Geoff Baker covers the Mariners for The Seattle Times. He provides daily coverage of the team throughout spring training, and during the season.
July 8, 2008 8:37 PM
Posted by Geoff Baker
Blink and you might miss this game. It's already the eighth inning, with the Mariners down 2-0. A great game pitched by Carlos Silva so far. And the M's have finally started to "work" Justin Duchscherer, making him throw 30 pitches the last two innings. But Duchscherer enters the eighth with only 79 pitches thrown. He's working on a two-hitter. The M's have just four runs in their last 31 innings. Zero in their last 16.
For those of you asking about the ethics behind Pat Gillick perhaps wanting to overpay in an Erik Bedard trade now, as GM of the Phillies, so he'd have some talent in Seattle as the rumored incoming president of the Mariners, I'd say that's an intriguing question. There is no way to guard against it. Gillick would never sabotage his current team. He has a reputation as a winner, a guy who puts teams over the top. He'd love to do it with the Phillies. But giving away prospects? Who would not be missed by the 2008 Phillies? Well, he's also got the reputation as a guy who leaves farm systems in disarray after he uses them up acquiring players in "win now" fashion.
But could you ever prove he was willingly playing both ends against the middle? Nope. Especially not with his reputation for wanting to win now and being willing to sacrifice prospects. That's his M.O. If he keeps doing it, no one can call foul, can they? Especially if the Phils were to get in a bidding war with, say, the St. Louis Cardinals and an extra player needed to be thrown in to sweeten the pot? It would be a very unusual situation, no doubt. I'm sure that if Gillick is now entertaining any thoughts of joining the M's next season, he would not do anything silly that would warrant an investigation later on. Like an out-and-out fleecing of his own farm system. But then again, what is a fleece? The M's gave up five players for Bedard. If Gillick gives up four, is that a fleece? He'll just say the market for Bedard was set by Bill Bavasi.
In the end, the game relies on integrity. All sports do, to a certain extent. When that integrity gets sullied, by gambling, steroid use and other stuff, the sports themselves suffer. I don't think Gillick, at his age and with what he's accomplished in baseball, would do anything to embarrass himself or his legacy. It's just not worth it. For what? So, he can get the M's to the playoffs again? He wouldn't even be the GM, the way the rumor goes. But if some fans think the M's received a player too many in a deal, well, it would lead to interesting coffee table discussion, that's for sure. But we're a long way from that.
7:52 p.m.: Four innings complete here and the Mariners have seen a grand total of 33 pitches. Yes, just about eight per inning. The major league record is in big trouble. Well, no. Charley "Red" Barrett of the Red Sox needed only 58 in a nine-inning game in 1944. Carlos Silva actually has the best mark of the past half-century, needing 74 to get through nine innings with the Twins back in 2005. Silva trails 2-0 as we head to the fifth inning. M's still don't have a hit.
7:31 p.m.: It's now 2-0, A's in the lead, as we head to the third inning. Oakland scored another run off Carlos Silva in the second when Kurt Suzuki and Jack Hannahan notched back-to-back singles with one out. Suzuki took third on the play and later scored on a sacrifice fly to center by Donnie Murphy.
Six up, six down for the M's hitters so far. Justin Duchscherer needed only 14 pitches to get through two innings.
7:16 p.m.: Carlos Silva gives up a first inning run to fall behind 1-0 as we head to the second. Silva yielded a leadoff single to Ryan Sweeney, who advanced to second on a groundout and third on a flyout. He then came home on a single to center by Emil Brown.
Seattle went 1-2-3 in quick fashion against Justin Duchscherer in the top of the inning, with a pair of groundouts sandwiched around a flyout.
