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June 16, 2008 12:05 PM

Bavasi fired

Posted by Geoff Baker

So much for all my hypothesizing this morning. The Mariners just fired GM Bill Bavasi. Lee Pelakoudis takes over as interim GM. A news conference scheduled for 2 p.m. at Safeco Field. Guess it really was just a matter of getting the draft done with and moving on from there.

"Change is in order,'' CEO Howard Lincoln said in a written statement. "We have determined new leadership is needed in the GM position. With a new leader will come a new plan and a new approach. A search will begin immediately for a permanent GM, and Lee will be a candidate for the position.''

Now, what does this mean for the future? I'd say we're more likely to see an overall house-cleaning of this team over the next few months than simply a "two or three bats" addition. Bavasi was the one who brought in pitcher Erik Bedard with an eye towards contending in 2008 or 2009. Had the team's ownership and management ranks believed that contending in 2009 was possible, it might have held on to Bavasi one more year. The only other way there is no housecleaning is if someone who specializes in putting a team over the top, like a Pat Gillick, were to come on instead. Remember, Gillick is now in what could be his final season with the Philadelphia Phillies.

But the more likely scenario is, you bring in a new GM who gets his own 3-to-5-year plan to make things work. After all, Lincoln describes "a new plan and a new approach" that would seem to negate the current plan. Those of you who wanted to blow the whole thing up will likely get their wish.

Five seasons into the Bavasi plan, it's on to the next one.

As for John McLaren, he likely stays in-place for a while longer. No use firing the manager and replacing him with somebody when a new GM is about to come in and likely make more changes. That probably won't happen until after this season is complete. Other assistant GMs will have to fill out their existing duties. You'll want a thorough search for candidates, with all the interviewing and detailing of the job that goes along with that. So, I'd say McLaren gets the rest of this season to show what he can do and make a case for himself. Only way you make a swap now is if you -- as an organization -- assume that a coaching staff cleansing will occur under a new GM who wants his own people in there. Under that scenario, you could replace McLaren with Jim Riggleman for now, assuming both would not be back next year. That's a lot of change in a short period of time. At least, for 2008.

Beyond this season? All bets are off.

By the way, I'd expect to see the team at least begin to shop Erik Bedard around starting right now. You don't have to deal him right away, but I don't see how he possibly fits into any long term plan. A contract extension would appear out of the question. He isn't exactly rushing to get one done. And the team, figuring out it's got a six-inning, 100-pitch "ace'' on its hands probably isn't in a rush to hand him the keys to the vault.


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Posted by brianf

12:07 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Yahoo!

Posted by edgar

12:08 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Happy Days are here again!!!

Halllejulah!

Posted by nodiggity

12:08 PM, Jun 16, 2008

hallelujah!

Posted by scottM

12:09 PM, Jun 16, 2008

HIRE LARRY BIENFEST!!!!

Posted by vandelay87

12:09 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Yippee Ki Yay!!!

Posted by Brooms & Pink Slips

12:09 PM, Jun 16, 2008

That's a start....GO MARLINS!!!!!

Posted by Sounders

12:09 PM, Jun 16, 2008

It's a step in the right direction

Posted by Samurai I Am Awry

12:10 PM, Jun 16, 2008

WHO SAID THE SEASON WAS OVER!! Playoffs here we come!......2011, that is....

Posted by boob

12:10 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Next Up...

McClaren

Sexton

Posted by oregongal

12:10 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Definitely a step in the right direction, though it remains to be seen if a new, permanent GM has a different theory of baseball than the Mariners have practiced recently.

Posted by seattlelawgirl

12:10 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I doubt it'll have much immediate impact, but I couldn't be happier about this. Now let's start "firing" some of the players who aren't doing their jobs, too.

Posted by Lucifer

12:11 PM, Jun 16, 2008

On hearing this news, I will listen to a chorus of Angels - Halllejulah, Hosanna!

Posted by firecap81

12:12 PM, Jun 16, 2008

It's a good start. Hopefully they complete the job.

Posted by Wolfie

12:12 PM, Jun 16, 2008

You know what I thought was amusing this season, was the M's commercial (even though the only one I thought was amusing in and of itself was the Beltre catching screen one) with Pepe and Jose Vidro, and Bill not knowing that Pepe actually had a twin brother. Wouldn't it just be like him to not know the team he put out on the field, much less the one he's writing checks to (assuming he'd be writing checks to both Vidros (Vidroes?) ). Just thought it was kind of a humourous, although undoubtedly unintentional, subtext in that commercial.

At any rate, w00t and here's to hoping it will finally start getting better. Hell, not like it could get much worse.

Posted by mikeinkent

12:13 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Finally!!!!!!

Posted by I.C. M's Fan

12:14 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Not a bad start but I'll hold off on the praise until we see what else they have in store.

Posted by Sexson Mendoza

12:14 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Great news! They stopped him before he could kill again before the trade deadline.

I never would have believed they would have fired him before they fired Mac.

Posted by Jesus

12:15 PM, Jun 16, 2008

It is not about the immediate impact, it is about cleaning the stinking office and rebuilding =- the trade deadline looms. Move anyone not names Felix, acquire prospects and build a young team for the future.

Posted by Brad

12:15 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I want to see Armstrong go next. He's stifled the winds of change long enough.

Give me Bobby V., a GM from the Indians organization please, and a president/CEO with cajones.

Posted by Chuck

12:15 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Lets hope this is only the beginning! There are still more heads that should role--including Johnny Mack.

Posted by Bellevue Rob

12:16 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Let me be the first to nominate his replacement:

DAVID FORST - Asst GM for Oakland A's. Think what he could do with this payroll!

Posted by Satan

12:17 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Now give me Mac, the Devel's due!

Posted by scrapiron

12:17 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Chris Antonetti

I wouldn't mind Pat Gillick coming back, but ownership and Gillick didn't get along toward the end. Gillick was frustrated they wouldn't give him a sizable budget to work with. When ownership finally put up a workable budget, they had the wrong GM (Bavasi) in place to spend it.

Chris Antonetti

Posted by peter

12:18 PM, Jun 16, 2008

HALLELUJAH!

I'm impressed they fired him before Mac. Now Armstrong and Lincoln step aside!

Posted by Bruce P

12:20 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Alas, as great as this news is, it is far, far too late.

This franchise is doomed to take years to rebuild unless the remaining FO changes ITS tune as well.

