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July 22, 2008 2:03 PM

Red Sox Nation speaks

Posted by Geoff Baker

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I guess we ticked off a few of the good folks from Red Sox Nation with our Manny Ramirez item from last night. Judging by this blog entry in the Boston Globe. Reading through the comments, I can't help but think that we folks in Seattle have a bit of an image problem when it comes to jaywalking. As you can see above, they've beefed up coverage of the streets outside the stadium today, just in case Manny tries being Manny again. Well, maybe not.

But then again, as far as images go, if that's the worst thing your enemies can come up with about the place you live, is it a bad thing?

We won't get into discussing the relative quality of the comments, or level of discussion, on our respective blogs.

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Posted by purpledawgfan

2:21 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Jeff,

You have to understand that people in Boston not only don't use crosswalks, they don't use the signals with the "stop hand" and "walking person" to notify them when it's safe to cross the street.

When it's safe, they cross. They know how to look both ways. Plus, Boston streets are so small that sometimes you are able to do this even with oncoming traffic. Jaywalking isn't an issue in Boston unlike Seattle. I'm suprised they didn't recommend that he ride a bike an use a bike trail to help "Save the Enviroment" too.

I wish I left last nights game out of the center field exit. I would have Jaywalked right over to Manny and asked for an autograph.

Posted by BrianL

2:22 PM, Jul 22, 2008

There's a bit of a difference between real Red Sox fans and Red Sox Nation. Let's go ahead and make that distinction.

Real Red Sox fans have actually suffered through a ton of bad baseball. They got Buckner'd and Boone'd. These fans can actually tell you a bit of Red Sox history.

Red Sox Nation, however, are nothing more than a bunch of bandwagonning "fans" who live in Mill Creek, Bellevue, and Redmond. During most games, they will be wearing Mariners jerseys and donning caps. When the Red Sox roll into town, all of that changes. You can spot them by looking at the player name on the jersey they are wearing. If the player name goes no further back than 2004, congratulations! You've found a member of Red Sox Nation.

If the Red Sox fan you talk to can't name all of the players currently on the Sox 25-man roster, congratulations! You've found a member of Red Sox Nation.

If the Red Sox fan you encounter only stares in a confused manner when you bring up Aaron Boone's walkoff shot in 2003 or Billy Buckner's botched grounder, congratulations! You've found a member of Red Sox Nation.

If the Red Sox fan you're sitting beside accidentally cheers when Felix strikes out the side or Beltre goes yard, congratulations! You've found a member of Red Sox Nation that probably lives in the greater Seattle area.

Posted by What a drag

2:34 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Man, everything in Boston is so cool. I wish I could live there - life would be so perfect. Seattle is such a horrible place compared to a mecca like Boston. Even their fans are super awesome, even the ones with fake accents. Boston is also the sweetest band on earth. Boston Public and Boston Common should have won Emmys. Boston Market should have never closed its doors; they had the best meatloaf ever. Bostonians are the most comfortable shoes known to man. Boston cream pie is the perfect end to a meal of Boston baked beans, even though it's actually a cake. And of course, there was no better place to buy socks than at the old Boston Sox in Bellevue Square.

Posted by Akita

2:34 PM, Jul 22, 2008

The cops were just looking out for Manny's safety. It was entirely possible that he could have been run over by the very large bandwagon making its way down the street following the game, with so-called fans likely headed home to their closets full of Red Sox, Lakers, and Cubs apparel, as well as collections of Tickle-Me-Elmos, Cabbage Patch Kids, Hula Hoops, and New Kids on the Block CD's.

Posted by c3po

2:34 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Manny is a pompous ass with no class. he thinks the world revolves around him. yeah he's a good player but he's still a punk

Posted by Bill

2:35 PM, Jul 22, 2008

I love this quote (so true): "In Seattle vagrants can lay all over the street, assault pedestrians, urinate in public, threaten tourists that don't give them a handout, etc. , and never be arrested. But don,t jaywalk even at midnight with no traffic."

Posted by Bill Buckner

2:36 PM, Jul 22, 2008

I would have waited for the light

Posted by .223

2:42 PM, Jul 22, 2008

You gotta love it...sensationalism
Now this stupid, meaningless story about Manny jaywalking and getting a ticket will be all over ESPN
who cares?

Posted by rpm88yb

2:42 PM, Jul 22, 2008

The issue isn't that he jaywalked. The issue is that he jaywalked right in front of a cop. Breaking the law in front of a police officer is never a good idea, no matter what city you are in.

