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January 30, 2008 1:45 PM

Bedard/Jones Update

Posted by Geoff Baker

I wish I could say to you with certainty that the Erik Bedard/Adam Jones-plus trade will be finalized tonight, but I can't just yet. Sorry, that will have to do. I'm not going to piggyback on the MLB.com rumors. Here's what I do know for now:

1. Those crazy rumors out of Baltimore yesterday that Adam Jones has a degenerative hip condition? Toss them out the window. Not a touch of truth to it. Both sides are laughing that one off emphatically. Yes, Jones was being brought in for a physical. But it wasn't for a serious type of injury or anything that would be a deal-breaker. So, there's nothing on that front that would impede a trade.


2. I haven't been able to get a hold of George Sherrill so far today. (UPDATE: 2:05 p.m.) Cancel that. Within minutes of posting this entry, Sherrill called me back. He left Utah last night to begin his drive to Peoria for spring training. He's stopped over at a relative's house in Mesquite, Nevada -- about a five-hour drive from the training complex. (At least he should be able to find plenty of briquettes for a BBQ in today's location). Sherrill says he left last night instead of today because a huge snowstorm is headed for Utah. He says he hasn't heard anything more on the trade being done. His plan now is to arrive in Arizona tomorrow and then catch a plane to Baltimore if he has to. He figures this was the best move, in any event, since the snowstorm in Utah might have prevented him from flying any place else. So, there you have it. Sherrill is staying put for now.

3. What held this deal up? I heard on Sunday night, within moments of his being told, that Orioles owner Peter Angelos was furious to learn that news of the impending deal had broken. He was about to head into the hospital for a minor procedure the next day and could not believe Adam Jones had spilled the beans. Would it be beyond Angelos to hold things up another 48, or 72 hours before giving his go-ahead and making everyone sweat a little? Nope.

4. Do I give credence do the "other teams" jumping into the fray theory? No, I do not. The Orioles had a deal with the Mariners they were quite happy with -- happy enough that the Mariners pulled Jones off the field and told him to head to Baltimore for a physical so he could be the deal's main component. Any further discussion was going to be over minor details of the back-end guys being included in the package. Baltimore won't get a better deal than this one now. Not after yesterday's Johan Santana trade. One top prospect is the most they can hope for and they have a good one heading over in Jones. And it doesn't matter that, as some of you point out, Jones is not technically a "prospect" but a starting right fielder. In the eyes of those doing the dealing and making comparisons around the game, he'll be viewed as a top prospect against the top prospects of other clubs. Got it? So, unless the Reds suddenly have a change of heart and throw in Jay Bruce, very unlikely at this stage, Seattle is the O's best bet. Not some ficticious other clubs.

That's it for right now. A reminder to all: RSVP spots are still filling up for next week's big blog event on Feb. 7 (thank Maui Mariner for pointing out the typo) at 6:30 p.m. in our newspaper's auditorium. Also, be sure to copy your comment submissions before you try posting. That was, if our computer system loses your text, you won't blow a gasket like I nearly did the other night when 90 minutes worth of work went up in smoke.

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Posted by Big Wil

2:20 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Let's make a deal! I can't celebrate until I see that dominant south-paw in an M's uniform, but I'm starting to get FIRED UP! Good deal for both teams, let's all just sign the paperwork. I hope we use Wlad as a platoon with Wilkerson in right field. Then he gets to develop and hopefully punish some lefties. Can't wait for opening day! And all you prospect huggers who wanted the deal to die: I forgive you and you're all invited to my playoff party (no fake red sux fans or people who boo their home team allowed). GO MARINERS!!!

Posted by scrapiron

2:24 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Yeah, the regulars know the cut-and-paste trick to post here, but I wish they'd get it fixed or go to some other blogging software. Very annoying.

Anyway, with Angelos playing the power game it's really a shame they didn't let Jones finish the VZL season. Lara was counting on him in the playoffs and now they've angered the VZL league and I'm sure they'll think twice about allowing M's players to play there. I'm sure they don't like be used as pawns by being told that their league isn't important and MLB players might be taken off the field at a moments notice for any rumors that might circulate. Not once, but twice!

Posted by Drooby

2:26 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Thanks for keeping us updated Geoff. I'm a Washingtonian living in Baltimore, so I get the best of both of these deals. I'm happy the M's are getting the number 1 starter we've all been waiting for since Randy Johnson left, and I'm also happy to be able to see Adam Jones in person everyday here in Baltimore. Go M's!!!!!

