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April 24, 2008 9:52 PM

Baltimore Orioles at Mariners: 4/24 game thread

Posted by Geoff Baker

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9:52 p.m.: Just when you thought it was safe to breathe again, the O's just took am 8-7 lead in the eighth on a leadoff homer to right by Brian Roberts off Sean Green. This Seattle bullpen is not getting the job done once again tonight. The M's have two more innings to rectify that. My opinion? The sooner the Orioles leave town, the better things will get for the M's. This Baltimore club just spells bad news for Seattle. Some teams are like that some years. This is one of those years for the M's where the O's are concerned.

A look below at a video of the some of the Latin American players for the Mariners partaking in their usual pre-batting practice ritual. The game they are playing is called "flip''. They stand in a circle and bat the ball towards one another using their glove hands. The idea at first is to keep the ball from touching the ground. But after a while, they try to get each other "out'' by smacking a ball towards a player who cannot keep it in the air. They can position the ball with their bare hands by teeing it up, in mid-air, then whack it with their gloves. Anyhow, you know what they say: a team that plays together...hits together? No, that's not it. I'm not sure.

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9:45 p.m.: This wild game continues as Yuniesky Betancourt reaches on a leadoff single in the seventh and Ichiro follows with a two-run homer to right off reliever Jamie Walker. Now a 7-7 game. Hold on to your caps, this could get rough.

9:28 p.m.: John McLaren just got tossed for arguing balls and strikes with home plate umpire Casey Moser in the seventh inning. More importantly, the Mariners just allowed four runs that frame, two go-ahead markers coming on a double to left off the bat of Adam Jones. Some of it came courtesy of Moser, whose tight strike zone infuriated Arthur Rhodes after he appeared to have leadoff man Brian Roberts struck out. Roberts instead respoinded with a single, Melvin Mora followed with another and Rhodes then walked Nick Markakis on four pitches to load the bases with none out. McLaren came out to yank Rhodes, but stopped to jaw with Moser along the way and got tossed. Rhodes is still barking at Moser from the dugout and could be gone soon if he doesn't stop. Look for some between-innings fireworks there.

Mark Lowe came on and yielded a sacrifice fly to left to score one run. Lowe then allowed a single up the middle by Aubrey Huff that tied it. A walk loaded the bases with two out and Jones came up. He fell behind 0-2, took a ball, then fouled off two more pitches to stay alive. Jones then drilled a ball off the left field wall that didn't miss being a grand slam by much. An important at-bat for Jones in his continuing maturation. Umpire or not, the M's have blown a 5-0 lead. It's 7-5 for the O's heading to the seventh-inning stretch.

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8:59 p.m.: The Orioles just scored again in the sixth, with a controversial infield single creating the damage. Jay Payton led off with a grounder in the hole behind second that Jose Lopez made a fantastic play and throw on. The ball and Payton arrived at first at the same time. Umpire Greg Gibson ruled him safe. The replay appeared to back that up -- by the thinnest of magins -- but manager John McLaren went out and argued in any event. Payton advanced to second on a groundout, stole third, then scored on another infield single by Adam Jones. Now a 5-3 game as we head to the seventh. The M's need to add some runs or things could get tight indeed.

8:45 p.m.: Baltimore has made it a 5-2 affair, heading into the sixth inning. A pair of singles by Melvin Mora and Nick Markakis -- the latter of which deflected off an outstretched glove -- left runners at the corners with none out. Jarrod Washburn then got a big 6-4-3 double play off the bat of Kevin Millar. The run scored, but further trouble was avoided. Washburn is done after only five innings. Those early walks ran his pitch count up too high, not to mention the Yuniesky Betancourt error that prolonged the third inning by two batters. Roy Corcoran on to pitch.