Will the FO allow wholesale changes that eat salaries? I doubt it. Getting rid of Bavasi was a good move, but as bad as this franchise is, it's still only a cosmetic change.

Posted by Gordie

12:22 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Does this mean the M's won't trade Clement, Balentien, Triunfel, Tuiasosopo, Aumont AND Morrow for Griffey now? :)

Who's going to hand out big contracts for must-have pitchers like Weaver, Washburn and Silva?

Posted by Beelzebub

12:22 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Dancing in the streets of Seattle with joy now that the Bavasi dork is gone, but don't forget to feed the fish with McLaren.

Posted by DustininCorvallis

12:22 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Is this a joke???? I THOUGHT THIS DAY WOULD NEVER COME!!! I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE!!!!!

Too little, too late, I'm afraid. What a pathetic professional sports organization. GO SOX!

Posted by CW

12:23 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Are we still having BAGHEAD DAY on July 19th?

Posted by Sounders

12:23 PM, Jun 16, 2008

They'll probably take the rest of the season and maybe part of the off season to find a permanent replacement. Candidates will want to know how much they can do. Can they get rid of whomever they want? No. Will that have money to spend? Yes, most likely. Hopefully we can attract a decent GM and not more of the same.

Hoi-ohhh!!!!

Posted by Go Hawks

12:24 PM, Jun 16, 2008

It is about time! Everyone knew this had to be done, these guys are going nowhere fast. It has come to the point where I dont even care who or if they are playing and/or if they won. I am looking forward to the start of fall camp for the Dawgs and Hawks, so there will be something decent reading in the paper. Bavasi made too many worthless moves, and change has to come from the top.

Posted by tevis

12:25 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Hallelujah! It's about time alreadly.

Posted by jenn

12:25 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Waaahoooo! It's a beautiful day!

Posted by Everett fan

12:26 PM, Jun 16, 2008

"The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step" - hopefully steps two and others follow soon.

Posted by -dmc

12:26 PM, Jun 16, 2008

"Had the team's ownership and management ranks believed that contending in 2009 was possible, it might have held on to Bavasi one more year."

I don't think those two ideas go hand-in-hand. In fact, I think they're mutually exclusive. With some very astute moves between now and next February, there's a chance (however small) that the team could content. The primary problem with Bavasi wasn't results (as terrible as those results have been), it was his methodology. That's what has to change. And if the Front Office is smart (o.k., that's obviously a hypothetical that has no relation to the world we live in...), they will bring in someone with a more contemporary and proven approach to player evaluation and roster construction. And then, perhaps, we could get lucky.

Posted by SnohoCo

12:26 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Yahoo! Finally! Won't have an immediate impact other than to breathe a new life of optimism among fans - which is not a bad thing at all!

Posted by Edgar

12:26 PM, Jun 16, 2008

A bright day in the history of the Mariners. The Dark age is over, rejoice, rejoice!

Posted by Chris

12:26 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Man, as much as I want to be optimistic about this change, I have no hopes that this organization will select a better GM in the future -- the incompetence of management goes too high to make me believe that anything will get better unless things further up start changing.

Posted by rkhoov

12:27 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Lincoln said, "Chuck and I have confidence in Lee Pelekoudas, who has been with the Mariners for many years and who is a respected baseball executive."
But does Pelekoudas have confidence in Lincoln and Armstrong? If so, he's not the man for the job. Poor judgment.

Posted by kaseyswagger

12:27 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Finally some accountability I hope we get Brian Cashman next year.

And this means Erik Bedard probably gets traded so hopefully we get some good prospects finally I saw this while I was watching the US Open and I screamed Yes! as if Tiger Woods hit a hole in one thats how exciting it is to see Bavasi get fired.

Posted by gone-shootin

12:28 PM, Jun 16, 2008

When will Lincoln honor his word... and step down?

He said in November 2006, that if Hargrove and Bavasi didn't work out, he would either step down or be up to the mercy of the Mariners board of directors.

Well... Hargrove and Bavasi are both gone.

So how 'bout it, "Howie?" Are you man enough to honor your word???

Doubtful.

Posted by Tacoma Rain

12:29 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Boys....now please go back and re-read Armstrong's comments....
ESPECIALLY the part where Lee Pelakoudis WILL BE CONSIDERED for the permanant GM job.
IS LEE really BETTER than Bavasi? or is it the same old regime in just a different suit?
I, for one, am not celebrating until I hear someone NEW and CREATIVE is hired.

Posted by vandelay87

12:33 PM, Jun 16, 2008

From Rotoworld.com.....

"Mariners fired GM Bill Bavasi.

We'd list Bavasi's poor decisions, but it'd probably overload the Rotoworld servers. The best indication of Bavasi's over-spending and poor roster development is that the team is currently sitting in last place with a top-10 payroll over $100 million."

Posted by Bumvasi

12:35 PM, Jun 16, 2008

...and the sun is shining, the birds are chirping...if only for a moment, all seems right with the world...

Posted by Adam

12:35 PM, Jun 16, 2008

So when do Howie and Chuck get canned?

Posted by shortbus

12:35 PM, Jun 16, 2008

This is a welcome change, but it's only the first of many decisions that need to be made, and it's probably the easiest. There are still plenty of moves for ownership to foul up before next season starts. There are the obvious ones, such as who will replace Bavasi and (hopefully, if the new GM isn't daft) McLaren. Less obvious is what happens with the excellent scouting and draft organization the team put together during Bavasi's tenure. I'd hate to see them toss out the baby with the bathwater.

Posted by Adam

12:35 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Re: Bedard - the Yankees just lost their ace.

Posted by Matt the Disgruntled Mariner Fan

12:36 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Praise GOD!!!!!!!!

Posted by Jared

12:39 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Now bringup Clement.

Posted by drake

12:39 PM, Jun 16, 2008

All my hopes for the M's hinge on two words from Lincoln's lips: "new approach."

Posted by Old Nick

12:41 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Oh, Happy Day!

Posted by NoRm

12:42 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Woot Woot finally a day without an UGH!! Woot Woot

Posted by Ziasudra

12:46 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I see a fly in the ointment - "Interim GM." Meaning, Lee has to toe the party line for the rest of the year or he's gone. Meaning: Lee might be unable to do anything worthwhile, after all. He could have been named GM, with a contract for the rest of the year, but without the weakening title.
Does any one know much about Lee?