Posted by BrianL

2:43 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Akita - I daresay, that may just be the comment of the day.

Posted by Brian

2:44 PM, Jul 22, 2008

They were probably offended that the cop didn't recognize Manny. Or maybe they were offended that the cop didn't genuflect for Manny.

Love the comments about real Red Sox fans vs. Red Sox Nation "fans".

Posted by DaKine

2:50 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Amazed we didn't havemore negative comments here with all the "Red Sox Fans" in Seattle and all... I guess on the same note, more of the "Red Sox Fans" in Seattle should have stuck up for their guy or mobbed him as they would have done in their "hometowns" of New England.

Posted by Scanman

2:50 PM, Jul 22, 2008

What in the he** are you guys doing. This is such a stupid subject, quit responding to it and make Geoff post something worthwhile to comment on.

Posted by Mint Husky

2:55 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Seattle: where jaywalking is a higher police priority than pot smoking.

Posted by Boston's cool

3:13 PM, Jul 22, 2008

I've driven through Boston with a cop on a corner and swarms of people crossing without regard to the light, and instead of giving tickets, the cop waved me through, inviting me to shove right through the jaywalkers and make them let me go by. In Seattle, the cop would have his baton out trying to arrest everyone. So much for the comments about breaking the law in front of a cop. Depends on the cop and the city.

Posted by Stat Prof

3:19 PM, Jul 22, 2008

I am a Seattle native who has been exiled to Red Sox Nation (New England) for the past 30 years.

I am so sick and tired of the arrogant 'the world revolves around the Red Sox and Yankees' attitude of New Englanders for years.

The worst thing that ever happened when the "Sox" (Red is never really used in discussing the "Sox") won the WS.

Red Sox "fans" Red Sox "nation" same thing, major annoyance in any case.

Posted by Mike B

3:23 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Almost Live made fun of the locals' obsession with jaywalking 10-15 years ago.

There was a sketch called "The Fugitive In Seattle" and John Keister's character (tried to look for a YouTube link, but there's never one when you need one) had to decide between jaywalking or being caught by cops, so this kind of thing isn't even news to us older folks who have lived here for a while.

The folks from Boston should just lay off us for a while -- at least until one of their sports teams starts losing like they all used to.

The Patriots win Super Bowls. The Seahawks get robbed in their one appearance.

The Red Sox are winning World Series. The Mariners are rebuilding again.

The Celtics win yet another NBA title (sure, there was a 20-year drought in between, but so what?) and we lose our team to liars and cheaters.

Boston fans are already insufferable these days. Can you imagine what they're going to be like when the Bruins start winning Stanley Cups?

Posted by fred

3:23 PM, Jul 22, 2008

DUDE ! you just made sportscenter!

Posted by Positive Vibrations

3:34 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Was he heading to the reggae dog stand?

Posted by OlyHomer

3:38 PM, Jul 22, 2008

The Almost Live - Fugitive in Seattle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNzNjbrsUb8

Posted by nomorebandwagoners@safeco

3:40 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Here is a prime example of how terrible bandwagon Red Sox fans in Seattle truly are:

Last night I happened to be sitting right near Theo Epstein, about 1/3 of the way up the first level behind home plate. Now even I, as an M's fan, was able to recognize him sitting there. He got up an left his seat around the 6th inning.

Despite the hundreds of shiny new Sox jerseys and hats, not ONE person I could see even slightly acknowledged him as he slowly walked up the iasle. For a guy who is so visable as a GM, who has done so much for the success of that franchise, not one "fan" could distinguish him from any other casual observer of the game.

Well, except for Bill Gates, who happened to be sitting very near to him. Of course, all of "Red Sox Nation" could obviously pick him out of a crowd quite easily.

Posted by Jim S

3:49 PM, Jul 22, 2008

I read the blog entry and I missed the part where Manny acted like a jerk. The cop stopped him because he crossed against the cop's signal. It appears Manny provided ID when asked and didn't say or do anything except listen when he was spoken to. If there's a major felony involved here, I missed it.

Posted by scrapiron

3:51 PM, Jul 22, 2008

They've even got a song written about it already! The Red Sox fans are too much. He wouldn't even attempt to walk around Fenway.

Posted by M's Future

4:10 PM, Jul 22, 2008

nomorebandwagoners,

Did you happen to mention to Theo Epstein that we're looking for a new GM?