Posted by scrapiron

2:27 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Big Wil - I like you idea on the Wlad platoon, but I think Balentien needs more regular at bats first. Maybe let Wlad play half a season at Tacoma, then have him play regular in right field, with Wilkerson platooning with whoever is cooler at the plate at the time, Sexson or Balentien.

Posted by The Besmircher

2:27 PM, Jan 30, 2008

The Besmircher thinks that GEOFF is being berry berry careful right now not to give us the wrong poop on the latest scoop.

The Besmircher thinks that it doesn't matter if Adam Jones is a top ten prospect or not. When you're prospectin' you don't always get gold.

The Besmircher thinks that, if we bag Bedard, a year of Barry Bonds bat beats the other bums being bantied about.

The Besmircher thinks that that Resin isn't cheatin', but he's getting too much sap on him from sittin' under the tree in Adam's garden.

Frankie, "is that you?!!!?"
The Besmircher loves Frankie, but thought maybe he had moved to Kansas City once they signed Guillen.

The Besmircher believes in angels, just not Angel-O's.

The Besmircher thinks that some resin might help keep GEOFF's gasket from smokin."

The Besmircher believes in karma, and the gasket GEOFF blew was because of upsetting Mr. Angel-O.

Posted by Kyle

2:27 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Thanks for the update...I've been dying for something all day!

This thing needs to get done, so I can relax for a while.

Posted by Frankie

2:30 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Big Wil--

Loving the comment lol....I'll set up my own playoff party here in NY

Posted by Maui Mariner

2:31 PM, Jan 30, 2008

scrappy, I certainly hope McC will be that forward thinking this year, you guys have great thoughts.
Geoff, the date quoted in your latest verbage is wrong but the date at the top is correct, the blogfest is Feb 7th at 6:30 pm, right?

Go M's, sign this guy and we'll see how the cards fall.

Posted by Frankie

2:32 PM, Jan 30, 2008

And by the way...

Yes Besmircher, it is me haha. I miss Jose Guillen, but Bedard will help ease my pain :)

Posted by Pete

2:35 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Geoff -

Don't even type your stuff into an internet field. Type it up in Notepad, or Word, and then copy/paste it in when you're done.

It's a mistake I've made dozens of times, and I refuse to make it again. I hate pouring my heart into something only to have it disappear in an instant. It's one of the most disheartening things I can imagine...

Posted by Maui Mariner

2:38 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Yeah, and refresh your screen just before posting.......................Frankie, good to see you posting again. I had hoped you came back in from that ledge by the approved method, not the fatal one.

Posted by scrapiron

2:40 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Fictional story: Why didn't it just get reported this way?
Had some fun modifying the Johan Santana story to make it the Bedard story. Why didn't the story just come out for Bedard the same way?

Seattle Mariners, Baltimore Orioles Reach Tentative Deal for Erik Bedard
Jan 27, 9:14 PM (ET)

SEATTLE (AP) -Erik Bedard is a contract extension and physical from joining the Seattle Mariners.

Beating out the Cincinnati Reds and Anaheim Angels, the Mariners reached a tentative agreement Sunday to acquire the Cy Young Award candidate, two people familiar with the deal said, speaking on condition of anonymity because no announcement had been made.

Baltimore would receive speedy outfielder Adam Jones, and pitchers George Sherril, Chris Tillman and Kam Mikolio.

All players are pending physicals and Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos needs to sign off on the deal for the transaction to become official.

Posted by Maui Mariner

2:45 PM, Jan 30, 2008

So Geoff, are you saying that George Sherril reads your blog just like us?
Get back................

scrapiron, that just makes too much sense so that is why it didn't happen like that.

Posted by Maui Mariner

2:48 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Also, if your comment fails, do the back button and your text will still display along with you name etc with a new captcha. After you enter the new captcha it works the second time.

Posted by twobits82

2:54 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Can someone tell me why we would want to platoon Brad Wilkerson with Wlad when Wilkerson can't hit righties? (Not meant to be combative... Just starting a discussion)

Posted by jkherz

2:54 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Angelos and the Baltimore front office are a joke. If they can't handle that a little bit of info leaked on what appeared to be an imminent deal, what are they doing in this business anyway?