8:20 p.m.: Baltimore got a run back in the fourth on a leadoff homer to left by Jay Payton on a 2-2 pitch. That made it 5-1. The O's then caught a break when Yuniesky Betancourt played a two-out grounder a little too nonchalantly and let it take a high hop past him for an error. Brandon Fahey then notched a two-out single to put two on, but Jarrod Washburn escaped with a strikeout of Brian Roberts.

8:15 p.m.: Seattle has a 5-0 lead after putting up four runs in the third inning and knocking starter Adam Loewen from the game. We saw some good things from the M's in that inning, drawing walks, cashing in runners from third with a pair of sacrifice flies, not to mention a double-steal by Ichiro (pictured above, hanging with teammates) and Adrian Beltre that set up a two-run, ground-ruled double by Jose Vidro (yes, you heard right) over the head of center fielder Adam Jones. Hey, Adam Jones would have caught that. Er...oh wait, check that.

Anyhow, let's not go popping champagne corks over the M's just yet. While the hitters have had a hand in some of tonight's success, the struggling Loewen played a key role as well. Some Baltimore folks I talked to before the game had an over-under pool going on him lasting just 4 1/3 innings. He beat the low end handily tonight, clocking in at just 2 2/3 frames in front of a large contingent of fans from his British Columbia. Loewen wasn't landing many first-pitch strikes -- or many strikes period for that matter. So, not exactly a tough test. But it's a start. And an offense struggling like this one has will take it.

7:54 p.m.: More bad luck for Washburn to pitch out of in the top of the third. A pickoff attempt at second went awry as Kenji Johjima's throw hit runner Adam Jones -- who would have been dead-to-rights on the play. Instead, Jones wound up at third with one out (he'd gotten on with a double). But Brandon Fahey lined out to shallow left, with Raul Ibanez making a strong throw home. Jones held at third. After a walk to Brian Roberts, Melvin Mora popped out foul to first base. Washburn then walked Nick Markakis, who'd been just 1-for-9 off him before than fluke infield hit in the first, but rebounded to get kevin Millar to pop out to second. Nice pitching by Washburn, other than the three walks issued so far. He's at 56 pitches through three innings already. Time to cut that down.

7:37 p.m.: Adrian Beltre went deep to left to lead off the bottom of the second inning, giving the Mariners a 1-0 lead. The count was full when Beltre took Adam Loewen deep. He got his pitch -- with Loewen needing to throw a strike -- and did not miss. Jarrod Washburn got into some trouble in the first inning, walking Melvin Mora with one out and then having a Nick Markakis shot deflect off his foot. Beltre tried to barehand the ball, but overran it, allowing Mora to take third. But Washburn managed to strike out Kevin Millar on a 3-2 pitch and Markakis -- running on the full-count pitch -- was thrown out at second. Washburn got the side 1-2-3 in the top of the second, before Beltre's homer.

The lineups:

ORIOLES (12-9)

1 Brian Roberts 2B
6 Melvin Mora 3B
21 Nick Markakis RF
15 Kevin Millar 1B
17 Aubrey Huff DH
16 Jay Payton LF
55 Ramon Hernandez C
10 Adam Jones CF
12 Brandon Fahey SS

29 Adam Loewen LHP

MARINERS (11-11)

51 Ichiro CF
4 Jose Lopez 2B
28 Raul Ibanez LF
29 Adrian Beltre 3B
3 Jose Vidro DH
44 Richie Sexson 1B
2 Kenji Johjima C
16 Willie Bloomquist RF
5 Yuniesky Betancourt SS

56 Jarrod Washburn LHP

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Posted by scottM

7:10 PM, Apr 24, 2008

I posed the question before the season as to which of the M's position players might be the clubhouse motivator the way that Jose Guillen was in '07. Every third or fourth game this team seems to put up a real snoozer at the plate. These lackluster performances should be viewed by the team as an embarrassment. Only JJ Putz shows the fiery leadership that this group needs. Problem is, he's in the bullpen.