Posted by Mike

4:15 PM, Jul 22, 2008

In Boston, the streets tend to be treated as something like a competition. Signals are optional. In fact, you can cause problems if you follow them too carefully.

Having lived in Seattle most of my life and lived in Boston for six years, I can say that I prefer Seattle's traffic habits.

But when I visited Bordeaux this year, I thought they did things better than either of us. In Seattle, jaywalking is frowned upon. In Boston, you cross the street whenever you can and it's like a competition -- can you force the car to stop for you? In Bordeaux it was clear that pedestrians crossed against the light whenever they didn't hold up any cars, but they genuinely were apologetic if they accidentally impeded traffic that they hadn't noticed.

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

4:32 PM, Jul 22, 2008

I love this quote (so true): "In Seattle vagrants can lay all over the street, assault pedestrians, urinate in public, threaten tourists that don't give them a handout, etc. , and never be arrested. But don,t jaywalk even at midnight with no traffic."

Unfortunately it's true. The City of Seattle has ignored it's gang problem for a decade and has allowed certain areas like White Center, South Seattle, and other pockets to be run by domestic terrorists/gang members.

The city has ignored vagrants harassing and assaulting citizens on the waterfront and shopping district, along with making public rest rooms into bio hazzards. Yet, Jaywalking is a priority over routine shootings at 3 am in Pioneer Square. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Posted by ghph

4:38 PM, Jul 22, 2008

re: road and crosswalk behavior, I'm not so sure it's a Seattle vs Boston thing as more of a Seattle vs the rest of the country thing. I've travelled relatively extensively, and only in the greater Seattle area do people behave like they do with respect to the road.

Driving the speed limit, obeying signs, crossing at crosswalks, bicyclists obeying traffic laws, etc. I suppose that's what people in the area are just used to doing, but I think it's enough to drive most out of towners batty. You almost have to completely reverse your mentality on the roads; the kind of behavior that gets you shot at, run off the road, or ticketed by the police on the East Coast or LA is the behavior that you are expected to conform to in Seattle, for example.

Posted by 808mike

4:41 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Attention all bandwagon nation fans, your new team to root for is in Tampa bay, they will win the east this year. You can get great deals on clothing at devilrays.mlb.com. Hurry before the wagon gets full.

Posted by joebbaseball

4:43 PM, Jul 22, 2008

nice posts by BrianL and nomorebandwagoners... the whole redsox nation stuff is getting to be a bit of a joke. For those who were at the game, Mike Blowers actually said something to call them out. Which is the first person on tv that I've ever heard do that. He basically said, its amazing what a couplle world series wins will do. Then said, i don't remember redsox nation when we went to boston in the late 80's early 90's and the stadium was half full. Teams like the brewers, cubs, tigers, cards, mariners (of course) and a few more, who never win it, and don't even consistently win. Those are where the diehardfans are. All these "die hards" who don't even recognize theo? Give me a break.

Posted by Kma

4:43 PM, Jul 22, 2008

[i]if that's the worst thing (jaywalking) your enemies can come up with about the place you live, is it a bad thing?[/i]

The reality is that for all it's "perceived" high IQ, Seattle-ites are stupid enough to need the police to help them cross a road. Really, there are more important things for the police to be doing that escorting people across streets!!

Posted by Gig Harborite

4:56 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Man, everything in Boston is so cool. I wish I could live there - life would be so perfect. Seattle is such a horrible place compared to a mecca like Boston. Even their fans are super awesome, even the ones with fake accents. Boston is also the sweetest band on earth. Boston Public and Boston Common should have won Emmys. Boston Market should have never closed its doors; they had the best meatloaf ever. Bostonians are the most comfortable shoes known to man. Boston cream pie is the perfect end to a meal of Boston baked beans, even though it's actually a cake. And of course, there was no better place to buy socks than at the old Boston Sox in Bellevue Square.


What a drag, I was going to go to the game last night, but there was a great Boston Legal re-run! Wouldn't Denny Crane be a great closer for the 'Saxs'?

Posted by daddydriz

5:36 PM, Jul 22, 2008

This whole thread was worth reading just for tne link to "The Fugitive in Seattle." Classic, classic.