Posted by Tom

12:48 PM, Jun 16, 2008

This is good news indeed. It's a relief to have the promise of good baseball in our future. I was at Safeco on Saturday night, and the fans are as supportive and enthusiastic as ever. It was a stadium full of people in search of a competent manager and focused players.

Geoff, at this point, how likely is the dismissal of McLaren? Isn't he the one in management most directly responsible for the lackluster play we've seen this year?

Posted by eastcoast

12:49 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Thank goodness.. I think every mariners fan just let out a collective sign of relief. But lets not fool ourselves, Bavasi was only responsible for putting players on the field. Mac is responsible for being the field general and the players are responsible for playing to the best of their abilites. Neither are happening, and Mac has been horribly disappointing. I think letting him finish the season would be a terrible mistake.

Mac, Richie, Vidro.. Welcome to Salem.. your next!

Posted by scrapiron

12:49 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Rumor has it that the Cubs have called to express their interest in Erik Bedard. Let's hope there's a trade deadline bidding war for him and we can reap the rewards. (And a GM in place that can effectively evaluate the talent we get in return)

Posted by Edgar

12:49 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Lee is not the long term solution, but my guess is if he clears it through Lincoln and Armstrong, he can do what he wants.

Posted by Pete A

12:50 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I wouldn't be surprised if we do see an improvement in the Mariners for the next 3 to 4 weeks. Players will realize that if they are released there career is probably over (who wants to pick up a discard from the worst team in the league) - so they will be out to impress the new GM. Until the lack of motivation and talent come to the fore again.

Posted by Chuck

12:52 PM, Jun 16, 2008

McLaren should be fired and a couple young position players brought up. Move Jeff Clemens to catcher, Ibanez to first base, cut Sexon, and play Reed every day in Left field. Mac should be fired JUST for trying to hand Reed a first baseman's glove. Reed is trying to concentrate on hitting major league pitching, not trying to play a brand new position at the same time. Anyone that thinks it is a good idea to bring up a kid and have him lay a new position knows little about baseball. Let Jo and one of the other Tacoma kids trade off at DH. Then start looking around trying to unload some of those big contracts prior to July 31. Bring in a hard nosed manager that will not sit around and let the veterans run the ball club.

Posted by The Centerfield Bum

12:53 PM, Jun 16, 2008

So, the GM's head has rolled about 6-weeks before the non-waiver trade deadline.

Is there really time at this point in the season to find and bring in somebody from outside the organization that will have time to develop a strategy that can start being implemented this year?

Does it even make sense to look outside the organization for a new GM at this point in the season?

Posted by Kev

12:54 PM, Jun 16, 2008

It's about time. Now..hopefully the new GM will have the whatchmacallits to blow up this team. Florida is in town. Let's use them as the example. No one is untouchable..here me Ichiro? Get young good prospects and build a team. Florida succeeds at that every 3-4 years. The only difference is this franchise has shown it'll spend to keep the prospects we gain. Sign them long term when there young. I say..Jose Lopez..gone, Betancourt..gone (if any takers), Beltre gone..see prior comment, Ibanez..gone..if anyone wants a 260 hitting, slow, below avg arm, Ichiro..only real trade value, Bedard..gone (new GM doesn't have to explain why so quick after giving up prospects), Felix..??? (not sure on him..still young..but could garner several prospects) Sexson, Washburn, Silva, Batista..just cut them and go with minor league this year. Putz..not worth what he was a year ago.

Posted by NickBob

12:54 PM, Jun 16, 2008

A good start, but Lincoln and Armstrong need to step down to change the direction of this team.
First Juneuary passes, now this. It's almost like Springtime!

Posted by Esteban

12:57 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Don’t want to rain on everyone’s parade, but if Pelakoudis is simply warming the seat for Pat ‘Sell the Farm’ Gillick (who own property in area) to come in next year, this is by no means great news, at least for the long term.

Bavasi was obviously overmatched as a GM, and an extraordinarily poor judge of talent, but he did bring Fontaine on board and the minor league system has improved markedly.

I don’t know. I’m really happy on one hand, but on the other, I’m well aware that guys like Frank Mattox are still around, and we all know that the layer of management above the GM just isn’t very baseball savvy. I just don’t see them inviting somebody like Antonitti or Ng in for interviews. I am crossing my finger though…

Posted by SEAFAN74

12:59 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Finally!! Great day for us all!

Posted by shortbus

1:02 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Ichiro isn't going anywhere. First of all the majority owner, IMO, won't allow it. Second of all, his contract is too big to move him for anything other than someone else's salary problem.

Oh, and third...he's not what's wrong with the team.

Trading Bedard at the deadline should seriously be considered. If you can find another team that believe's Bedard's 2/3 of a great season means he can be their ace for the next 1 1/2 years...you do it. If you can acquire a top-flight major league prospect or two I think you jump at the chance.

In other words, if you can get back at least half of what we gave up for Bedard, you should do it. He's not the pitcher Bavasi traded for, and he overpaid even given his overblown opinion of Bedard.

Posted by ewalk37

1:02 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I can finally start being an M's fan again. This date in Seattle from here on out should be recognized as a holiday. Let the kids have the day off from school.

Posted by Brian

1:02 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I would feel better about this if those who hired and kept Bavasi were not around to hire his replacement. The solutions to the problems here need to go still higher. The owners need to take an active role, at least to the extent of holding those who represent them to doing a job which reflects some level of competence.

Posted by fire_chuck_next

1:03 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Who is on the search group besides Armstrong and Lincoln?

Posted by AKMariner

1:04 PM, Jun 16, 2008

This Organization is a joke. This move letting Bavasi go is a good FIRST step but needs to go ALL the way.
Mr. Yamaouchi FIRE Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong!

Posted by Mike

1:11 PM, Jun 16, 2008

The best comment I have heard about what the Ms should do is "let the market come to you."

Whether it be Bedard or Raul or (insert player name) we don't have to be in any hurry. Too many times it seemed Bavasi would go to the market rather than letting it come to him.

Play your young guys. Start evaluating how to make the team better next year but don't get married to the idea of keeping Bedard or trading Bedard.

Posted by Capo

1:20 PM, Jun 16, 2008

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

Posted by GLS

1:20 PM, Jun 16, 2008

You mentioned a new 3-5 year plan for the new GM that would negate the current plan. That makes sense, but can someone please tell me what the current plan is that we have presumably been operating under for the last 3-5 years?

Posted by James from Walla Walla

1:20 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Hey Shortbus,

The Giants could use Ichiro!!