Scrapiron, I like the idea of platooning Clement and Johjima. Except, I would rather see Clement DH the three days when he's not catching and Vidro play DH when Clement is catching. Johjjima would be a worse DH than Vidro. Three days on and two off would be fine for Joh the way he's hitting. Two days on and three days off would keep Vidro fresher.

Again (and again), Balentien should be given a serious chance in RF.

Besides the obvious promise of these two AAA players, one of the reasons I like this youth movement is to light a fire under this leaderless bunch of position players. [Most of these M's have been hitting this April the way Shaun Alexander would hit the hole ever since he landed his big contract].

Posted by Adam

7:23 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Again Vidro in the 5 spot.

Whatever. I'm just a caveman...

Posted by Adam

7:25 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Already a walk!!

Let's see if the M's have realized how stupid they were for letting Daniel Cabrera throw so few pitches, and how far they've gone from their opening "emphasis" on taking pitches.

Posted by Adam

7:28 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Oops - also meant to say that Loewen is a walks machine. He has walked 100 batters in 158 career IPs.

Posted by Babu

7:35 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Step it up, Ms -- Oakland and LA both have wins tonight.

Posted by Dignan

7:42 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Wow...Kenji's swing looks absolutely awful. Steps in the bucket every time with a terrible follow anyone working with him??? The only pitch he can hit right now is a mistake on the inner half...and normally he'll pull that foul. He needs to pick it up.

Posted by John

7:43 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Ichiro catches that if he dives.
The guy is a great ballplayer, but there ARE things about him that drive me nuts.

Posted by rc

7:43 PM, Apr 24, 2008

this offense is painful to watch, one good shot by Beltre, 3 easy outs yuk.

Posted by Babu

7:47 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Although, if he dives and gets one out -- but tears his labrum a la Mike Morse and has season-ending surgery, it doesn't really help the Ms.

Posted by ricofoy

8:00 PM, Apr 24, 2008

7 K's through 3 for Lincecum.

Posted by ht

8:07 PM, Apr 24, 2008

oh my goodness, is that an rbi for vidro....i thought he had his total quota for the month already.....

GO Clement and Balentien!!!!

Posted by drlo

8:07 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Diving is highly over-rated, both defensively (especially in the outfield) and on the bases. Injuries aside (though a very real issue), it is highly debatable that diving covers any more ground than keeping one's feet and going full speed. The possible exception is diving from a standstill position. Let's remember that Mike Hargrove in his infinite wisdom thought otherwise, which in itself ought to be enough to get most of us to agree that diving might not be all it is cracked up to be.

Posted by sjazzdude

8:12 PM, Apr 24, 2008

McLaren needs to platoon Vidro out of the 5 spot. We are absolutely getting nothing out of his bat. I also don't understand why he keeps Ibanez in the lineup when they face lefties. Ibanez couldn't hit southpaws if his life depended on it.

I question Macs decisions in the lineup. You know there's a problem When your 5th, 6th and 7th hitters can't generate enough power to dimly light a light bulb.

Combine the offensive power outage with their shotty defense and questionable bullpen, we have the makings of a marginal .500 team.

Posted by Nay Laren

8:22 PM, Apr 24, 2008


While I don't wish to defend Vidro in particular and I am all for his dfa, he just had an 2 rbi double and Raul drove one deep to right for an rbi sacrifice fiy. So they both did their jobs in the bottom of the third. Talk of replacing people is all good and well but you have to have an upgrade in mind to make it work. The M's options are limited at the moment, Clement for Vidro would seem to be the best possibility and then Balienten for Wilkerson is likewise the best they can do at the moment. It may be June or so as we near the trading deadline that we might be able to pick up a power bat but it is unlikely for now because no one is dealing.

Posted by sjazzdude

8:24 PM, Apr 24, 2008

I saw that last AB from Sexson. Right before he swings, he brings his hands in close to his body and then swings. The only pitch he can handle is if it's thrown in on him. That's why he pulls everything to the left side of the field. Haven't you guys noticed that even all of his homeruns go over the left field wall. He needs to try to spread the ball across the whole field.