Wait a minute... that's right, they've had 10 consecutive losing seasons with no hope in sight of ending that streak. They are approaching some serious futility records here - the M's first 15 years without a winning season ring a bell?

It's well documented that Angelos' heavy-handed management of his team has cost them league-wide respect and if this deal doesn't go down, who in their right mind would want to try to strike a deal with this team now or at the trading deadline if they can't count on the Orioles to follow through?

I say the M's should put a deadline (maybe they already have) on this deal, like tomorrow night or something. This stuff about "other teams" is just smoke-screen to try and get the M's to raise their offer, which would be completely nuts after seeing what the Mets gave up to get Santana. If the O's don't take what is obviously a superior offer, the M's should do the right thing and take the offer off of the table. I would rather have a lefty #1 starter in our rotation, but this is simply bad business to keep things afloat for much longer.

PS: Why no talk of Shawn Green in RF? He's a lefty-hitting outfielder who has been much more consistent than Wilkerson over the years. Or what about Shannon Stewart or (I can't believe I'm actually suggesting this) Kenny Lofton? They obviously lack the power #'s, but again they have high on-base %'s, can steal some bases, and score a lot of runs.

Posted by Big Wil

3:00 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Scrapiron - You're right, I Wlad should start in AAA to get his mojo flowin before we call him up to platoon in right. I hope we have Raul taking ground balls at 1B this spring, just in case. Yes, Wilkerson is an able first baseman, but if Wlad makes a compelling case to keep him in right full time and Wilkerson is golfing balls into the Hit It Here Cafe, Raul is my DH and backup 1st basemen. I say backup because Richie is gonna get back to 38 dingers and 112 RBIs, not to mention the sexiest .265 average we've ever seen. He's actually taking BP this winter, something he hasn't done in years. If Lopez keeps playing the way he has in Venezuela and gets back to punching the ball the other way, then I guess my top project will be forcing Kenji to take the first pitch (after which he's a .400 hitter). WHO'S READY FOR MARINERS BASEBALL?

Posted by jimmymac

3:02 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Geoff,

Could you post the Baseball America rankings of all the prospects being mentioned in this trade. I think they rate by individual farm systems and league wide. It might give everyone a better feel for what the Mariners are offering.

Posted by tones

3:04 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Why not have Mike Morse play right?

Posted by Frankie

3:08 PM, Jan 30, 2008

According to MLB.com, the Orioles are trying a last-ditch effort to sign Bedard to an extension.

If this happens I might be back on the ledge for the next couple of months....

Posted by scrapiron

3:10 PM, Jan 30, 2008

twobits82 - your right. I forgot about Wilkerson's weird splits where he can't hit right-handers. Makes a platoon situation out of the question. Maybe they'll trade Vidro, Ibanez or Sexson at the trade deadline to make room for Wilkerson full time somewhere. Otherwise he'll go to the Ben Broussard super-sub role. I sure hope Balentien isn't blocked at the major league level like Jones was last year.

Posted by nyc_mariners

3:14 PM, Jan 30, 2008

great news! ive been sitting at work checking this blog...

it will be very interesting to see all the other moves that M's have in store (either those rumored or not).

it will be a good season!

Posted by scrapiron

3:16 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Don't have the Baseball America prospect rankings, but Baseball HQ ranks Tony Butler the #3 M's prospect, Chris Tillman #4 and Kam Mikolio #9. None rank in the overall Top-100 prospect list.


3. Tony Butler LHP..20..2006 (3) high school (WI)

Team (LG) W-L ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBA
============== === ==== ==== === ==== =====
Wisconsin (MWL) 4-7 4.75 85.1 1.6 7.7 247
Strengths: 88-92 MPH four-seam fastball and 76-80 MPH curveball. Arm action. Tall/projectable frame
Weaknesses: Consistency of 79-81 MPH circle-change. Command. Aggressiveness
Comments: Tall/projectable pitcher experienced a tired arm and sore back which limited effectiveness. Arm action gives rise to excellent pitch movement and repeats delivery well. Command has been inconsistent and needs to change speeds better, but should improve both if he is healthy.
MLB Debut: 2010
Potential Rating: 8C