He was the All-star MVP there last year, they have a huge Asian communitie, and it's close to
Japan.

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

1:22 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Pelakoudas hopefully will not be the long-term choice but he should be okay as strictly an interim filler. This move will bring a breath of fresh air to the organization which has been dragged down by years of poor personnel decisions. Remember Randy, after being traded to the Astros, was very angry at some comments Pelakoudas made and said Lee should be pushing a mop somewhere rather than being an MLB exec. After two stints of dismal failure as a GM, Bonehead's career as a GM is now effectively over despite the legacy of his family name.

Posted by Bums

1:24 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Get the new guy out of the organization. Worst thing Bavasi did was hire McLaren full-time. Time for new blood and ideas. I can see them not doing much until the new guy gets in. Bedard should definitely go, even if at end of season. He is no ace.

Posted by ethan

1:26 PM, Jun 16, 2008

i just want you all to know..i just went outside and fired my AK-47 in the air ..ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!

Posted by daddydriz

1:27 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Ding dong the witch is dead. The witch is dead. The witch is dead. Ding dong the wicked witch is dead.

Posted by Saintevil

1:27 PM, Jun 16, 2008

About time. Thank you!

Posted by Chris from Bothell

1:27 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Nothing against the man personally, especially with the passing of his father so recently. I wish him well as a human being and hope he has the support of his family and friends as with anyone else who's just gotten fired.

That said: While it's about bloody time, if
Lincoln and Armstrong don't follow soon, this will cause almost as many problems as it solves. Who here really puts stock in Lincoln/Armstrong's vote of confidence in Pelakoudis, McLaren, etc.?

Posted by M Dogg

1:29 PM, Jun 16, 2008

"The Giants could use Ichiro!!

He was the All-star MVP there last year, they have a huge Asian communitie, and it's close to
Japan." Ichiro is a personal friend of Yamauichi. Ichiro generates mucho $$$ for the Mariners in ticket and merchandise. The only way Ichiro goes anywhere is if HE requests a trade. Who knows? maybe one day he will. But when/if he does, you can bet he will want to go to a contender. At this point, the 30-40 Giants don't fit that description.

Posted by yunicycle

1:30 PM, Jun 16, 2008

well it looks like all good things do come to and end. RIP Bill Bavasi.

Posted by Kev

1:30 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Shortbus, I agree the current ownership will probably not let Ichiro go..my meaning is if they follow a plan like Florida, which I would, then no one is untouchable. Also, I never claimed that Ichiro is the problem, but he's the best we have to offer for prospects. Remember, Florida blew up there World Series team and won another a few years later. A friggen team that won't spend money has won two while our plan has garnered us zero!!

Posted by MK in DC

1:31 PM, Jun 16, 2008

We've been waiting for this day for a long time. That being said, I can't help feeling a bit down for Bill. In one season, he lost his Dad and then (the day after Father's Day) he loses his job and it's all over the internet with people celebrating.

I know, I know. It's not personal. This is a business and he didn't get the job done. Bavasi definitely needed to be fired years ago. My heart doesn't bleed easily, but the timing seems kind of harsh considering that the season was over long ago. No?

Posted by Capo

1:33 PM, Jun 16, 2008

My only real concern is the lack of accountability from the people who really make the decisions.....Lincoln and Armstrong. i believe a great deal of the blame lays at Bavasi's feet for terrible decisions.......but by the same token, I think those two have a LOT of input on how things are done and what decisions are made.

Having said that, what really good candidate would want to come in and take over this mess? Chris Antonetti? Kim Ng, Paul DePodesta? If those people even get serious consideration or even an interview, given the feelings toward those type of minds in this organization. Do you think anyone in their right mind, who isn't absolutely desperate for a job, wants the M's GM position?

I'm scared that this is going to go badly, as has every other decision this group has made, and they'll leave Pelekoudus in charge for the rest of the season.

Why wasn't there a plan already in place? This seems like a spur of the moment decision made by people who have no clue what they are doing?

Posted by shortbus

1:36 PM, Jun 16, 2008

M Dogg is right...the organization just has no motive for trading Ichiro at this point in time. No doubt he would be a good player for a lot of teams, and could be an asset attendance-wise in SF or LA or even NY.

But the M's just don't have a reason to get rid of him. Under his current deal he's likely to be a valuable contributor for the next few years. As long as he's playing great CF and carries an OPS of .750 or more...he's a keeper.

Posted by Capo

1:38 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Lincoln said, "Chuck and I have confidence in Lee Pelekoudas, who has been with the Mariners for many years and who is a respected baseball executive."

If they had that much confidence in him, why didn't they give him the job instead of Bavasi, or Gillick? To me.....Pelekoudas is the fat ugly girl who gets invited to the prom...you know she isn't gonna say no, she is a sure thing........Sorry for a sexist analogy, but thats seriously what it is......He may get the job, but only after every good candidate laughs at the M's and passes on the job offer.

Funny.....Bavasi's firing wasn't even mentioned on ESPN news until 10 minutes into the news.....after blurbs about Sheffield and Wang.

Posted by Walla Walla Girl

1:40 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Finally ... Bavasi is fired. This is an excellent move, though I agree with the other posts that the firings/resignations of Armstrong and Lincoln must follow. They inspire no confidence whatsoever. Finish the housecleaning at the top. Don't let these guys hire the next GM.

Posted by Mark Solack

1:43 PM, Jun 16, 2008

this is a start. Yes, Bedard needs to be moved. Regain some prospects and play the youngsters. I spent my entire life in the great Northwest until this past year when I moved to Western New York. I follow the M's faithfully and will continue to do so. Their idea of "quick fixes," as we know have been disasters. The future will look promising when the following contracts are cleared off the books over the next two years: Sexson, Vidro, Bautista, Washburn, and Beltre. Any thoughts?

Posted by scrapiron

1:43 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Capo, great list of candidates, and yes, they would want the M's GM opening. I would think any GM worth his salt would look at a $117 million budget and drool. Add Pat Gillick to that list too.

They've already said the new GM would get to implement his own plan. Clean slate and big budget? Heck, I'd think Billy Beane would like that opportunity!

Posted by Capo

1:45 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Seriously, we all know the M's wont trade Ichiro....they could lose every game the rest of the season, but you know he will still make the team money, regardless of the rest of the team.

If I'm GM, I talk to the Dodgers about an Ichiro, Beltre, Washburn package for Kemp, Loney, Pierre, and Billingsley......I know thats a pipe dream.....but I trade Ichiro for no less that 2 MLB ready studs like Loney and Kemp.