What he needs to do is try to inside out his swing. However, he's not going to be able to do that when he moves his hands in.

ARGH!!!! Another error?????

We must have the worse defensive team in all of baseball.

Posted by sjazzdude

8:27 PM, Apr 24, 2008


Vidro, Sexson and Johjima are the 5th, 6th and 7th hitters

Posted by Nay Laren

8:30 PM, Apr 24, 2008


You were ragging on Raul and Vidro, I was just pointing out that in the third they both contributed rbis. Of course, I watched which you appear to have not done so. Certainly I know were they are hitting in the order, dude!

Posted by Ben

8:33 PM, Apr 24, 2008

washburn needs to throw way fewer pitches per game...

Posted by sjazzdude

8:38 PM, Apr 24, 2008

I just saw Johjima's last AB. Pentland must be the worse batting coach ever. How can he not see that Johjima is opening up his body way too soon.

Johjima is not keeping his weight back at all. He's transferring it to the front like a golf swing. His body is already open by the time he swings at, or makes contact with the ball. By then all of the energy has already been spent in his motion and not in the swing. Has anyone noticed that he can only pull the ball. He's not driving up the middle or trying to hit it to the otherside.

He also maybe crouching too low in his stance. He may have to stand taller to keep he weight back longer in his stance.

Posted by Ben

8:41 PM, Apr 24, 2008

conversly, we're not making this new pitcher work very much at all.

Posted by sjazzdude

8:45 PM, Apr 24, 2008


At least Ibanez got a sac fly. I guess that what's the next best thing when he can't get on base. Well, now since there's been another pitching change and he's facing a righty, he hits a double. Let's see if they can bring him in.

Posted by Pentland

8:48 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Jazzdude: Report to Safeco immediately, you are our new hitting coach. Where have you been hiding. Get down there now!

Posted by Nay Laren

8:51 PM, Apr 24, 2008


Ibanez hit his sacrifice fly off the O's starter Lowen who is left handed. While someone must have the statistics available here, I think that Ibanez hits lefty well - at least he did so tonight with that sac fly. Your comment on Vidro and Raul came over the blog just after they had each had big rbi at bats, so it made little sense given their clutch performances. While I will be happy to see Vidro, dfa, it pays to comment on what you have seen and can verify - otherwise its called ignorance.

Posted by Resin isn't Cheating

8:52 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Diving is highly over-rated, both defensively (especially in the outfield)

Lo-I understand that if you make the proper read of the ball off the bat, you don't need to dive. However, if you still made the proper read and can save your team an out by getting your jersey dirty. You get your jersey dirty. If I was the manager and I had a player on my team that didn't dive for a ball, he'd be sitting on the bench if it became a habit.

Just curious is this how you were taught to play the outfield?

Posted by Wash

8:54 PM, Apr 24, 2008

fluff for sick56, name calling is all you know - very juvenile.

Posted by Nat

8:57 PM, Apr 24, 2008

5-2, now 5-3 Jarrod's lead slipsliding away...

Time to manufacture some runs, guys!

Posted by BavasiRocks

9:03 PM, Apr 24, 2008


The reason Sexson pulls his hands in is so he can hit the inside pitch with the head of the bat. Contrary to your statement, he really has power to all fields. I just looked up his Safeco field hitting chart for all seasons and he has 2Bs and HRs spread pretty evenly all over the field. As you'll remember his only Safeco field home run this year was to right center.

What a terrible call by the 1st base ump in the 6th that led to a run for the Orioles. Great play by Lopey though!

Posted by sjazzdude

9:05 PM, Apr 24, 2008


one hit doesn't make doesn't make up for all of their other missed opportunities. I'm glad to see Vidro come up with that ground rule double. However, when you look at their averages, they are not hitting well at all. Going into this game, Sexson is hitting .205, Vidro is hitting .200 and Johjima is hitting .197. When the 5,6 and 7 hitters are hitting this bad, they are not creating many scoring opportunites.

