Tacoma) starting the rest of the season.

And the biggest oversight of the day: Washburn can still be traded for another month. Someone will assume his contract, either by trade, or a waiver claim.

So, we got a decent prospect for nothing. Two first round picks by not trading Ibanez. And $14 million in salary relief when Washburn is picked up. How is that an "unequivocal indictment" of poor management?

Posted by Harold

12:28 AM, Aug 01, 2008

pretty cool for Dickey to go out and beat the team that gave up on him.

Bloomquist might not be a bad option for the M's at this point. Betancourt is not providing much.

as a loyal Yankee hater, it was good to see Pettitte get shelled by the Halos. I guess the Yanks don't need Washburn haha

good luck to you Arthur! It was good to have you back in a Mariners uni!

Posted by ricofoy

1:36 AM, Aug 01, 2008

I see that McLovin Pelokoudas does read this blog. He posts too..under AJ. Gaby's going to crack the rotation next year? LMFAO
It must be his sterling 7+ ERA in AAA this year. The 2-8 record. The 1.86 whip. The 14 homers allowed in 64 innings.
Yes sir McLovin, you sure did fleece the Marlins - you savvy traveling secretary you.

Posted by Stat Prof

6:47 AM, Aug 01, 2008

What's the big deal about Washburn. He will be just a valuable to the Yankees tomorrow as he was yesterday. Since the Yankees weren't offering anybody back who wouldn't clear waivers, there's no difference.

As for Raul. You don't make the deal unless what you get back is better than the draft picks we would get when he leaves.

Posted by byebye

7:16 AM, Aug 01, 2008

I agree with Ragarm.

Posted by Ragarm

"Congratulations R.A. Dickey. It's nice to see you win.
If Riggleman puts Dickey back in the bullpen it would be one more move that zaps morale and hurts the team. ...Reward the achievers, sir."

Also, we delt Arthur and rightly so but that means we may be a lefty short. Don't change RRS or Dickey's careers because we are a lefty short.
Also, Morrow should be groomed to start regardless of the teams' needs in the pen. The only good thing about this season is the M's can forget about winning the next game and focus on development.

byebye

Posted by Waz

8:16 AM, Aug 01, 2008

About time Mariners finally won, well barely in ninth inning.

Now it's time to bring V. Diaz and R. Rowland-Smith to Mariners from Tacoma. Diaz for DH, Rowland-Smith for Starter to replace Batista or Silva. Send Vidro and Batista/Silva to Tacoma.

Posted by downonstrikes

8:18 AM, Aug 01, 2008

And why is Vidro still on the team? Why? Why?

Why do we start back-up utility players almost every night? Why? Why?

Why did we have nothing of value to offer other teams at trade time? Why? Why?

Where is Mr. Yamauchi and why doesn't he care? He cared enough to buy the team, but stays away and hides letting it flounder. Why? Why?

Posted by mclovin

8:55 AM, Aug 01, 2008

AJ- You are making a lot of assumpitons here. You assume that we will get two future picks for Ibanez when he signs with another team as a free agent. What if the team that signs him is the Mariners? Now we get nothing in the form of picks or prospects. I bet right now he will be back with us next year. M's love to bring back aging players cause the fans love them even though they are on the decline. (not his offense his defense is on the decline.)

You assume that Washburn will be claimed on waivers. Correct me if im wrong here but if the M's put him on waivers and nobody claims him once he clears waivers doesn't the team that picks him up only on the hook for pro rated minimum salary this year and next but the M's would still be on the hook for his Guranteed contract of 10 mil in 09?

You assume that the M's will release Vidro before he vests? Come on when have you seen them do something intelligent over the last four years. Riggleman will keep playing him so he gets his AB's and we will be stuck paying the bill next year. Plus he is just way to valuable protecting Ibanez...

Posted by mclovin

9:17 AM, Aug 01, 2008

Jayson Stark words on M's lack of moves yesterday.

If ever there was a team that should have used this deadline to clear out as much money, dead weight and extraneous parts as it could export, wasn't Seattle it?

So how could this deadline have come and gone with only Rhodes driving into the sunset? How could Ibanez still be there? How could Jarrod Washburn still be there? How could one-third of that roster not have been traded in the past couple of weeks?

"I'm cutting them a little slack," one rival GM said. "They're leader-less right now."

True, they have an interim GM (the well-liked Lee Pelekoudas) and a confusing ownership arrangement and an uncertain chain of command. But they angered teams they spoke to with what were widely viewed as outrageous demands. And the bottom line is that this deadline represented a lost renovation opportunity in the middle of an already-lost season. And how many lost opportunities can clubs like this afford?

"I really don't know how to describe that club right now," one AL executive said. "It just seems to be a train wreck out there."

A TRAIN WRECK? WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE LEAGUE. NOBODY RESPECTS US. ALL OF THE FO NEEDS TO GO.

Posted by Donovan

9:19 AM, Aug 01, 2008

Most of the missed trade "deadline" rants here seem to be motivated by frustration over a lost season rather than any rational analysis. Those are exactly the sentiments that the M's should ignore. When their priority becomes proving something to angry mobs of fans by generating heat and changing faces, then they are truly lost. All of the rumored trade pieces they still hold continue to have value in August and beyond. Washburn's salary can be moved any time in the next month if nobody is offering desirable prospects in return. Raul will bring back high compensatory picks if he walks (likely better than anything Toronto offered). The M's may just sign him to DH next year, and that would be fine. I'll take that over any Bluejay castoffs. Trading Putz right now would be crazy unless you believe his career is over. The likelilhood of him bouncing back next year is high, and he's signed for two more years with a 2011 option. Why move him? Beltre is a guy I'd build my team around, but he can be marketed better in the off-season if you think there is a better 3B option. I can't say why Vidro is still around, but obviously he can be cut at any time. The July 31 deadline was always a non-event as far as the M's were concerned. In fact, I'd say that, failing a can't refuse trade offer from a desperate contender (which was always a longshot), the best the M's could have done in trade negotiations was establish that they weren't going to be patsies for the rest of the league anymore. Unless somebody has inside knowledge about great prospects the M's passed on, I'd say they handled it just right. I like Jayson Stark, but his ESPN.com piece was clearly sourcing angry contender GMs who didn't get the spare parts for cheap like they feel they are entitled too. I've yet to read anything that makes me think the M's passed on a good trade offer.