I see a major housecleaning, maybe not immediately...outside of kicking Vidro and Sexson to the curb........and gauging interest in guys like Bedard, Ichiro, Lopez, Beltre, and Putz....but I see the team clearing as much payroll and roster space to give a new GM something to work with.......I don't see anything other than Sexson and Vidro moving until the GM is in place.

Posted by DistantFan

1:45 PM, Jun 16, 2008

A great day. So great that I plan to watch tonight's game (my first in a month), as a show of support for this much-needed first step toward re-vamping. Hell, I might buy a new hat, soon.

Of course Ichiro's staying put. As we all know, the M's are owned by the Japanese, and a very popular team over there. Would the owners risks losing their Japanese fan base (which I'm betting has begun to dwindle as much there as here), by trading away the favored son? Not likely.

Posted by Carl

1:46 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Lee Pelekoudas, not Pelakoudis. The guy's been with the Mariners for like 30 years. You're supposedly a journalist. Names and titles are fundamentals of your trade. Spell his name right.

Posted by Capo

1:47 PM, Jun 16, 2008

i don't think there is anyway the budget stays at $117mil, no chance. i think the ownership group let them take it that high because they thought they were that close to competing.....with the drop in attendance, the ownership group is going to claim they have taken a beating this season, and adjust the budget accordingly.........I'd expect it to drop under $100mil, easily.

Posted by ptrick

1:50 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Good start. But for a real shift, we need to go further up the food chain......

Howard Lincoln, October 2006:

"The entire organization, and especially me, is on the hot seat," he said in an interview at his stadium office. "I thought long and hard about continuing with Bill and Mike. I'm putting my neck out on the line because I believe in them.

"I've made it clear to the ownership group that, having made the decision, I'm fully responsible for it."

Posted by shortbus

1:53 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Great quote, ptrick! Hopefully ownership will hold Lincoln to his word.

Posted by Esteban

1:56 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Mike wrote at 1:11: "The best comment I have heard about what the Ms should do is "let the market come to you."
Whether it be Bedard or Raul or (insert player name) we don't have to be in any hurry. Too many times it seemed Bavasi would go to the market rather than letting it come to him.
Play your young guys. Start evaluating how to make the team better next year but don't get married to the idea of keeping Bedard or trading Bedard."

Really good point. I remember reading something like that in the Beane interview over at Athletics Nation. I think that this was one of Bavasi’s worst attributes: whether he was buying or selling, it seemed like he was so intent on the purchase or sale that he was totally oblivious to price or cost.

Posted by Drew

1:56 PM, Jun 16, 2008

This doesn't mean a damn thing until Lincoln and Armstrong are shown the door as well.

It's a step in the right direction, though.

Posted by Chris from Bothell

2:01 PM, Jun 16, 2008

And, my house-cleaning list:

Keep: Felix, Ichiro, Morrow, Clement, Beltre, Lopez, Dickey, RRS, Balentien.
Too expensive to trade: Silva, Johjima.

Trade for value: Bedard, Ibanez, Betancourt, Reed, Washburn (to NL).
Trade for ham sandwich: Bloomquist, Cairo, Burke, Batista.

Will likely eat ham sandwich obtained in trade: Vidro.
DFA as sunk cost: Sexson, Vidro.

Shopping list, I confess I don't know enough about what's out there in AAA to go scoop up. No vets, no spare parts from anyone playing in the majors now - get a boatload of AAA guys, stack 'em against what's left in Tacoma, and start looking at them ASAP. And use the freed up money next year to oh, I dunno, lower ticket prices.

I'd be very happy if this new plan and new approach included investing 3 or 4 years in home-growing talent, relearning and stressing fundamentals of the game, not building the team's identity on 1995 and 2001 anymore, rebuilding and demonstrating accountability by benching / releasing / sending down people more often, and so on.

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

2:02 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I'll be interested to see if Armstrong is at the press conference about the firing. Just a couple of weeks ago, Armstrong was quoted that Bavasi is doing an outstanding job - sort of like Bush and the former FEMA director. I can't help but think that this firing was mandated by Mr. Y. and that another shoe will be dropping soon (Armstrong?). Mac will undoubtedly be gone after a permanent GM is named - no point in jeapardizing our hard-earned top pick in the 2009 draft.

Posted by sean

2:03 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Guess Bavasi will have to start tucking in his shirt now that he'll be looking for a job.


Posted by scottM

2:04 PM, Jun 16, 2008

The biggest problem with Bill Bavasi was his poor player assessment coupled with a willingness to overpay. The fact that he was hamstrung with two bloated salaries in the two key offensive positions--First Base and DH--meant he could not, realistically, upgrade those two positions in 2008.

His bad luck was the injury to JJ Putz and the disarray this caused in the dugout.

The idea that the M's NEED to trade Bedard because Bavasi made a bad trade completely misses a key point. We skewer Bavasi for overpaying and giving away good players (Soriano, Cabrera), so why would this team look to unload Bedard prior to bringing in the new GM. Despite how he came here, Erik Bedard is the first or second best pitcher on the team. There is nothing wrong with shopping ANY of this cast of Mariners, but, unless most of the posters here want to make hypocrites of themselves, then trades should be made ONLY if it benefits the Mariners larger team strategy. Trading Bedard just to trade Bedard is ridiculous.

So, what is the Mariners larger team strategy? The short answer is that WE HAVEN'T A CLUE. Why would Lee Pelakoudis be given free reign to "blow this team up" if he's not going to be the permanent GM? Why would Armstrong and Lincoln blow the team up prior to hiring a new GM? How do we know what kind of team the new GM would want to assemble, or which of the current players he might choose to keep to build his team? Even if the M's are able to get several good prospects for Bedard or Washburn, what kind of players are they and will they fit into the larger team strategy.

Personally, I think Bavasi's firing doesn't or shouldn't tell us whether this team needs to be blown up, or simply overhauled. I think GEOFF is jumping the gun in this regard.

Posted by Gritty

2:06 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Turns out losing millions of the team's money CAN get you fired! Go go Howard Lincoln! NOW YOU'RE PLAYING WITH POWER!!