Posted by Nat

9:06 PM, Apr 24, 2008

I hope this is the New Arthur out there! The Old Arthur (last year he pitched for M's - 03-04?) used to make me very nervous...

Posted by TimsHead

9:08 PM, Apr 24, 2008

I know it's fashionable to bag on Sexson and Vidro, and their flirtation with the Mendoza Line makes them valid targets.

However, I hired a team of researchers, and they came up with these shocking statistics: Both Sexson and Vidro have 15 RBI in the 23rd game of the season.

Since this is a statistically smart lot, they probably can look at those figures and mentally do the math that both players would technically be on pace for 100 RBIs. Which is, last I checked, somewhat productive.

But, by all means, let's DFA them. I'm sure there's some guy just sitting in a bus station who could easily drive in 100 RBIs on the big-league level.

Posted by John

9:09 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Boy, you can feel this one heading the same direction as last night. Offense completely collapses as the other team pecks away. You can feel it with this team. Those bats are meek, meek, meek. Weak, weak, weak.

Posted by Nat

9:11 PM, Apr 24, 2008

What is it going to take to light a fire under the Mariners?

Posted by Corey Miller

9:14 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Well Nat I guess we will see if Mac can pull a Lou and light the fire under them after being tossed.

Posted by Nay Laren

9:16 PM, Apr 24, 2008


Apparently you do not read but that which you wish to see - try this, my comment to you was about the absolute impropriety of your post occurring immediately after both Raul and Turbo had driven in runs. Also I said that I did not particularly wish to defend Turbo, in fact, I think he is washed up and useless as a DH despite tonight's rbis and the one he had the other night. Certainly I agreed regarding the dismal hitting of the number 5,6,7 hitters in the order. At the moment, however, McLaren, whom I think is an incompetent manager, has very few choices, although he could use Norton at DH in lieu of Turbo. For the most part, I agree with you and if you read my posts closely you will see that I am for bringing up Clement and Balienten to help this offense.

Posted by sjazzdude

9:19 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Ohh Boy . . . I feel this game slipping away. The Ms keep giving up runs for outs. Now a base hit. The game is tied. I've stated this eariler in the blog and I'll say it again. The Ms are a marginal .500 team.

Posted by Nay Laren

9:20 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Nothing like putting a fire in your pitchers, hey Mac.

Posted by Nat

9:20 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Yeah, Corey, we will see, won't we? Well, Washburn just lost the lead. It's never enough. The M's seem to just 'rest' after they produce a few hits, you know? I just don't get it...

No choking, Lowe!

Posted by JJ

9:21 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Can somebody please explain to me how the F$%@ Arthur Rhodes is still on a major league roster??? He has NOTHING left, and even when he did, he choked under every pressure situation he was in. Apparently nobody remembers how he single handedly blew the 2000 ALCS against the Yanks, and pitched even worse in the 2001 ALCS. The guy's a bum...always has been

Posted by NB

9:22 PM, Apr 24, 2008

So if I understand Blowers correctly Mac was justified getting tossed because Rhodes is a veteran. So if the same pitches are thrown in the same spot by Rowland-Smith than Ryan just needs to wear it in the face because he's an untried youngster?

This is example A why playing baseball professionally does not qualify you to talk about it on TV.

It is also exactly how the Mariner front office operates.

Posted by BavasiRocks

9:22 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Balls and strikes are terribly inconsistent tonight. The home plate ump is a rookie out of the Minor Leagues. McLaren just gave him his first tongue-lashing. And well-deserved it was.

Posted by Nat

9:32 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Let's just shut Adam down here...I can't watch this.

I know they're gonna bring in Sean Green here...not good...I might have to go on sabbatical for awhile, it's so hard to watch...aghhh!

Posted by scottM

9:33 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Time to see what this team is made of offensively. Can they muster up enough pride to generate some runs? Resurrecting a win here would do wonders.