Yes our team still sucks, but shufflling the deck without significantly increasing the talent pool isn't a step forward. It's a step sideways. Fan impatience to see action, while understandable, shouldn't factor into the decision one iota. The only thing that matters is what roster we field next Spring. Anybody who thought we were going to get better this year was naive.

Posted by ricofoy

9:32 AM, Aug 01, 2008

From the NY Post regarding Washburn:
The Mariners were angry that discussions on this front had leaked into the media and the perception had formed that the Yanks would be fleecing Seattle.
Unbelievable - is this team run by a bunch of little girls? Actually, that's an insult to little girls everywhere. They're worried about perception? How could the perception of this FO be any worse than it already is?
This has to be the most dysfunctional FO in the history of the game.

Posted by ricofoy

9:33 AM, Aug 01, 2008

From the NY Post regarding Washburn:
The Mariners were angry that discussions on this front had leaked into the media and the perception had formed that the Yanks would be fleecing Seattle.
Unbelievable - is this team run by a bunch of little girls? Actually, that's an insult to little girls everywhere. They're worried about perception? How could the perception of this FO be any worse than it already is?
This has to be the most dysfunctional FO in the history of the game.

Posted by Donovan

9:40 AM, Aug 01, 2008

Ah yes, The Post. That great bastion of clearheaded, objective thinking - especially concerning matters related to NYC sports franchises.

The Yanks are in real trouble with their rotation. Seattle's season was over in late May. NY is still in the playoff hunt, and their fans will not be very forgiving if they miss out. Cashman is the idiot. He should have given the M's whatever they wanted for Washburn. I'd say he still has to make a deal for Wash or some other starter.

Posted by Ziasudra

9:45 AM, Aug 01, 2008

To Donovan - I haven't noticed you posting lately - it's good to have you back. This blog needs all the sensible posts it can get.
PS - I never bother to read Stark, anyway.

Posted by Stat Prof

9:49 AM, Aug 01, 2008

You assume that Washburn will be claimed on waivers. Correct me if im wrong here but if the M's put him on waivers and nobody claims him once he clears waivers doesn't the team that picks him up only on the hook for pro rated minimum salary this year and next but the M's would still be on the hook for his Guranteed contract of 10 mil in 09?

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That would only be true if the Ms released him. Since the supposedly the Yankees were willing to pay his salary, but not part with prospects, for them to claim him off waivers would have exactly the same effect.

If he clear waivers, his status is exactly the same as it was on July 31 - tradeable. The only thing that would have changed is the fact that prospects coming back to the Ms would either have to have also clear waivers, or not be on the 40 man roster. (Actually anybody traded to the Ms would really only have to get by Nats and Padres, because claims made by teams with records better than the Ms would be inconsequential)

Posted by ricofoy

9:52 AM, Aug 01, 2008

You must not read the same Post I do - their sports section is one of the best in the business.
Sherman, Vaccaro, Kernan - all top sportswriters.
They also spend as much print skewering the Yanks and Mets as opposing teams so I'm not sure where your "lack of objectivity" comment comes from.

Posted by Scanman

10:01 AM, Aug 01, 2008

Donovan, I concur with your thoughts this morning. I for one am glad Lee held out like he did. I am convinced that to add marginal minor leaguers to the ones we already have would be folly. We needed front liners and the rest of the league did not step up to the plate and take a full cut. They were looking for a free pass and Lee refused to buckle like his predecessor would have, a small step in the right direction. NOW FOR MY RANT. I sure hope this woe-begotten team doesnt go on a winning streak now that the deadline is past. We need that 1st draft pick!!!

Posted by Bill

10:04 AM, Aug 01, 2008

I don't know how anyone could possibly take the "everything's going to be alright" approach with this team. What have they done to make you think they are capable of turning this team into a consistent winner?


How do you know the M's don't offer Ibanez an extension and have him playing LF next year? This is the same team that extended Kenji for no reason.

Posted by Scanman

10:15 AM, Aug 01, 2008

It seems like a lot of us are confused as to the term TRADE. Normally it involves the exchange of equal values. What some of you are calling for is called a GIVE AWAY. It seems like Lees view is leaning more to the equal value side.

Posted by Donovan

11:58 AM, Aug 01, 2008

Ricofoy - No slam on individual sportswriters intended, but my point was that the NY Post is not very objective when it comes to the Yankees. Their focus when it comes to any blown deal for Washburn is that the Yanks are probably screwed without more pitching, so naturally they are pretty upset that a deal didn't happen. More to the point, their sources are almost certainly upset Yankee execs, and I would expect the tone of their assessment to reflect that. It was a blow to their 2008 chances not to get him. What have the M's lost by waiting? Nothing substantial that I can see.

Posted by desert dawg

7:52 AM, Aug 02, 2008

Not sure if this was posted but here's an interesting article in the PI.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/373303_kolloen02.html

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