Geoff Baker covers the Mariners for The Seattle Times. He provides daily coverage of the team throughout spring training, and during the season.
July 8, 2008 5:45 PM
Posted by Geoff Baker
A look above at Oakland Athletics general manager Billy Beane, who just traded pitchers Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin to the Chicago Cubs for four players, including pitcher Sean Gallagher and outfielder Matt Murton. My girlfriend, Amy, is in the stands at Wrigley Field tonight, taking in the game (guess I drew the short straw on that exchange) and tells me the fans there seem pleased. Over here? We'll see.
Before we get into that a bit more, let me tell you that Erik Bedard has been scratched until after the all-star break. Mariners manager Jim Riggleman said moments ago that he'd rather not risk sending Bedard back out there too early. Looks like he'll start about the fourth game after the break, giving him a nice, long layoff to recover from all his hurts. For now, Jarrod Washburn goes Saturday and Carlos Silva on Sunday.
Back to Beane. He said today's deal hinged on the willingness of the Cubs to include Gallagher in the deal.
"It's always tough letting talented players go,'' he said. "But it's always nice acquiring talented players.''
Gallagher made five starts in Class AAA before the Cubs promoted the 22-year-old righthander to the big leagues in May. He's gone 3-4 with a 4.45 ERA in 12 games, 10 of those as a starter.
"It's very difficult to acquire young starting pitching,'' Beane said. "And to get a guy who's already performing at the major league level, it's tough to get.''
Murton is the other big piece (infielder Eric Patterson and Class A catcher Josh Donaldson are the two other players off to Oakland) and could complete what A's insiders hope will be the team's outfield for years to come. They already have center fielder Carlos Gonzalez and right fielder Ryan Sweeney. Now, with Murton, 26, part of that Nomar Garciaparra deal between Boston and the Cubs in 2004 that helped win a World Series for the Red Sox, the A's feel they've got their outfield set for years to come.
So, while Harden is a big name, the A's may have pulled something off here yet again. As great as Harden is -- and I love those Canadian pitchers, as you know -- he gets hurt every year. He might make more sense for the Cubs as a short-term gamble if they can win a World Series. He'll be under club control next year as well, but this is all about the next few months for the Cubs. Beyond that, Harden will always be a gamble. Gaudin is another young arm, but he's starting to get around the game a bit. He was in Toronto when I covered that team. The Cubs will be his fourth major league team at age 25. Something to that, maybe? He's getting up there in cost as well and free agency looms.
Anyhow, two teams with two different sets of needs. May take a while before we know who wins this deal.
What does it mean for Seattle? Another potential trade destination for Bedard is gone. The Cubs were always a longshot on that front, but now, they're a no-shot. Same with the Brewers. Big hope left for a deal appears to be the Phillies or the Cardinals, if they decide to go for it this year.
But Bedard will have to get back out on a mound and show something in the "second half" to make that deal happen. I think. So far, there are a lot of unanswered questions.
Down below, J.J. Putz spotted our camera and did a little impromptu dance for us.
Some lineup changes tonight. Jose Lopez hit a ball off his knee last night, so he gets the night off. Yuniesky Betancourt also gets a rest. Riggleman plans this to be the last break the middle infielders have until well after the break.
51 Ichiro RF
16 Willie Bloomquist SS
28 Raul Ibanez LF
3 Jose Vidro DH
29 Adrian Beltre 3B
8 Jeremy Reed CF
44 Richie Sexson 1B
9 Jeff Clement C
13 Miguel Cairo 2B
52 Carlos Silva RHP
15 Ryan Sweeny RF
14 Mark Ellis 2B
32 Jack Cust DH
8 Emil Brown LF
28 Carlos Gonzalez CF
45 Wes Bankston 1B
24 Kurt Suzuki C
22 Jack Hannahan 3B
12 Donnie Murphy SS
58 Justin Duchscherer RHP
Posted by ethan
5:59 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Lincoln: "It's always tough giving millions away to under-performing milquetoasts," he said. "But it's always nice acquiring more of the same."