Posted by Miles

9:34 PM, Apr 24, 2008


The same arguments you are making about players being on pace for good years in RBI's were made about Sexson last year. He never maintained that pace because teams stopped being worried about him and just went after him.

Normally I would favor waiting another month to see what happens with Sexson and Vidro, but with four positions producing so poorly (1B, C, RF, and DH) I don't know if the M's can wait. Since we don't have a proven player in RF, I say we give Balentien a shot now and not later. Maybe we can wait out the other three another month, but this team needs to be shaken up.

Posted by Nay Laren

9:35 PM, Apr 24, 2008

The spectre of GS looms - the Ms need to get those runs back now.

Posted by Nat

9:38 PM, Apr 24, 2008

It sounds like a VERY small crowd, and needless to say, some of them have probably left. Yes, scott, where is their pride? The real question is - who wants to win this game the most?!

Posted by scottM

9:39 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Ichiro wants to win the friggin' game. (And there's a potential team leader, if he chooses to step up!!!)

Posted by diehardfan

9:43 PM, Apr 24, 2008

I @#@#!# hate Dave Sims!!!!! The guy almost seems to cheer for opposing team no matter who it is!!!! He has this certain glee to his voice everytime the other team scores a run or gets a hit!! Whatever happend to Rick Riz calling the radio portion of the game while Niehaus dose the Tv portion??? @#@#!! Bull!@!@ Where did we pick up this guy up? Didn't he call NBA games before this? What does he know about baseball anyways???!! The must suck lemons out of Lincolns !@#@!# or something!!!

Posted by Faceplant

9:45 PM, Apr 24, 2008

"However, I hired a team of researchers, and they came up with these shocking statistics: Both Sexson and Vidro have 15 RBI in the 23rd game of the season."

And that crack team of researchers would also know that RBI totals are completely worthless when it comes to evaluating hitting talent, since they are depended on factors that are not under a hitters control.

Posted by Nat

9:49 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Ichiro is the man! It's hard to watch Beltre hacking away though. Does rational thought go out the door periodically or what?

I think instead of playing hackysack or whatever before each game they should practice taking pitches again!

Why would they leave Sean Green in, and who are all those people cheering for Brian Roberts' HR?

Posted by calim

9:51 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Geoff, I think it's time to admit when you're wrong. Adam Jones would be an enormous upgrade over Wilkerson, and I'm not just saying that because of his good night tonight. Better defense, better arm, better speed, better bat and tremendously better upside. Zilch my foot.

Posted by couger

9:52 PM, Apr 24, 2008



Posted by Faceplant

9:54 PM, Apr 24, 2008

It's all about roles. Don't you guys get it. Green is the setup man. That's his role, and therefore nobody else can pitch in the eighth. Neverminde the RRS is the superior pitcher, and that Green can't pitch to lefties. His role is the setup man, and thats the way it is.

I'm grabbing my vomit bucket again.

Posted by Faceplant

9:56 PM, Apr 24, 2008



Wow. Step away from the bong there sparky!

Posted by Faceplant

10:00 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Dave Sims: "If Kenji can keep this going Willie Bloomquist will get a shot..."

Is that supposed to be comforting?

Posted by TalkBaseball

10:02 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Hey Geoff, its not that the Orioles have our number, we just aren't a good team. Poor construction by a poor GM managed by a coach too worried about veteran entitlement. Still complaining about how Adam Jones OPS wouldn't help. Still feel Video as an acceptable DH. I think its time for you to admit your mistakes. Being loyal to a terribly ignorant franchise will only make you look bad.

Posted by Nat

10:05 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Miles, I think you might be right - this team does need to be shook up. Since Ichiro is a 'natural leader' and not a vocal leader, and nobody else will take it upon himself.

Outside of gettiing thrown out once every blue moon, Mac doesn't seem to know how to get this team going. A few moves might do the trick nicely. At least it can't be much worse than what it is now. I hate this.

