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July 27, 2008 9:54 AM

Bradley-Gaddy package deal unlikely?

Posted by Bob Condotta

That seemed to be the theme of the stories coming out of the Las Vegas tournaments this week.

Several articles stated that Bellermine Prep stars Abdul Gaddy and Avery Bradley now view it unlikely they will play together in college.

Here's a good look at their situation from The Sporting News as well as this take on Gaddy from the Memphis Commercial Appeal.

Splitting the two up would seem to increase the odds that UW might be able to land one of them because as we've detailed, the Huskies have just two slots left for that class at the moment and seem committed to taking another big man with one of them (or giving one to transfer Chace Stanback, whose future doesn't seem likely to include UW but who has yet to officially decide anything one way or the other).

There's also a note in this subscription-only story on Scout.com that Lorenzo Romar was the lone head coach in Vegas watching both Bradley and Gaddy on Friday. To quote exactly, the author writes in a note at the bottom of the story that "hard to fathom, but Lorenzo Romar was the lone head coach there for Gaddy and Bradley. John Calipari was traveling and arrived later in the game. Other head coaches were down in Orlando.'' The story also states that Gaddy intends to narrow his list of schools to five after this tournament.


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Posted by mattysimone

11:01 AM, Jul 27, 2008

I still think they like texas! maybe gaddy will go the memphis route since the AZ recruiter is there now. Props to romar for being there. Maybe all the other coaches bailed since they mabe had been told dont bother. Does that mean UDUB has a glimmer of hope? wow I sure hope I missed this on this one. Ive always thought uw had no chance at bradley but what a Get that would be!

Posted by robertroll

11:08 AM, Jul 27, 2008

U dub has no chance on any of these kids.. why is Romar even chasing these kids,, these are 5 star guys and we have a 3-4 star program..

Posted by mike

11:38 AM, Jul 27, 2008

local kids...we always have a chance on local kids.

Posted by Big Ern

4:41 PM, Jul 27, 2008

BellArmine Prep - thanks.

Posted by Exeter

5:46 AM, Jul 28, 2008

Bob,

Given that Romar goes with a bigs/guards roster and we have 5 bigs (inc Garcia) and 7 guards (incl Wilcox) for 2009, why is it not possible for UW to take 2 more guards?

Taking 2 more implies somebody goes to the league early. I think 5 bigs and 8 guards/wings is a fairly typical college roster.

Posted by OlyDawg

8:17 AM, Jul 28, 2008

Great to hear Romar is still after these guys and putting out the extra effort to do so.

It''s hard for me to understand why Bradley and/or Gaddy wouldn't want to come to UW. They could start a new flux of local guys (Smith, Wroten Jr.) to come here and become a national powerhouse built almost solely on local talent. These guys already all play together and dominate the AAU circuits. Why not continue that success at the next level?

Posted by Randy

8:57 AM, Jul 28, 2008

robertroll,

I don't understand your comment. Are you advocating that Washington should stay a 3-4 star program so we can shiver with delight when we place higher that 7th in the PAC 10? Romar is doing exactly what he is paid to do. Recruit the best talent he can to propel the UW program into the elite groups. Whether of not he is able to recuit them depends on how they see Washington's program into the future.

Posted by robertroll

10:09 AM, Jul 28, 2008

Randy,

what I am saying is he has nothing to offer a 5 star kid, unless they don't want to leave home. we play zero defense, and has not really been a great teacher of the game.. I watched last year in dismay as applybe throws up shots and can not play defense, even QP struggled on both ends of the court. we have speed and the guards bring the ball up on dribbling up court.. I put that On the coach.. so why would a 5 star kid come to U-Dub at this point when there goal is probably to go to the league?

Posted by Sittingdawg

10:13 AM, Jul 28, 2008

UW definitely has a chance with any local top athlete. Seattle is a great city, UW is a great school, has a very good team in a great conference, and Romar is a great coach. That puts us in the running every time.

Consider:
1) Brockman chose the Dawgs over Duke
2) Hawes chose the Dawgs over UNC MJ and Roy WIlliams
3) Even Martell Webster chose UW over any college in the world before choosing the NBA over college.

The only way we ever don't have a chance with top athletes is if UW somehow fumbles away Lorenzo Romar (see, e.g., the whole 19th century of UW basketball).

Posted by tonedef

10:31 AM, Jul 28, 2008

robertroll- you're right in your analysis, but I think you're putting too much on romar. It's impossible to say, really.