Posted by AKMarinersFan
6:23 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Yeah Willie and Cairo as our DP combo. Teams fear the Mariners!
Posted by Quah brent
6:30 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Thanks for all your great coverage Geoff!
Questions for Riggleman if you get a chance (or maybe you know): Why does he have Vidro batting 4th with his current numbers?! What's the logic? Doesn't it just gives Vidro more chances to get a hit (and probably a single) 22% of the time (regardless of handedness)? Shouldn't he be at the bottom of the lineup?
Posted by Ms Fan in Exile
6:33 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Oh Boy!!!! That huge offensive threat Vidro is batting clean-up again tonite!!!
M's win 17-1 tonite with that lineup.
Would rather have Kenji in the lineup as DH.
Posted by Ms Fan in Exile
6:39 PM, Jul 08, 2008
I usually peruse your blogs daily, although I don't write that often. I have one burning question.
What is the possibility of selling high to Gillick and Philly, (for Bedard and/or Washburn) on the chance that he comes be Club President?
Posted by Chopper58
6:42 PM, Jul 08, 2008
What a crap lineup full of holes:
(maybe Willie B)
I'm calling it now. A complete game shutout for Duchscherer who is a legitimate Cy Young contendor.
Posted by stango
6:52 PM, Jul 08, 2008
If Gillick is classless enough to sink his current team in the hopes of improving a potential future employer, I want nothing to do with him, as GM or President. For the record, I don't think that he is classless at all.
For all the people calling for some of the "big name" GM candidates (Evans, Cashman, etc), I would like to know of one WS won in the last 20 yrs by a GM who was a "big name" when that team hired him.
No more retreads!
Posted by GripS
6:55 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Look at that linup....
Wow......just......wow. With Silva on the mound and that lineup you can almost guarantee the loss.
Posted by ethan
7:07 PM, Jul 08, 2008
8-0 A's. but, uh...GOOD LUCK, M'S!
Posted by bedard2008
7:24 PM, Jul 08, 2008
How would pat gill be sinking his current team if he traded for bedard?? Bedard a great pitcher when hes not hurt i for one would love to see bedard sign a long term deal with the mariners felix bedard morrow one two three punch would be one of the best IF NOT THE BEST STARTING 3 IN MLB
Posted by Ms Fan in Exile
7:50 PM, Jul 08, 2008
I don't want Gillick in Seattle at all. He has done to the Phillies farm system what he did to ours. But if he thinks he may have a job here next year, it behooves us to try and get him to sell high, then find a GOOD President and GM for next year. I think Gillick as a Club President is a HUGE mistake, given his track record as a GM. Sure, he can build a winner, but the farm systems ALWAYS take a huge hit with him. Look at Toronto, Seattle, and Philly. Everytime he has a team, he guts the farm for a few good years, and then he leaves to gut another team. Any GM he hires would be a figurehead only, with no power or decision making capabilities. THAT would be dangerous. Almost as bad as our current President and Ownership group.
Posted by brett b
8:55 PM, Jul 08, 2008
Why do you assume that Gillick would give no control over his GM? It's been well documented that he doesn't want to be a GM anymore after this season, so why would he want to meddle in that role as President? Personally, I think it would be awesome if he took over as President. The fact is, he's a winner, and has been a winner with every club he's been a part of. Yeah, he's not perfect, and he did leave our farm system barren, but he is the best front-office executive this team's ever had. His presence in the organization would bring a winning attitude and help the club regain credibility throughout the game. Can you imagine a front office with Gillick as President and someone like Antonetti or Ng as GM? Boy, that sure sounds good to me.
Posted by Chris from Bothell
8:02 AM, Jul 09, 2008
I don't know why people get all worked up and impressed by Beane. Name one World Series championship that the As have won in the Moneyball era.
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