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July 21, 2008 5:34 PM

LaHair, Clement in lineup

Posted by Geoff Baker

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Those of you hoping to see some youth in the lineup tonight will get your wish as Bryan LaHair, above, makes his second start at first base. Jeff Clement will catch, even though there's a lefty on the mound in Jon Lester and both aforementioned hitters are southpaws.

Erik Bedard did not throw today, at least not outdoors. Manager Jim Riggleman said Bedard threw a bit in the batting cage under the stadium yesterday and might do so again today. That was news to pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre, though he said throwing in the cage can be about as good as playing catch outdoors.

I spoke to Stottlemyre and bullpen coach Norm Charlton about Brandon Morrow possibly being converted to a starting role this season. Both told me that, right now, with J.J. Putz still working his way back from injury, Morrow plays too key a role in the bullpen to be moved.

Charlton told me that back in 1990, Lou Piniella converted him to a starting role out of the bullpen after he'd been throwing one and two-inning stints. Said it took him about two weeks to get up to five innings, but that it was out of necessity because of injuries to the Reds' rotation. Charlton was the kind of pitcher who routinely threw 25 pitches per frame in any event. Not like Morrow that way.

In Morrow's case, Stottlemyre thought he'd probably need a good month of rotation work down in Class AAA before he could be called up and used effectively for more than a handful of innings. And right now, he said, that's not an option being looked at.

Stottlemyre said he could envision a scenario in September where the M's could try to extend Morrow out of the bullpen. By that time, other arms would be up with the team because of expanded September rosters.

"You could probably jump him from one to three innings right away,'' he said. "But after that, it takes time.''

Are the M's even considering such a September scenario.

"To be honest with you, it hasn't even been discussed,'' Strottlemyre said with a laugh. "But you asked me if I saw a timeframe where it would be possible and I told you when I thought it could theoretically take place. But no. we're not even discussing it now.''


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The Red Sox have taken the field for batting practice. As usual, they've brought plenty of fans with them.

The lineups:

RED SOX (57-43)

46 Jacoby Ellsbury LF
15 Dustin Pedroia 2B
7 J.D. Drew RF
24 Manny Ramirez DH
25 Mike Lowell 3B
20 Kevin Youkillis 1B
10 Coco Crisp CF
33 Jason Varitek C
12 Jed Lowrie SS

31 Jon Lester LHP


MARINERS 938-60)

51 Ichiro RF
16 Willie Bloomquist CF
28 Raul Ibanez LF
29 Adrian Beltre 3B
4 Jose Lopez 2B
13 Miguel Cairo DH
39 Bryan LaHair 1B
9 Jeff Clement C
5 Yuniesky Betancourt SS

56 Jarrod Washburn LHP



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Posted by Batter Up!!!

5:46 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Do you think Steve's column had any influence in the lineup? Please keep the pressure on!

Morrow is a starter and needs to be worked into that role now! Stretch him out and get him in the rotation ASAP. If he needs rest this winter give him some. This kid is a starter, he can close later.

Play the future now and find out if they have game...

What is the point of running out guys who will not return?

PS: Get that sandlot jerk-off Betancourt off the team NOW! Who is in charge of this guy?

Posted by AD

5:49 PM, Jul 21, 2008

See now that's incompetence in running a baseball team. "Too important to the bullpen." ?? uhhh... are you kidding? who cares about the freaking bullpen right now?! I mean honestly, Geoff, and the Mariners management -- if you reallly think that we as fans care about going to a game to see the team win then you are very sorely mistaken. At this point in the season, I could care less about the team winning (save for the days that Felix, Bedard and Morrow (i wish) start). I want to see our young players, the players of the future play and be successful. The three pitchers that I just mentioned plus Beltre, Lopez, Clement, Balentien, Lahair, Rowland-Smith... I want to see these guys play and play well. If that leads us to a win awesome, but if it doesn't I don't care. Just play these guys every day and put Brandon Morrow where he belongs -- THE STARTING ROTATION!! f*#@!! And subsequently put Batista where he belongs, in f*(king retirement!

Posted by -j.

5:49 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Is Balentien in the lineup? No?

Oh yeah.. we should wait until he consistantly has an OPS over 1.000 in Tacoma before he can take time away from Vidro.

His OPS is like 1.200 in July so I guess thats a start.

Posted by -j.

5:51 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Cairo? DH?

If that isn't an oxymoron I don't know what is.

Posted by AndruV

5:54 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Gotta love Stottlemyre's response. Things are going great right now, why would you even dream of rocking the boat?