We knew it was going to happen 24 hours before it occurred. See the scoop here:

http://grittyandclutch.blogspot.com/2008/06/bill-bavasi-loses-millions-of-mariners.html

Posted by Bruce

2:09 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Scrapiron,
Last year (before Oakland did the smart thing and extended Billy Beane before his contract was due and gave him a piece of the franchise) I suggested throwing everything but (and!) the kitchen sink to hire him. I live in NorCal and every year I watch him retool the A's, with a miniscule budget, and keep them exciting and competitive. I can only dream what he can do with M's budget.

Posted by scrapiron

2:10 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Even a $100 million payroll is more than most of the GM candidates have had to work with. Only Kim Ng would take a budget cut to work here, and she'd probably relish the idea of being a full time GM instead of assistant.

Kim Ng (assistant, Dodgers) - $118 mil
Pat Gillick (Phillies) - $98 mil
Chris Antonetti (assistant, Indians) - $78 mil
Billy Beane (A's) - $47 mil
Larry Beinfest (Marlins) - $21 mil

Posted by caineman

2:11 PM, Jun 16, 2008

About time...
Blow it up...

Posted by Jeff C

2:15 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Wow, does Wang going down for 6 weeks offer the M's the perfect storm to send them Bedard and do a Bavasi job on them?

Posted by Court Jester

2:16 PM, Jun 16, 2008

They need to lauch a rumor that Bedard is just unhappy and only pitches 100 innings in protest.

That way someone will take a flyer on him.

Posted by M Dogg

2:18 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Listening to Lincoln at the press conference: Much different tone this time. The 'outstanding jobs' and pats on the back have been replaced by words of frustration and threats of more changes. It's about time!!!!

Posted by Gordie

2:19 PM, Jun 16, 2008

If only Lincoln and Armstrong were right behind Bavasi.

Posted by C-Boyd

2:20 PM, Jun 16, 2008

LINCOLN reads Geoff's BLOG!!!!

HE just admitted to it.

Sweet

Posted by yunicycle

2:22 PM, Jun 16, 2008

this team just got way less gasey. this is good. can we still rebound for the 3rd place, maybe second??? i think so

Posted by shortbus

2:33 PM, Jun 16, 2008

scottM

We don't need to trade Bedard. However, if it looks like some other team is under the impression that Bedard is all they need to win the World Series, and they offer us a good package, we should take it.

Bedard is not the second best pitcher on this team. He's behind Morrow in my mind. He just hasn't shown the "aceness" the M's thought they were getting. And odds are, he's gone after next year. If you can get two or more high quality prospects, or a major leaguer and a prospect for him...I think you do it.

Posted by Anti-Ichiro League

2:35 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Must Trades/DFA: Ichiro, Johjima, Washburn, Batisa, Sexson, Vidro, Bedard, Cairo, Beltre

Must Keep: Lopez, Bloomquist (can play every position defensively, ignore the inability to hit), Yuni, Felix, Silva, JJ, RRS

everyone else is in limbo

Must aquire: a 1B, DH, 2 OF, 3B, and someone to lead this team (Giffey Jr maybe???)

Posted by Mike

2:35 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Esteban---Come to think of it I think Beane is where that comment came from. What would Billy do with the Ms? He'd evaluate, listen to offers and not be afraid to be flexible.

Posted by Larry the Flying Leemur

2:36 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Finally.
Now, we still have to wait through some scary times, after all it appears Lincoln/Armstrong will hire the new GM.
I sincerely hope they do not think Lee Pelakoudis is the answer.
That would be the worst possible scenario, IMO... fire Bavasi, then hire the Yes-Man who has been with the organization for 29 years.
That would be simply unacceptable. We would be doomed to 3-5 years of the same... old... cr*p. Same old philosophy, same old scouts...
What this team needs is NOT same-ol' same-ol'.

Posted by Walla Walla Girl

2:37 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I watched the news conference. I found Mr. Lincoln to be sincere and believable. My question to him is, "Why does Mr. Armstrong still have a job?" I think Armstrong is part of our problem. Do we want him hiring and working with our next GM?

Posted by Slasher

2:38 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Thank God!!! It is about time!!! I'll take this over a winning season! :) Too bad this, along with the US Open, only serve to overshadow the theft of the Sonics.

Posted by scrapiron

2:44 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Bruce, I realize that Beane won't take the Mariners job, since he got a piece of the team. But he has a constant fight over budget every year and would drool if the A's gave him $100 mil to work with.

Now the big decision: Do you go "old school" with a GM like Gillick, or go "new school (saber)" with someone like Antonetti? I know ownership is very uncomfortable with the new math, but it is a business, and the new math is making more money than old math.

Does anyone remember the rumor a year or so ago that had Pat Gillick putting together a group of investors to potentially make a bid to buy the Mariners? I wonder if they'd consider giving Pat a piece of the team in return for a GM role, with the opportunity for his group to purchase more shares later?

Posted by xteve

2:45 PM, Jun 16, 2008

"The fact that he was hamstrung with two bloated salaries in the two key offensive positions--First Base and DH--meant he could not, realistically, upgrade those two positions in 2008. "

Sure he could have. He could have DFAd Sexson, moved Vidro to bench, recalled Clement to play 1B or platooned someone there; there's always options. If Bavasi was "hamstrung" he had nobody to blame but himself. He signed Sexson, he signed Vidro. This is the only org in MLB I can think of that would not only play a no-power guy at DH but then actually pretend that he was good at it.

Posted by Mike

2:49 PM, Jun 16, 2008

scrap--I know this isn't what you are saying but I don't think any of the new-school candidates would want to eschew the old-school emphasis on scouting. Rather they would add more information to their decision making processes than the Ms have seemed to over the past several years. The new way includes significant amounts of the old way. I'm sure Theo Epstein and Billy Beane value their scouts.

Posted by Nat

2:53 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Yay! A great FIRST step! I'm holding my breath to see what happens next, which will tell us what direction the M's FO is going in.

Posted by Joe

2:54 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I'm buying tickets now!!!!!

Posted by mike

2:57 PM, Jun 16, 2008

YYYEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! And the only guy dumber than bavasi will be next. See you later Mclaren. Lets get a real GM and manager.

Posted by scottM

3:03 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Yes, Shortbus, if the M's are approached with a high quality offer for Bedard, then entertain it, perhaps act on it. But to go out and shop him without a larger team philosophy in place will not be in the best interests of this team. One of the worst traits of Bavasi was his overeagerness in the trade arena.

If you are applying for the GM position with the Mariners, which philosophy would you present during your interview:

(A)
I want to blow the whole thing up... give me five years and I'll have us contending. I'm going to see what we can get in trade for every player except Felix, Morrow, and Ichiro. I am an expert in judging baseball talent, and I'm asking you to give me the reins of this team, top to bottom.