4. Chris Tillman RHP..20..2006 (2) high school (CA)

Team (LG) W-L ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBA
============== === ==== ==== === ==== =====
Wisconsin (MWL) 1-4 3.55 33.0 2.6 9.3 238
High Desert (CAL) 6-7 5.26 102.2 2.2 9.2 266
Strengths: 87-91 MPH two-seam fastball, 74-78 MPH curveball, and 79-81 MPH split-change. Command. Arm action from overhand slot. Athletic/projectable frame
Weaknesses: Velocity. Stamina
Comments: Projectable pitcher with athletic frame and clean arm action which should improve velocity with maturation. Mixes three pitches with outstanding command and repeats overhand delivery, giving him deception. Pitched better over last two months, even in a hitter-friendly environment.
MLB Debut: 2010
Potential Rating: 8C


9. Kam Mickolio RHP..22..2006 (18) Utah Valley State

Team (LG) SV ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBA
============== === ==== ==== === ==== =====
West Tennessee (SL) 2 1.82 29.2 2.3 8.2 224
Tacoma (PCL) 1 3.75 24.0 2.8 10.5 213
MLE 3 3.31 53.2 2.0 8.0 242
Strengths: 88-95 MPH two and four-seam fastballs, 85-87 MPH cut-fastball, and 82-83 MPH slider. Command. Keeping ball low. Tall/athletic frame
Weaknesses: Deception of change-up
Comments: Tall/projectable pitcher who is intimidating on mound with a good downward plane and above average velocity. Pounds strike zone with fastball, cutter, and slider, and threw more quality strikes in 2007. Keeps ball low and notches strikeout, but needs to improve change-up to combat LH batters.
2008 MLB Role: Short reliever
Potential Rating: 8B

Posted by scrapiron

3:18 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Don't have the Baseball America prospect rankings, but Baseball HQ ranks Tony Butler the #3 M's prospect, Chris Tillman #4 and Kam Mikolio #9. None rank in the overall Top-100 prospect list.


3. Tony Butler LHP..20..2006 (3) high school (WI)

Team (LG) W-L ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBA
============== === ==== ==== === ==== =====
Wisconsin (MWL) 4-7 4.75 85.1 1.6 7.7 247
Strengths: 88-92 MPH four-seam fastball and 76-80 MPH curveball. Arm action. Tall/projectable frame
Weaknesses: Consistency of 79-81 MPH circle-change. Command. Aggressiveness
Comments: Tall/projectable pitcher experienced a tired arm and sore back which limited effectiveness. Arm action gives rise to excellent pitch movement and repeats delivery well. Command has been inconsistent and needs to change speeds better, but should improve both if he is healthy.
MLB Debut: 2010
Potential Rating: 8C

4. Chris Tillman RHP..20..2006 (2) high school (CA)

Team (LG) W-L ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBA
============== === ==== ==== === ==== =====
Wisconsin (MWL) 1-4 3.55 33.0 2.6 9.3 238
High Desert (CAL) 6-7 5.26 102.2 2.2 9.2 266
Strengths: 87-91 MPH two-seam fastball, 74-78 MPH curveball, and 79-81 MPH split-change. Command. Arm action from overhand slot. Athletic/projectable frame
Weaknesses: Velocity. Stamina
Comments: Projectable pitcher with athletic frame and clean arm action which should improve velocity with maturation. Mixes three pitches with outstanding command and repeats overhand delivery, giving him deception. Pitched better over last two months, even in a hitter-friendly environment.
MLB Debut: 2010
Potential Rating: 8C


9. Kam Mickolio RHP..22..2006 (18) Utah Valley State

Team (LG) SV ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBA
============== === ==== ==== === ==== =====
West Tennessee (SL) 2 1.82 29.2 2.3 8.2 224
Tacoma (PCL) 1 3.75 24.0 2.8 10.5 213
MLE 3 3.31 53.2 2.0 8.0 242
Strengths: 88-95 MPH two and four-seam fastballs, 85-87 MPH cut-fastball, and 82-83 MPH slider. Command. Keeping ball low. Tall/athletic frame
Weaknesses: Deception of change-up
Comments: Tall/projectable pitcher who is intimidating on mound with a good downward plane and above average velocity. Pounds strike zone with fastball, cutter, and slider, and threw more quality strikes in 2007. Keeps ball low and notches strikeout, but needs to improve change-up to combat LH batters.
2008 MLB Role: Short reliever
Potential Rating: 8B

Posted by Frankie

3:20 PM, Jan 30, 2008

I have been very optimistic about this trade for the last 3 days, but now I see what the O's FO is doing, and it will end up in disaster for us.