But in the last few years he got highly recruited kids who turned out to be mediocre players. or, for whatever reasons, didn't actually come to UW. that's on him, of course, but no really on his x's and o's coaching. nelson. oliver. pondxter. wallace. wolfinger. all mediocre though looked good on paper. perry didn't come. webster didn't come. hawes stayed a year and (in my view) set the team back by compelling them to play a style none of the others could play and couldn't be sustained once he left.

For example, Pondexter is probably more talented than Jones, but is a much worse player. He, in my view, simply doesn't know what he's doing. You can argue that's on Romar, but Jones became very effective even though he couldn't really dribble under romar's tutelage. As did Roy, Jamaal Williams, Conroy, Simmons, even Jensen. Many of these players (not Roy!) were rather limited- but they and Romar made it work.

He's made bad decisions recruiting flawed players that dominated in HS but simply don't have the savoir faire needed to contribute in the NCAA.

I think last year's freshmen looked like a step in the right direction. Overton is fantastic and will only get better. He knows what he's doing out there. Crazy at times, yes but his instincts are good. MBA seemed like he knows the right play to make. Holiday I didn't get a sense of. He doesn't look like a playmaker, but he may not need to be (neither jones nor simmons were either).

They'll make the NCAAs as a 6-9 seed, win a game, lose in the 2nd round. Neither Gaddy nor bradley will come, but the team will be okay without them. I do mourn siva's rejection. Their success will impel both Smith and Wroten to come. and they'll consistently be in the top 3-4 in PAC-10 now that romar's learned whom to recruit.

But, you're right, the program now is nowehere near the schools recruiting G and B, even for local kids. but it'll be back.

Posted by mattysimone

10:35 AM, Jul 28, 2008

All its gonna take is a couple of these kids to stay home, and take us to another level. im sure if we had made it to the final 8 3 years in a row we would have all these kids already on lock down! Hopefully it starts with one of these two ( doubt it ) and then Smith. Smith could be the program changer. I thought it was gonna be hawes but he was softer than cashmere!! Sounds as if the kids love RO , but all the glitz and glamor is hard to ignore when your 17 and looking over and seeing Texas, NC, Duke, Kansas, Memphis, Indiana, UCLA ,Louisville ect ect ect all drooling for the chance to have you.....cmon Im 30 and it would still put me into a trance !!!

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

11:38 AM, Jul 28, 2008

Exeter- What did you mean by "implies that somebody goes to the league early"? What league? And please, don't say the NBA. Your incoming fellah, Isiah Thomas definitely is your best prospect, but how much does he weigh? 145 pounds? Please, none of your current squad (that includes Brockman) will play in the NBA. Undersized doesn't get you anywhere but Europe, and they are starting to have bigger requirements as well.

Posted by Romarville86

11:43 AM, Jul 28, 2008

Meatball-

Quit talking, anybody who knows basketball or anything about our team knows that MBA is a surefire 1st round pick and if Pondexter improves like everyone thinks he will, he will be a possibly 1st rounder as well. I doubt when bobby jones was a freshman you would not have thought he would be in the league but Romar develops talent. Overton will be an NBA point as well in my opinion.

Posted by Guy

11:52 AM, Jul 28, 2008

Meatball, let me ask, who gives a crap about what a UA basketball fan has to say on a UW basketball blog?

By coming here and ripping our players as having no possibility of making the NBA, you're offending all the fans here, as well as adding NOTHING to the discussion about recruiting. I lost a lot of respect for you with that needless anti-UW rant (which is full of opinions, not facts, don't kid yourself).

Posted by mattysimone

12:05 PM, Jul 28, 2008

145 lol the future frosh or the year in the pac 10 is up to 180lbs and that buck eighty can jump over 7 footers!!! oh by the way lite it up like A.I. too!!! Id agree overton will be in the nba too. Brock somewhere in the world after he cashes his 3 year first round contract. MBA has a chance too! Incoming Turner id bet also...politics does play a roll!

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

3:07 PM, Jul 28, 2008

At least posters like MT Husky and Randy are realistic. I'm not bagging on your team, but the attitude that some of you fans exude is exactly why you need a dose of the meatball knowledge from time to time.