51 Ichiro RF
16 Willie Bloomquist SS
28 Raul Ibanez LF
3 Jose Vidro DH
29 Adrian Beltre 3B
8 Jeremy Reed CF
44 Richie Sexson 1B
9 Jeff Clement C
13 Miguel Cairo 2B
52 Carlos Silva RHP
15 Ryan Sweeny RF
14 Mark Ellis 2B
32 Jack Cust DH
8 Emil Brown LF
28 Carlos Gonzalez CF
45 Wes Bankston 1B
24 Kurt Suzuki C
22 Jack Hannahan 3B
12 Donnie Murphy SS
58 Justin Duchscherer RHP
Posted by GripS
7:25 PM, Jul 08, 2008
1-2-3 in quick fashion in the second as well.
This is already looking like the team we were too used to seeing up until a couple of weeks ago. Here we go again up to the all start break. Probably beyond even....
Hey Vidro... do you even care anymore? You can't possibly suck this bad for this long. I mean.... what have you done recently.... anything?
Posted by Ziasudra
7:25 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Usually when we're behind 2-0, we've lost the game already. Tonight, the 1-0 may be adequate.
Posted by Nat
7:28 PM, Jul 08, 2008
This would be an excellant game to miss, but for those of us watching it may be the quickest game of the season.
Niehaus and Blowers talking about whether the A's, in light of this trade today, have thrown in the towel for their season. Of course it is, how could anyone think otherwise? I guess for the M's announcers it's too hard to be so blunt.
Posted by GripS
7:32 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Lol.... same goes for you Silva.... REALLY??? Are you gonna suck it up AGAIN???
Was this guy EVER good or is he injured the whole time like Batista is using for his excuse for sucking.
Posted by Carlos
7:51 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Good to see the Big Bopper, Babe Ruth Jr., superman of ungodly power, Jose Vidro hitting cleanup again. I don't know what we's do without his dynamic bat in the lineup. Vidro got shafted by not being named to the All-Star team. Vidro would have cleaned house in the Home Run derby. I bet if Vidro was in the derby all the other participants would just quit, that's how much power Vidro has. I can't believe no one but me sees this. Vidro for president of the USA! Vidro could solve all the hunger issues in the world if he wanted to. I bet Vidro could win American Idol too. That's just how goddamn awesome Vidro is! And that hairdo! Oh my God! His hairdo is sooooooo freakin COOL!
VIVA VIDRO!!!! MARINERS MVP!!!!
Posted by Ms Fan in Exile
7:57 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Thanks for the answer! I had just made the same point in your Beane Strikes Again blog entry about Gillick's habit of leaving farm systems in the dumps, before reading this one.
I could see it happening, but I highly doubt it. Not with our current F.O. anyway. I have very little confidence in current management to make ANY deal that would benefit us. I think most of the blame can be laid upon ownership (read: Johjima's extension, for starters, if rumors are correct), but Lincoln and Armstrong must also bear their burdens.
I believe that wholesale housecleaning, starting with a new majority owner, would go a long ways to bringing us back to respectability. I disagree that Gillick as President is the answer. We need to go with new blood, in a new direction. I would like to see what Kim Ng could do, given the chance. From what I hear, she is brilliant, and has a good feel for the players, the game, and something becoming more and more important, "metrics" and "player/data analysis".
Posted by Ms Fan in Exile
8:01 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Ok, who is Sexson auditioning for???
Posted by GripS
8:04 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Whoa....Clement totally was NOT out at first there.
Riggleman even went out to protest. Can we see a replay of that please?
Posted by 6killer
8:05 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Carlos, you are a superfan! funny shit
Posted by Goggins
8:48 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Against the best ERA in the AL the M's threw their power lineup: Vidro (.214), Sexon (.216), Clement (.177) and Cairo (.215). That's almost half the line-up hitting .215 or under. Where's Lopez and Betancourt?
Posted by headliner
8:55 PM, Jul 08, 2008
looks like riggleman may go off the same cliff as mac, riding the backs of sexson and vidro
Posted by Chopper58
8:56 PM, Jul 08, 2008
At least Silva and Washburn have given our bullpen are long earned rest
Posted by Seattle Sports Blog
10:13 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Listliess, hopeless, worthless....Please Ninendo, the Wii is hot, your management of the M's is not.
FIRE ARMSTRONG, FIRE ELLIS, FIRE LINCOLN
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