Posted by CM

6:57 PM, Jul 22, 2008

As a Seattle native stuck in Boston, I love this story almost as much as I love following the amusing antics of "Red Sox Nation." For further insight into the psyche of "Red Sox Nation" check out this gem of an article from the Boston Globe article about pink baseball hats: "http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/fashion/articles/2008/06/26/why_is_this_pink_hat_so_hated/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed4"

The anger, the ire, the priceless quotes!! Wear a pink hat to Sox game and you might as well choose Starbucks over Dunkin' Donuts, you New York communist!

Oh and one more thing: Most Bostonians don't know the difference between a red and green light to save their lives. Literally! People cross the street whenever the feel like it, regardless of the on-coming traffic. Call it Red Sox Nation being Red Sox nation. I miss the sight of a Seattle pedestrian waiting for the walk sign at an empty intersection in the rain. I also miss a city whose identity isn't wrapped up with a professional sports team.

Posted by Errol

7:34 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Geoff

You are pretty much an idiot for even posting this...dumb!!

Posted by Rob

8:16 PM, Jul 22, 2008

The Boston posters are right. Seattle PD has their priorities ass backwards. In a city with gang problems and mentally ill and drugged up homeless confronting folks on the streets, this whole exercise with Manny and others was a big waste of time.

I also fault city officials who use the police as a shakedown racket rather than a law enforcement agency charged with ensuring real public safety.

Posted by IdahoMariner

8:59 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Really? Some of you think that Boston, home of the free pedestrian, doesn't also have a problem with gang violence, aggressive homeless people and dirty streets? have you been there? The problem is not traffic laws -- disobey them at your peril, they are there for safety reasons, we have lost plenty pedestrians and bikers who were actually obeying the law, it's not "pathetic" to obey the law. It is pathetic to conflate the two issues. I used to live in Seattle. So, yes, I totally agree: Seattle law enforcement needs to do more (a lot more) about gangs, aggressive homeless populations, domestic violence, etc. Government needs to do more to get homeless people safely and permanently off the streets, and do more to clean up a gorgeous city. Heckle, harass, pester legislators and city leders to pony up more cash for better trained officers and to focus on the big issues. but don't be lame and think that it's pathetic that people behave in a rational manner by trying not to get killed or kill someone else. Boston pedestrians are complete morons. Yes, that car hurtling toward you can't kill everyone in your group. But odds are it's gonna clip at least a couple of you. I guess we should be glad that they are over there cleansing the gene pool.

Posted by IdahoMariner

9:07 PM, Jul 22, 2008

I should be clear: I think you ought to obey the traffic laws. On the other hand...seriously? Picking one guy out of the hordes pushing out of Safeco to say "knock it off"? Royal B ought to just be closed to cars for 1/2 an hour after the game anyway. And I am glad Manny didn't get in the face of the cop or try to take him down like a traveling secretary (the cop must have been under 50 years old)...judging from his performance in the outfield, there's no way he could've outrun even a 50 year old cop.

Posted by Patrick F.

9:20 PM, Jul 22, 2008

Brian L.: Perfect description of Red Sox Nation. Those fans are clearly front runners and the sad thing is that they're everywhere. I go to OSU and I see more Red Sox caps than Beavers hats. It's disgusting.

I could see somebody, who didn't watch baseball mistaking Manny for the common criminal. I hope it was a humbling experience for Manny.

Posted by kgk

11:13 PM, Jul 22, 2008

"Fugitive in Seattle" -- awesome. I too tried to find that Youtube link but couldn't, thanks for posting it. There was another Almost Live skit where there's a hundred dollar bill in the middle of the street and everyone's on the street corner waiting for the walk signal. Classic!

Posted by Charles

10:29 AM, Jul 23, 2008

Yes, the worst thing about Seattle is the strict treatment of jaywalkers. You really got us Boston, our city is just intolerable. The lakes, rivers, mountains are deplorable. The museums, farmers markets and festivals are dull. Our coffee and wine is swill. Our citizens who care about the environment and are highly educated can be difficult. Our businesspeople lack innovation and generousity. Our culture of community and polite manners. My god, I am not sure we should be allowed to continue as a part of the US!

Now getting serious. This issue isn't really an important one other than the fact that Red Sox fans are using it to attack our fair city. However, it comes down to two things:

Either Manny was confused and really was just crossing the street as he would in Bos. Or, he ignored the traffic cop on purpose. In the first case, then no harm. In the second, almost every prof athlete thinks they are above rules and the law. As such, it is a lame issue other than the joy of upsetting a few depressed people from New England.

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