1st Off, Bobby Jones will likley not be on a NBA roster to start the season, and will be relegated back to the D-League:

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/nuggets/archives/2008/07/green_bobby_jon.html

So many of you are so far gone that even I can't help you, but no, Overton, Pondexter, Brockman, Thomas, Turner, MBA (that's the funniest one...how many successful Enlighsmen are in the NBA?...) will all not play in the NBA. Sorry kids, Romar got lucky with Roy...that's all. And I believe that little thug Nate Robinson is in his last guranteed year on his contract, so he'll likely be out of the NBA before you know it.

I am pointing out facts, that all, don't be upset. Hawes will be out of the NBA once his guranteed contract is up, so Roy will be the only thing you guys can cling to. I actually find it funny that Bayless will be teamed with Roy, as Roy's numbers will definitely be down this year and he likely has no shot at repeating as an ALL-Star. This has nothing to do with Roy, more that Bayless will be too busy taking his own shots and Roy will be adversly affected by that. So in a way, even though Bayless was a short lived UofA player, he will negatively affect the only thing of worth that Washington has produced, so I think it's kinda funny and ironic!

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

3:39 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Just so there isn't any confusion, with Bayless on the Trailblazers now, that makes 12 UofA Wildcats currently in the NBA:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9194

Here is Washington:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/search.asp?
KEYWORDS=NBA+Impact+University+of+Washington


So, Roy and Robinson got to the Sweet 16 twice, and one of them is a big success. One of them will be out of the NBA in a year. Many of you view Hawes as a waste of skin, so I won't even deal with him here.

But now, the Huskies haven't played in the NCAA tourney for a few years, yet many of the fickle fans believe there are as many as 5 players on the roster that will be playing in the NBA??? Please explain it to me, I really would love to hear/read a logical argument of why people think this will suddenly happen. NBA doesn't like losers.


BTW...since some of you believe there are 5 future NBA players on your roster, how come you guys won't claim that you will easily win the Pac-10?

Posted by dlep

3:40 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Meatball, cmon. You seriously think Hawes and Robinson will be out of the league after their first contracts are up? That is a ridiculous assertion that will only happen in the event of injury. I sometimes find your posts amusing, but you are losing credibilty w statements like that.

And I am not a husky kool aid drinker, Poindexter will be lucky to be drafted and MBA has a long, long ways to go.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

3:42 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

3:46 PM, Jul 28, 2008

dlep- Robinson will likely get another short term contract if he can keep his temper down. If he gets in another altercation, he'll be earning his pay checks in Euros (which right now wouldn't be all that bad).

As for Hawes, he hasn't shown anything thus far to believe that he will last beyond the 3-4 years of the initial contracts.

Again, I'm only making logicall arguments to show the other more realistic side to some of the Husky faithful. It's fine to be a die hard fan, but realism is a bitter pill that will slap most Husky fandom in the face again come March.

Posted by dlep

3:50 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Okay take for example guys like Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown, both guys that I think you can agree Hawes to be better than. And these are just two examples that come to mind, both have made it to second contracts. My question to you is what has Hawes shown that he won't get another contract?

And D'antoni has expressed excitement at having an athletic guy like Robinson on the team. You made the assertion, what evidence do you have that these guys won't get second contracts?

Posted by dlep

3:53 PM, Jul 28, 2008

And Roy likely has not shot at ever being an All Star again? That is pretty laughable. Makes me think you are making ridiculous statements just to rile people up. Which is fine, but not to be construed w logical statements/arguments.

Posted by Meat wants to meet some attention

4:02 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Everyone should know by now the only reason people like Meathead do what they do is because they crave attention. The best part about Meathead is that he claims to be logical and realistic. Do you
think Meathole has any friends not on the internet?
If so, I wonder if they know that he does this in his freetime.It was funny at first but now I actually wonder if he has some mental issues. One way or the other he sure is lonely.

Posted by MT Husky

4:04 PM, Jul 28, 2008

As has been discussed ad nauseum:

Huskies guard play on both ends of the court has been extremely poor the past two years. Some blame Romar for that, but can any one seriously argue that a single Husky guard would have started for any other top 6 Pac-10 team the past 2 seasons?

The deficiency in the guard play then limited the offensive potential/abilities of the big men (and I would argue QPon also, but let’s see how he looks this coming season playing with IT, Suggs and Turner) as well as added unreasonable pressure on them defensively (including Hawes 2 seasons ago).

However, Huskies in the coming season will have both the guard play and the big men to be a top 5 Pac-10 team…next season AND the season following.

Who is in the NBA now and who will be in the NBA in a few years is a completely irrelevant conversation with no bearing on the coming season.