Good grief.

Posted by AndruV

5:55 PM, Jul 21, 2008

DH? Doesn't that involve hitting?

Posted by John

5:59 PM, Jul 21, 2008

I look at this mess and the people running the show and I can't help but feel we are YEARS from watching any meaningful baseball in Seattle.
It is so depressing.
I can see them continuing to use Morrow in the bullpen for the next two years for a team that has few games to save.
I can see Ibanez not being traded and then walking while we get nothing of value other than some draft pick that will be poorly used.
I can see the same thing happening with Beltre.
Meanwhile we'll get to watch duds like Silva and Washburn and (my god) possibly even Batista for another season for no discernible reason.
LaHair is NOT the answer at first, but I'm sure we'll watch him flail away for a season or two before they try to scrape some old vet off the scrap heap at a position that needs to be producing major power.
The list goes on, but, hey, there's always that stupid moose.

Posted by Adam

6:00 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Why does anyone think that stretching Morrow out HAS to involve a return to the bigs? Can anyone give me one good reason why the Morrow HAS to be on the ML roster? Anyone?


Good grief. Get these hard-core old schoolers like Stottlemyre, Riggleman, and Charlton the hell away from my team.


For the 13,206th time, winning games in 2008 should not be even a top-3 priority for this organization.

Too bad we have a bunch of idiots running the show.

Posted by AD

6:01 PM, Jul 21, 2008

damn, we're 938-60!!

Posted by -j.

6:06 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Willie hitting 2nd and Cairo 6th... can we just forfeit?

Posted by scottM

6:08 PM, Jul 21, 2008

The 2008 Mariner cookbook:

Felix suggests we reed instructions before serving this tasty recipe on a silva bell tray. Featuring chicken, yuni'd to putz it on lo pezzure and lowe boil.

We didn't get that far because, jumpin' Jimenez, the cock 'er ran down the rhodes and row lands until to morrow avoiding the bloomin'quistion and our RAD attempts to catch him.

Now joh mama is making us choose between Iowa-grown clay mint on an imported Ichi-roast, carp on a green bed of french bédård (watch out for LaHair), or the cannibal special from Cairo: riggle man over hot coals until he stops moving.

While, in some countries, a small burke is polite after eating, we hope you don't rauuuuuuuul your food on the vide row of the bleacher, 'cuz this one should taste a lot like our mid-season version served last month––cooked bavasi basted in mclarified butter.

What's that smell? Holy Batista, is it the mojo risin'?

Posted by Batter Up!!!

6:18 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Hey Adam, It's not your team... If anything it is Seattle's team, but obviously ownership disagrees.

My only reason to get Morrow stretched & back up here starting is to have him start against major league hitting which I think would benefit him and the team for next year.

Posted by scottM

6:19 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Note: In the Recipe post, we didn't use the word Dickey because this is a family paper blog and we avoided any association with sex, son.

Posted by Village Idiot

6:24 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Can we dump Yuni on the dodgers now? PLEASE!!!!

Posted by greyguy3

6:26 PM, Jul 21, 2008

When you're DHing Miguel Cairo, doesn't that tell you that your bench sucks? Because it should.

Posted by Ms Fan in Exile

6:31 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Geoff,
With Posada out, what are the chances of getting the Spankees to take on Johjima? It's not like they can't afford it.

Posted by K Mo

6:32 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Can someone help with a question?

Whatever happen to Jeremy Reed?

Was he traded?

Was his defense too outstanding?

Was his hitting was too reliable for this club?

Jeremy are you there??????

Thanks

Posted by Village Idiot

6:33 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Cairo DHing is a bad move but our bench doesn't suck. There is a perfect DH out there that no team has signed this year, Barry Bonds. But management doesn't care about LOCAL fans entertainment *cough* johjima extension and overpaying Ichiro *cough* and hasn't made a real stab at Junior our talked to the cards about Chris Duncan or Haster? I hate what this team has become, a AAAA team like the Rays used to be. I hope Pat Gilick and Steve Ballmer by this team and fix it so I can watch a winning team.

Posted by -j.

6:33 PM, Jul 21, 2008

"When you're DHing Miguel Cairo, doesn't that tell you that your bench sucks? Because it should."

First and foremost that tells you that your DH sucks.

Posted by Anything Can Happen

6:40 PM, Jul 21, 2008

I'll take the "hard-core old-schoolers." In fact, I'd like a little more old-school discipline like real pre-game fielding practice for E-4 and E-6 and maybe, just maybe, a little fitness regimen.