It's hard not to believe that the O's will somehow sign Bedard to an extension, putting an end to the trade talks. This is the only thing that is holding up the trade, and with the Mariners' luck, Bedard will be signed by the end of the night.

Someone prove me wrong because all I see is Bedard in an O's uniform this spring!!!

Posted by jkherz

3:20 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Bedard would have to be out of his mind to sign an extension with a team that will finish in last place in the AL East for at least the next 2-3 years. They have NO CHANCE to even compete with Tampa Bay, let alone Boston or NY.

If they won't trade him, then he should just wait to be a free agent and get out of Baltimore fast so he can be on a competitive team that actually has a chance to make the playoffs.

Posted by Frankie

3:23 PM, Jan 30, 2008

There are a couple of choice words to describe the O's Front Office right now....

Posted by Maui Mariner

3:24 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Frankie, Frankie, come in off the ledge again............Bedard had previously stated that he did not want to be on a rebuilding team and the O's are a rebuilding team for sure.

So come in and open up a beer and enjoy the ride.

Posted by Donovan

3:30 PM, Jan 30, 2008

I have difficulty believing Bedard would re-sign in B'almer for anything other than crazy money. Then again, Angelos has lots of money, and he is crazy....


Can anybody come up with a legitimate reason for Angelos or any other owner to be so upset about trade rumors leaking before a deal is finalized? With thousands of words written about the potential deal, just what is he worried about exactly - spoiling a surprise press conference he wanted to preside over?


A friend of mine (a statistician in fact) once worked for a small consulting firm, whose owner was convinced that the cleaning staff in their building were spying on him, going through his computer files, bugging his phone etc. He grew up in the Soviet Union though, where things like that sometimes happened, though. Why is Angelos such a paranoid freak?

Posted by Chip1010

3:31 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Wilkerson's split is indeed opposite of what you would expect, but it's not a huge difference. Career OPS of .800 against righties, .812 against lefties.

Wilkerson doesn't need a platoon partner, though I'd love to see Wlad play some this year.

Posted by Chip1010

3:32 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Oops. OPS against lefties is .819, not .812. My point stands, though.

Posted by Luke

3:50 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Hey Geoff, what do you think of the rumor that the orioles are now trying to sign erik bedard to a contract extension? do you think there is any truth to it?

Posted by goms

3:51 PM, Jan 30, 2008

this trade need to get done and start the dethroning of the rally monkeys!!!wlad needs to get a chance at that rightfield job out of spring training he is better than jones at baserunning and plate disapline
and has just as much power as jones let the kid have a chance.the only reason im ok with jones leaving is
wlad.so put wlad in right sign wilkerson to play left,move ibanez to dh,because he is a horrible fielder and cant run anything down,the ms cant have their dh hitting 6 home runs and haveing 59 rbi.

Posted by John

3:55 PM, Jan 30, 2008

I would love this trade. That we would get to keep Morrow, Clement and Balentien, would be great. It would give us a true No. 1, take pressure off of Felix, and we would still get to see Morrow develop. Clement is, I think, a better fit at first base eventually, I love his bat, and I would love to see him get a shot after Sexson leaves.
If I thought Jones was the next Ken Griffey Jr. I might be upset. But my personal opinion is he's more of a Mike Cameron. Good player, great defender, but nothing to "build" an organization around. I think he'll be a .270-.280 hitter, especially early in his career. Given that he would be a right-handed bat in Safeco, I can't see huge power numbers either, plus he still strikes out a lot - much like Cameron.
I know this will anger the pro-Jones crowd, but that's OK. I can't see a guy with a swing that long, who already strikes out that much at the AAA level being a .310 hitter in the pros, but maybe I'm wrong. It's a chance I'd be willing to take as a GM.
And if this trade doesn't happen, Jones will have a chance to prove me wrong. If he does, I'll be on this blog admitting it. Of course, he could hit .350 with 60 homers, but if he does it on a crappy team that can't make the playoffs because it has no pitching (i.e. Bonds), I'm not sure what there would be to crow about for the pro-Jones guys.

Posted by Tom

4:24 PM, Jan 30, 2008

"UPDATE, 1-30-08 at 5:19pm: MLB.com's Jim Street says a last-ditch attempt by the Orioles to sign Bedard to a five-year contract is holding up the trade. Street says Bedard's agent told Andy MacPhail it would take seven years and $100MM, however. Street touches on the Jones degenerative hip thing, indicating that the Orioles heard this but it turned out to be unsubstantiated."