However, Meatball, you seriously are being obtuse regarding your B-Roy comments…Bayless couldn’t have asked for a better teammate who will only make Bayless’ game that much better.

Posted by Romarville86

4:06 PM, Jul 28, 2008

You should go look at Hawes' stats last year when he got minutes and he was a one and done player. He has all-star potential and will be a 10 year player for sure if not longer. Meatball must have missed Nate Robinson's 45 point game and 12 ppg average. He will be in the league for many years and is a top 5 athlete in the entire nba.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

4:31 PM, Jul 28, 2008

dlep- I didn't say Roy would never be an All-Star again, I said he would not repeat as an All-Star meaning next season. It appears to me that Hawes doesn't have the will or conviction to be a career player. He looks like the typical open palmed highschool star who got themselves to the NBA and got paid. If he cared about winning or legacy, why did he perform as he did for the Huskies? I wouldn't call that a leader. As for Robinson, I very well may be wrong about him...he could be a 10 year veteran like Muggsy, but he better do some growing up and fast cuz if he keeps the attitude that he has, NBA execs outside of New York won't want to have anything to do with him...

MT Husky- I would agree with you if Bayless wasn't so selfish. He plays with blinders, and unfortuantely, Roy's game/numbers will be affected by it. You'll see.

Romarville- Since you are the ridiculous clown who thinks guys like Hawes will be 10 year NBA veterans, why not defend your contention that 5 or 6 of your current Huskies will play in the NBA? Seriously, defend it.

As for me, I have plenty of friends, but yes, none of them likely know that I post on here and rile up a bunch of Husky fans. I would likely get laughed at, but that doesn't bother the meatball. I enjoy pointing out truths to the confused.

Posted by Scott

4:37 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Meat is just another instance of UofA trying to tune up their propaganda machine. UofA fans sense the end of an era, and they are trying to hold on as long as they can. If they can pull the recruits, they may continue to be consistently good. If they start losing some recruits due to the uncertainty, they will drop like a rock.

Posted by dlep

4:42 PM, Jul 28, 2008

'So, Roy and Robinson got to the Sweet 16 twice, and one of them is a big success. One of them will be out of the NBA in a year.'

'I am pointing out facts, that all, don't be upset. Hawes will be out of the NBA once his guranteed contract is up.'

Please provide these facts, evidence. You are already backtracking from the above statement about Robinson. You now 'could be wrong.' And I am still waiting on an actual argument as to why Hawes will be out of the NBA in 3 years. Something other than he doesn't 'appear to have the will or conviction.' Because he only stayed one year? You can say that about a lot of NBA players.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

4:57 PM, Jul 28, 2008

dlep- okay, obviously these are conjectures and not facts, but will likely be facts in just a few short years. Hawes has yet to show that he is a player that is capable of sustaining a long career in the NBA. He hasn't shown leadership on the court in College or in the PROS, and hasn't proven to be the player that NBA execs thought he might be. #10 pick averaging under 5pts a game?? Wow, impressive. When he doesn't improve his numbers this year, he will simply begin to fade away much like many NBA players who are much to young who simply now get referred to as "where are they now." Hawes is a perfect example of the overhyped "superstar." Good enough to make the league (since they tend to draft on potential) but nowhere near good enough or mature enough to make a career in the league. Do you think he even listened to Romar during his stop in Washington? Most of you on here think the program lost a few years as a result of Hawes's play, you think NBA guys won't recongize that?

If that isn't clear enough for you regarding Hawes, sorry fellah, you need help.

As for my Cats, we have 2 Top 85 recruits, and Gaddy likely will resign, so no, I'm not too worried about us. But Washington is one post season miss of being completely irrelavant. I will enjoy though the fact that your AD won't have the stones to fire Romar until you guys completely have faded away....

Posted by Romarville86

5:20 PM, Jul 28, 2008

You'll have to show me where I said the huskies had 5 or 6 future nba players. I dont remember saying that and I can't see it in the comments. I said MBA was our best NBA prospect, Pondexter could be a 1st round pick after his senior year if he continues to improve like we think he will and Overton will be in the league. That makes 3 if I am counting right. Is that good enough for you meaty?

p.s. Insulting people on a comment section you are discussing things with makes you look extremely immature

Posted by mattysimone

6:35 PM, Jul 28, 2008

roy is a class act and bayless is a immature punk that cries all the time. is he talented yes very much , but he better grow up quick! I dont see mac10 takin that kinda little girl cryin act. Hes the kinda guy that think his No.2s dont stink. and id assume his head has only got bigger...Id bet at some point in the season his butt will get laid out by someone either on the court or in a bar.