Posted by Walla Walla Girl

6:46 PM, Jul 21, 2008

scottM, thanks for the laughs! You know we need 'em. We roast the Mariners every day on this blog. It's time for a new menu.

That's a good question, K Mo. Where is Jeremy Reed?!

Posted by Anything Can Happen

6:51 PM, Jul 21, 2008

-j (5:51 and 6:06) -- Perhaps the Ms are just going with the hot hands. After all, Cairo did go 3 for 4 yesterday with a triple and an RBI, and Cairo, Vidro, and Willie combined to hit 8 for 12 with both RsBI...

Posted by Scanman

7:02 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Stupid Mariners did it again. They failed to sign Kevin Calabro. Rats, no “Flying Chickens in the Barnyard that Baby’s out of here”

Posted by Walla Walla Girl

7:09 PM, Jul 21, 2008

That's disappointing that the M's didn't sign Calabro. The team is bad and not worth watching. His announcing would have been a nice perk for the fans who bother to tune in.

Posted by scottM

7:35 PM, Jul 21, 2008

Yeah, I was disappointed to see that Calabro will not be announcing the M's. I guess the Mariners prefer a heavy dose of monotone from the likes of Blowers and Shannon Drayer to keep its fan base somnambulant during this pathetic season.

Mike Blowers:
Rall......y......fries: When.....I......clev.....er......ly......give.......them.......to...fans hold....ing...signs,...... the....fries.......help.......the.......team..... win,.......ex......cept......of......course.......if.......the........team...... is.......be.......hind......when.....it's......time.......for.......them.......to.......rally....because....stat...istic....ally...this....team,.....rare....ly.....rall.....ies.

(Blowers to Sims, whispering: "psssst, without the Rally Fries, what will we have to talk about late in these games???").

Posted by m's brass is clueless

8:02 PM, Jul 21, 2008

This can't be true? No discussion?

"To be honest with you, it hasn't even been discussed,'' Strottlemyre said with a laugh. "But you asked me if I saw a timeframe where it would be possible and I told you when I thought it could theoretically take place. But no. we're not even discussing it now.''

Posted by 7hourlinedrive

8:30 PM, Jul 21, 2008

"...(to) the Mariners management -- if you reallly think that we as fans care about going to a game to see the team win then you are very sorely mistaken. At this point in the season, I could care less about the team winning (save for the days that Felix, Bedard and Morrow (i wish) start). "

Please speak for yourself. Just because you don't care to see the Mariners win any single game for the rest of this season doesn't mean that every fan doesn't. (and if you can't stomach watching the team any more this season, well... Seahawks camps starts Friday and, gosh, you can stare at Sue Bird and the Storm.)

No matter how many games behind the Mariners are and no matter how many games under .500 they are, the Mariners have to demonstrate to their fans (from the casual ones to, well, the ones that blog a lot) that they're playing to win and, as much as they can, are prepared to play the rest of the league through the rest of the schedule.

If you want to win close games, you need a closer - it's not a luxury.

I'll trust the people that are actually in the clubhouse and on the field to determine when it's the right time for Brandon Morrow to get stretched out and pitch starter's innings, and if it's not until next spring, then so be it. As you know, it's not like there's a rush this season.

"Hard-core old schoolers" who should "stay the hell away from the team"? This, from a "fan" whose closest exposure to the game now is his View-level seat and his computer screen?

If winning shouldn't be among the top three priorities now, then... why shouldn't the Mariners petition the American League to shut it down for the season? They could just head back to Peoria and start spring training a little early.

Please ...

Posted by .Adam

9:15 AM, Jul 22, 2008

"Hard-core old schoolers" who should "stay the hell away from the team"? This, from a "fan" whose closest exposure to the game now is his View-level seat and his computer screen?

Yaaawwwn. Is this really the best you can do?

If winning shouldn't be among the top three priorities now, then... why shouldn't the Mariners petition the American League to shut it down for the season? They could just head back to Peoria and start spring training a little early.

Or, just maybe, they could make their top priority putting young players into the lineup every day to ensure that they have a head start on 2009. Doesn't that sound simple? This team isn't going to win the divison. It isn't going to win the WC. It isn't going to finish at .500. There is no point pretending that wins in 2008 mean anything substantial. A smart team with a real plan would recognize that wins are secondary to getting younger players who have a part in the team's future (not Vidro, Cairo, Batista, Ibanez) an opportunity to get regular playing time. It's not that hard.

Please ...


My thoughts exactly..

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