And now we're gonna see George Sherrill...

Posted by Spokanefan

10:09 PM, Apr 24, 2008

We are just too inconsistant. One night our offense can't muster anything but our pitching is on, and the next our offense produces but our pitching gets rocked. We need consistency. After Beltre you might as well turn the channel for a bit because our 5-8 hitters are just painful to watch at the plate.

Posted by zona

10:12 PM, Apr 24, 2008

It's really a shame that Adam Jones was not given a meaningful opportunity to show what he could do last year. When given a chance to play on a regular basis, he is really coming along nicely. One would think the brass would not repeat the same mistake with Balentien, but that's exactly what they are doing.

Posted by diehardfan

10:13 PM, Apr 24, 2008

I @#@#!# hate Dave Sims!!!!! The guy almost seems to cheer for opposing team no matter who it is!!!! He has this certain glee to his voice everytime the other team scores a run or gets a hit!! Whatever happend to Rick Riz calling the radio portion of the game while Niehaus dose the Tv portion??? @#@#!! Bull!@!@ Where did we pick up this guy up? Didn't he call NBA games before this? What does he know about baseball anyways???!! The must suck lemons out of Lincolns !@#@!# or something!!!

Posted by Corey Miller

10:16 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Hey so is it too late to sign that Jones kid? Is he under contract with Baltimore for long? Oh wait...or even better lets look for some emails between Angelos and Bavasi with the words "damaged", "tainted" and "sucker" in them. Then we can sue Baltimore!!

Oh wait thats being done by another Seattle team.

Posted by zona

10:17 PM, Apr 24, 2008

1908 M's version of the 1927 Yankees "murderer's row": Vidro (.202), Sexson (.195), Johjima (.200) & Bloomquist (.182). Enough is enough!

Posted by Nat

10:19 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Oh man...having the game rest on Lope's shoulders is not a good thing. Gotta get to George here.

Posted by Nat

10:22 PM, Apr 24, 2008

An ugly, ugly loss!!!!

Posted by scottM

10:22 PM, Apr 24, 2008

The Angels take two of three from the RedSox in Boston. The A's manage to keep winning. They don't know what the word "cellar" means. The M's manage to win one out of six against the O's. We're three games out. When will the wake up call happen??? Who will decide to wake up????

Posted by jpit

10:28 PM, Apr 24, 2008

When is the last time the Mariners came from behind in the ninth to win a game? It is a great waste of time to watch this team

Posted by ams

10:30 PM, Apr 24, 2008

Sherril is untouchable. This stupid team had a top closer on their roster last year and insisted on limiting him to a situational lefty role while they searched for a "veteran 8th inning man".

Just another silly blunder by M's management that the shows that the fans of this team really do know more then the people in charge.

Posted by zona

10:36 PM, Apr 24, 2008

scottM - Yes, the A's manage to keep on winning for one simple reason...they have a skilled GM that knows how to evaluate talent.

Posted by Spokanefan

10:43 PM, Apr 24, 2008

This team needs a spark. Wherever it may come from, it needs something. We can't sit around and wait for this current lineup to heat up. We'll be waiting quite sometime. The bottom of our order with the exception of Yuni is pathetic. Our DH spot is just being thrown away. We are only 3 games back but the schedule is just going to get tougher and if we don't do something to turn it around this season could be out of grasp very quick. C'mon Bill, step up, be a useful GM and do somethin!!

Posted by marinermike

10:46 PM, Apr 24, 2008

It would be nice to see Ichiro take another pitch or two for the team to try to get the runner in scoring position. Just a pathetic piece of hitting in my opinion.

Posted by Faceplant

11:51 PM, Apr 24, 2008

"It would be nice to see Ichiro take another pitch or two for the team to try to get the runner in scoring position. "

Considering that Yuni Betancourt is one of the worst basestealers on the planet and should have his foot nailed to the bag, I don't have a problem with Ichiro's approach at all.

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