(B)
I think I can work with the core of what we have, and I've factored in the existing contractual obligations this team has for '09 and beyond. I believe I can get more out of Beltre, Yuni, and Lopez. Ichiro is only having a slight down season. The pitching staff is only two or three pieces away. Johjima is looking better and I like the promise of this kid, Clement. JJ Putz is the worst piece of luck this team has had in '08. I think we can stretch out Morrow for the starting rotation. Give me one more year with Bedard, and the resources to go out and find one solid outfielder, a proven powerhitting DH, and a good first baseman. With this opportunity, I'm guardedly optimistic that the Seattle Mariners will be a playoff contender in 2009.

Posted by scrapiron

3:03 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Mike,
You are absolutely correct. No saber GM sits in a corner and works out math problems all day. They take advise from the scouts, especially on the intangibles like defense, tools, and attitude. They combine that information with their statistical evaluations to make well rounded decisions.

You mentioned Theo Epstein. Great example. Used the scouting network that was in place and kept that synergy going, then hired Bill James to round out the analysis.

Posted by JezWonderin'

3:03 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Does Lee get the call to fire McLaren? Then a new GM comes into play after Mac is gone, and any "stigma" of firing Mac goes out the door with Lee, and the Ms get a fresh start with no recriminations with a new manager and GM?

Posted by macdoubter

3:04 PM, Jun 16, 2008


I would feel better about this if those who hired and kept Bavasi were not around to hire his replacement.

I agree. It's the first thing I thought of. Hmmmm.

Posted by Mike Wilson

3:05 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Wow! Didn't think Mr. Lincoln with his resounding endorsement of Bavasi just a month and a half ago would flip flop and fire Bavasi! Yippeeeeeeeeeeee skippeeee, but it's only a token change as long as Lincoln and Armstrong are in charge. Blow up the rest of the FO, Lincoln and Armstrong, and watch as things shake out. To truly have a "new 5 year plan" work the M's need upper management that completely buys into and supports the new GM and we won't get that as long as it's the same old leadership at the top. I wonder how much impact this will have on the underachieving players now? Some will wise up and realize it's time to finally perform at their level to either keep their roster spot or to earn decent money and respect of their new team after being traded.

Another question, will they cut salaries to avoid the 100/100 club, because they will still be losing at an awful pace, or will they wait for more changes to see which way the wind is blowing before deciding on any other defining moves? They really need to study how to create and retain an efficient ratio between cost of talent and winning percentage. Look at the teams with the most wins or highest winning percentage per million dollars paid for it.

Good first step, now show Lincoln and Armstrong the door, spend the money on a great FO, then let them create the three to five year plan. Shoot, Bavasi's firing alone should put more optimism in the seats, read maybe start to equal last year's attendance count for starters.

Posted by fg

3:06 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Perhaps I am wrong but, I am a bit sad too, I wanted Bill to be right. I am sad because, if I were a betting man, I would guess, at best, we are three years from contention. My heart tells me we are five years from contention.

I am not saying it isn't the right direction to go by firing Mr. Bavasi, it was, but I cant seem to muster the exuberance. Someone said we have become the worst run franchise in MLB, and in that I had to agree, but it was with no glee at being right. The worst run franchises if we look over the years take eons to turn around if they ever do-see Montreal/Nats. If we become the Cardinals of the MLB, with always a quick exit, with always a poor decision, we will only have the sick mirth of seeing people fail over and over again.

ugh, at least it is sunny.

FG

Posted by Top pick in 09 draft

3:12 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I guess the 7/19 BagHead Day fan protest is on the backburner for now. Bavasi was the #1 target of fan unhappiness and this team's giving him the boot mid-season is a big step as they haven't fired a GM or manager in the middle of a season since 1988. Mac has no chance of returning to the manager job in 2009 so he's basically a caretaker until the new permanent GM is selected.

Posted by scottM

3:12 PM, Jun 16, 2008

xteve:

What I meant by Bavasi being hamstrung had to do with those salaries as a practical matter. Of course, Bavasi hamstrung himself, but practically speaking, it would have been pre-season suicide for him to go to Armstrong and Lincoln or the owners:

"You know that $23 million investment I made in Vidro and Sexson this year. It was a mistake as big as the entire Florida Marlin's team salary, so I don't think we should give ourselves a chance for them to earn their keep this season.

Posted by Maudlin Fan

3:14 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Wang is hurt and it sounds like opportunity knocking to me. Lee will have to find his feet quickly!

Posted by nature

3:25 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Maybe the interim GM will trade Sexson for a paper bag. That way he'll have one to wear on the 19th of next month :-)

It's about time. IT sort of sucks though as while they look for a new GM they probably won't do the rest of the required house cleaning. We'll get more Sexson, Silva, Wasburn, etc. etc. for the rest of the season. I'd rather they DFA those guys and bring up the younger guys to lose games.

Posted by marinermj

3:26 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Geoff - Who would you like to see takeover as the new GM?

Posted by Mike

3:29 PM, Jun 16, 2008

""You know that $23 million investment I made in Vidro and Sexson this year. It was a mistake as big as the entire Florida Marlin's team salary, so I don't think we should give ourselves a chance for them to earn their keep this season."

Well, there's that old saying, "when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging." Perhaps if Bavasi had cut bait on his overpaid over-the-hill hitters....

Posted by Mr. X

3:36 PM, Jun 16, 2008

This is easily one of the Top 5 greatest days in the history of the franchise. Good luck to you, Bill Bavasi. I hope you "land on your feet", and find another job quickly, in another profession. Here are my favorite Bill Bavasi memories, all huge parts of his legacy:

June 27, 2004 - Becomes the first GM in Major League history to trade for a player with a failed steroid test. (Mike Morse)


2005 - Becomes the first GM since 1916 to preside over a team with back-to-back 90+ loss seasons after having back-to-back 90+ win seasons.


7/31/05 - Recalled Jamal Strong from AAA Tacoma, four months after Strong became the first player on the Mariner 40-man roster to test positive for performance enhancing drugs.


8/27/2005 - Bill Bavasi became the first GM in Major League history to start a position player with a failed drug test when Jamal Strong started against the White Sox. (Strong's first appearance was on August 13th against the Royals).