That comes out to 14.2 mil a year to extend Bedard. It appears the O's might actually extend this guy. Crap! I mean I can't blame them, compared to what Santana is goign to get 20 mil a year plus, locking Bedard up for 14.2 mil with inflation for seven years ain't a bad deal. Get an insurance policy on the guy, and sign him before the O's extend him. Aces don't grow on trees.

Posted by Mike

4:28 PM, Jan 30, 2008

One more try with numbers but I know this trade is pretty much inevitable. And if made I will lead the Bedard cheers hoping to get into the playoffs. I just think there are smarter ways, unless we can convince the O's to swap out Jones for Morrow.

If, say, we traded prospects for a lesser pitcher, one whose ERA was, say in the 4.5 range. That's 90 runs in 180 innings. That's 25 runs worse than Bedard sporting a 3.25 ERA over those same innings.

Those crazy (maligned by some, embraced by others) defensive metrics say that Raul Ibanez has less range than anyone not playing left field for Boston. He's a -20 run defender. Move him to DH or first. He'd likely be no better than Sexson there but Sexson also a bad defender. Put Jones in left. He has CF skills and will likely be a defender that saves 10 runs over the average. That's a 30 run swing. Think defensive metrics are overstated? Halve that 30 and make it 15, creating a 10 run advantage for the Bedard deal. 10 runs is about 1 win.

I would suggest that there are smarter ways to get those 10 runs than giving up someone who if still were considered a prospect would be in the top 10 in baseball. I've seen no one say he's the next Ken Griffey Jr, but he will be good.

Again, I love Bedard and I'd give up just about anyone for him save Felix, Ichiro or Adam Jones.

Posted by Adam

4:32 PM, Jan 30, 2008

It's crazy to give any pitcher 7 years, let alone Bedard. If he gets that offer from the O's, he should take it.

And the M's can just move on their way.

I've seen some mention of Bonds lately, and frankly, if he's not in any legal trouble this year, I'd love to have him as our full-time DH. The man had an OPS of 1.045 last year, while playing LF. Take him out of the field, and I see no reason why he couldn't replicate that. He'd do just fine behind Beltre in the Mariner lineup.

Posted by John

4:46 PM, Jan 30, 2008

I hope that extension doesn't happen. I frankly can't see why anyone would want to play in Baltimore. If people think our FO is bad, take a look at theirs, not to mention having a crazy owner. Then you have to somehow get past New York AND Boston. You'd have to pay me ARod money to play in Baltimore. One of my best friends is a diehard O's fan, and he's basically just given up. He doesn't even enjoy the game that much any more because he knows it's basically a lost cause.
I can't imagine rooting for a team in that position. It would be pure frustration - worse even than rooting for a team that hasn't been to a World Series in its muddled history.

Posted by phoojoe76

4:48 PM, Jan 30, 2008

If this deal falls through, is Bavasi still going to be determined to get another top of the rotation pitcher? Are there any other names being tossed about?

I'll be happy either way, but I'd prefer keeping Jones and others.

Posted by Scout

4:55 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Right you are goms, mike and scrapiron. Ibanez to DH. He wants to be the next Edgar and we'd all love to give him that opportunity. M's are going to make noise, I just feel it!

Posted by John

5:03 PM, Jan 30, 2008

I'd love to see Ibanez at DH and either Morse or Balentien in the outfield. But I just can't see McClaren being that smart or that willing to give either of the younger guys a chance. Personally, I've always like Morse's bat, how hard he plays, everything. I wish he'd get an opportunity. I think he'd be a real solid No. 7 hitter. To have a DH with 6 homers is just appalling to me. The 2001 M's proved you don't need a bunch of big sticks to be successful, but a DH with that little pop is ridiculous.

Posted by Faceplant

5:26 PM, Jan 30, 2008

"The 2001 M's proved you don't need a bunch of big sticks to be successful, but a DH with that little pop is ridiculous."


Well, to be fair the 2001 Mariners weren't exactly a bunch of slap hitters. They were 4th in the league in SLG.

Posted by jkherz

5:41 PM, Jan 30, 2008

If for some reason this trade does not go down, I agree with those who would like to see Ibanez as our DH. If we can't get a better pitcher, then we can improve our current pitching staff by improving the defense. Keeping Jones to play LF and signing Shawn Green for RF (or guys like Shannon Stewart, Wilkerson, etc) would allow us to improve our defense and give us a deeper bench (Vidro).