8/13/2005 - Bill Bavasi becomes the first GM in Major League history to start a pitcher with a failed drug test. (Ryan Franklin)


January 11, 2006 - Bill Bavasi becomes the first GM in Major League history to sign a known and admitted steroid user as a free agent. (Matt Lawton)


2007- After being 20 games over .500, Bavasi’s Mariners went on to have a 1-12 stretch before the season ended.

Posted by scottM

3:39 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Mike, the real world scenario of eating $23 million is much different than assembling a Fantasy Team where you can cut your dogs with ease. This said, Bavasi's propensity to give long-term, high-dollar contracts to vets on the downhill slide, has proven to be his undoing.

Posted by Mr. X

3:41 PM, Jun 16, 2008

And yes, that does mean that I have set an appointment with the piano tuner almost 2 months before I usually do. I have a feeling it's going to get a good workout this weekend.

Posted by Visiting Fan

3:44 PM, Jun 16, 2008

"Wang is hurt and it sounds like opportunity knocking to me. Lee will have to find his feet quickly!"

I'd think the Yankees would go for C.C. Sabathia before they even think about Bédard. It's a better fit for them and there's a much better chance that they can re-sign C.C. than they would Bédard...

Posted by Dave from the coast

3:55 PM, Jun 16, 2008

If the firing of Mr. Bavasi means that somehow the Mariners organization can do what it needs to, to at least be competitive, then it's good news. Why an entire team slumps at the same time in the hitting department is beyond me. Why all of the pitchers all seem to be ineffective at the same time is also very, very strange. I'm not sure how the acquisitions of one or two players is going to turn around the mood in the clubhouse and Suddenly Make Everything All Better...maybe a little more flexibility (such as bringing up players from Tacoma) isn't such a bad idea. Of course, it would be nice to score a really good pitcher or effective hitter before the trading deadline, but it's gonna take a while to turn this team around, no matter who's in charge, just because things have been so gloomy in Seattle for such a long time. I wish Richie had been able to live up to his potential; I wish the pitchers had been able to actually Win Games instead of constantly placing the team in come-from-behind situations game after Game after GAME. So the soap opera will continue, and maybe now that the "shame factor" has pretty much booted Bavasi out the door will travel up the chain of command, resulting in Managerial housecleaning. I don't know what to say about McLaren; he seems like a good guy who's made some bad judgements along the way, but then again, look what he's had to work with. McLaren will probably end up losing his job, but Managers don't acquire players...the higher-ups do. If I were McLaren, at this point, I think I'd just pull a "Hargrove" and go home. Either that or look for a mid-level position somewhere else on some other team, safely out of the line of fire. Could anyone blame him? It's gonna be a long season...

Posted by firemacnow

4:02 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Geoff..I heard during the press conference that Howard Lincoin admittted to reading your blog!!! and that it brought a smile to your face....Hey Howard if your reading this, FIRE ARMSTRONG NEXT!!! The war reference on how we have not yet begun to fight?? What are we wating for to be 30 games below .500

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

4:03 PM, Jun 16, 2008

My prayers have been answered. There is a sliver of hope our beloved Mariners can be saved!

Larry Beinfest for GM 2009!

Posted by Adam

4:06 PM, Jun 16, 2008

If Howie really is reading the blog, here's a name:

Mike Rizzo.

Assistant GM for the Nationals; was the main guy who built up the D-Backs' system.

Posted by Mike

4:07 PM, Jun 16, 2008

"Mike, the real world scenario of eating $23 million is much different than assembling a Fantasy Team where you can cut your dogs with ease. This said, Bavasi's propensity to give long-term, high-dollar contracts to vets on the downhill slide, has proven to be his undoing."

Having never assembled a fantasy team, I'll take your word for it. I understand that $23M is a LOT of sunk cost. But look at it this way. So were the pieces we gave up in the Bedard deal.

Posted by BrianL

4:14 PM, Jun 16, 2008

As much as it pains me to say it, I have a feeling I know who our new GM is going to be.

Wayne Krivsky.

Posted by Esteban

4:26 PM, Jun 16, 2008

BrianL wrote: “As much as it pains me to say it, I have a feeling I know who our new GM is going to be.
Wayne Krivsky.”

Given the individuals who will obviously be making this decision, that’s a pretty safe bet. It might be hard to sell his record in Cincinnati, though. I’m guessing that Gilllick will be back with them in some capacity next year. I just hope Frank Mattox doesn’t return as the head of scouting.

Posted by greyguy3

5:38 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Yay! Except I'm a bit afraid of who they'll hire. When was the last time we had a good GM? Have we ever had a good GM?

And to the person who wanted Gillick back, you might want to review your history. He was terrible. He ruined our farm system and brought in the same sort of washed up vets that Bavasi tended to sign.

Posted by Ditch digger

6:10 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Great news! Now it's time for Lincoln to go to the theater.

Posted by joebbaseball

6:39 PM, Jun 16, 2008

You know as much as Bavasi has not made good decisions, and I don't really like him at all, I just watched is press conference, and you have to give him credit for standing up and taking full responsibilty for this mess. He did put a team together that should have competed. This team blows, and it starts with none of them being accountable for their own bs! The ironic thing is if this team was as stand up and accountable as Bavasi then he would probably still have his job.

Posted by Nick

7:37 PM, Jun 16, 2008

I know that we need a new GM, but if we are going to blame anyone for besides the players, it should be McLaren. It's not like we got a bunch of new players who are all bad. Most of our team is the same from last year. They just got worse. You can't blame Bavasi for that.

Posted by cubby

9:31 PM, Jun 16, 2008

Look for Cubs to trade 2 pitching prospects and a middle relief pitcher.

Posted by Matt300

10:20 PM, Jun 16, 2008

How many more times do we have to hear Chuck Armstrong talk about his time on an aircraft carrier (which he put into M's programs in the Arggghhh!eros years). What's that got to do with baseball? Oh, and how unintentionally ironic to cite to John Paul Jones' "We have only begun to fight". Based on their record, that's undoubtedly true.

Posted by Rich

10:54 AM, Jun 17, 2008

I don't understand why the Mariners fired the GM. Its not his fault the team sucks, its the managers fault as far as I'm concerned. This team doesn't act like it wants to put forth an effort to win any games.They the team act likes a effort just to show up. I say Fire the Manager and then work your way down the line.... Pretty soon you will have a whole new team that might want to play and win. Instead of play and lose......

Posted by drgpshr1

1:21 PM, Jun 17, 2008

The Angels were in the same position until Disney sold and Bavasi was fired

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