Jones is a good young talent, but any expectations of him putting up Jose Guillen #'s at the plate are rediculous - especially against RH pitching. With this in mind, against LH starting pitchers it clearly makes sense to use Ibanez as the DH and Jones could play left with Vidro on the bench to pinch-hit. Maybe Wlad is hot enough to bring up to face LH'ers or maybe we sign the Free Agent who hits RH'ers the best to play RF. This line-up would maximize our defense in the majority of the games (we face RH'ers a lot more often than LH'ers) and still put a good line-up at the plate. I'm sorry, but I just don't see Vidro's #'s improving this year - he's a year older and some decline is inevitable.

Against RH starting pichers, we could switch it up and go with Ibanez in LF, _____ (free agent) in RF, and DH Vidro. I like Jones, but I don't see him hitting RH'ers very well, at least this season. He would still get 450-500 AB's with this set-up, Ibanez would still play in the field every now and then, and these kind of moves would also hopefully motivate the veterans (Sexson, Vidro, and whoever we sign) because playing time no longer becomes gauranteed - so whoever is hitting well will find themselves in the line-up more consistently! Also, who knows - maybe Jeremy Reed will finally be able to hit major league pitching and he could play RF some of the time against RH'ers.

This another reason why I am glad Hargrove in gone as we need to use our bench players more often to keep the whole roster "hot" instead of using the same 9 and watching talent like Ben Brousard waste away every year and not be able to produce when they actually get in the line-up because they are too rusty from sitting on the bench too often.

What do you guys think?

Posted by jeff d

5:43 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Either make the deal by February 1 or rescind the offer of Jones et al. Time to start to set the roster for spring training.

Posted by Faceplant

5:44 PM, Jan 30, 2008

"Wilkerson's split is indeed opposite of what you would expect, but it's not a huge difference. Career OPS of .800 against righties, .812 against lefties.

Wilkerson doesn't need a platoon partner, though I'd love to see Wlad play some this year."


Wilkerson needs to be on a bench somewhere. His 3 year average is pretty bad for a corner outfielder. A .757 OPS, strikes out a ton, and doesn't make up for it with power. Unless you play spectacular defense at the corner, you can't get away with hitting that poorly. Not to mention the last two years he put up those terrible lines playing in a hitters paradise.


I'm not as high on Wlad as some, but I'd be willing to bet he could put up similar production for a franction of the cost. And that's despite the fact that Wlad is a righty stick.

Posted by Faceplant

5:47 PM, Jan 30, 2008

"Jones is a good young talent, but any expectations of him putting up Jose Guillen #'s at the plate are rediculous - especially against RH pitching."


But the thing is, he doesn't need to put up Guillens numbers at the plate, as Jones is lightyears better defensively.

Posted by Prospect Expert

5:58 PM, Jan 30, 2008

The 'one top prospect', from Baltimore's perspective, should be Carlos Triunfel.

As an O's fan, I'd accept Triunfel, Sherrill, and Chris Tillman for Bedard.

That's fair and equitable value for one of the best pitchers in the game today.

Never been impressed with Adam Jones. Sherrill would/will be an absolute flop for the Birds just as DeJean, Kline, and Hawkins were.

It's a sad day for baseball when the Twins get taken to the cleaners for Santana and the O's get robbed for Bedard.

Posted by Faceplant

6:25 PM, Jan 30, 2008

"Sherrill would/will be an absolute flop for the Birds just as DeJean, Kline, and Hawkins were."


Man, when people said Sherrill got no love from the rest of the country they were right.


You obviously haven't seen much of George Sherrill.

Posted by tomnit

6:55 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Congrats to the M's--they will effectively fleece the Orioles with some prospects and an average pitcher. This deal is great if your an M's fan. If you are an Oriole fan like me it stinks.

Posted by Tyler

7:05 PM, Jan 30, 2008

Is there any word about Carlos Truinfel being included in this trade?

A reputable baseball website was throwing his name around today in the trade rumors and I assume that they don't have a good basis to include him because I haven't seen his names in the Times.

Posted by goms

10:07 PM, Jan 31, 2008

no way will the ms trade truinfel putting up numbers like he outta collage well see him tearin up the mojors in a couple of years!!!

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