Posted by tonedef

7:06 PM, Jul 28, 2008

I love Husky basketball, and live far from Seattel around zero Husky fans, so I would really enjoy a civil, intelligent, and reasonable comment board. I check it frequently.I am continually dismayed at how juvenile the exchanges are. I estimate at least 75% of the time the comment thread devolve into stupid back and forths containing either baseless, impossible to prove conjecture or pointless focusing on stats.

Most of it involves around meatball, though his adversaries are also problematic.

Meatball, Why do you do this? Why do you care? 7 posts on this thread alone. Do you like Arizona basketball or hate UW b-ball and have contempt for UW fans? Which of those two better describe you? Meatball you defend yourself by arguing that "i'm just stating facts." Fine. But facts can be as antagonistic as opinions, especially when your opinions are so close to the surface of your facts. You come onto to this blog all the time with the basic messages "you all are stupid for thinking the Huskies are good" and "Arizona is better than UW."

Am I wrong to characterize you like that? No.

Do ALL fans have a tendency to take the rosy view of things regarding their teams. yes. it's funner to think your team is good than it is not. Why do you need to ruin that for all of us? What is your investment in this?

And- is Arizona currently a stronger program than UW's? Absolutely. Does it have a better history? yes- probably about 100 times better. Is it more likely that xy recruit will prefer AZ at this time. Yes.

There you have it meatball! I concede the point you obsessively make. I'm sure the majority of people who post here do also. They'd be crazy not to. You've accomplished your mission! Well done!

Those who argue with him- leave him alone. Don't respond to him. He gets some kind of pleasure out of antagonizing husky fans. I don't know why- but that appears to be the case. Ignore him and he'll either go away or grow up.

And meatball- you're a bully, really. You're taking the side of the obviously stronger program with a better history and picking on a program that's only had sporadic success over the lat 25 years. What a bully! The big, tough, older kid picking on the little guy.

Go away Meatball. go to an arizona board. Though, You can, perhaps, contribute intelligent things to this blog. Perhaps if your comments weren't consistently shot through with contemptuous sentiments it'd be more likely.

Posted by Meat licks Meat

7:08 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Just keep in mind everyone, Meatball = lonely.
His comments are all about eliciting a reaction.
"Hawes has yet to show that he is a player that is capable of sustaining a long career in the NBA"
So has Greg Oden. Should Portland trade him.
Yet to show? LOL! He has one year of college and one year in the NBA under his belt. Two years is a good window to judge a player, if you are a meathead. Keep'em coming Lonely!

Posted by dlep

7:09 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Okay Meat, I now know to dismiss any future arguments you make. I am still waiting for any factual basis upon which to indicate that Hawes will be out of the league in three years.

Thank you for at least backing off your guarantee, I guess that is somewhat an acknowledgement of what a ridiculous statement you made.

I think I will be fine without any help, but thanks for your concern. I had a feeling that eventually, instead of arguing the merits of your statements, you would resort to name calling. You proved me correct.

Posted by patience

7:22 PM, Jul 28, 2008

i've avoided this meathead back and forth for weeks now, because it never changes.

here's two things that you can take to the bank though:

1) meathead will disappear from this board before the pac 10 season is halfway done. this is due to the fact that the huskies are going to exceed expectations and arizona will not.

2) (and dave, please pay close attention) romar has one thing that lute doesn't have - a future.


Posted by TempeTommy

9:27 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Does Abdul know the full extent of Lute's senility?

If so, no way he goes to Tucson.

Posted by jed

9:28 PM, Jul 28, 2008

Meatball,

Lute is a great recruiter for years now but there are some cracks in the boat starting to appear. Aside from the recruiting prowess and vigorous arguing with refs I'm not very impressed. No team in the Pac-10 over the last 5 years has underachieved as consistently as UA considering the talent they have. What happens if the talent starts to dry up? Someone earlier in the blog complained that UW didn't play any defense; I strongly disagree especially when compared to your beloved UA. Bayless kept you afloat last year.

Bayless is a great combo guard but not a true point guard. Portland has all the pieces in place for a dynasty in the NBA for years to come. The final piece they needed was a point guard yet they took Bayless who is probably stronger as a scoring guard. Portland will continue to play Roy at the point often especially with the game on the line. They have made it clear that when the game is at its most crucial juncture they want the ball in Roy's hands. Roy and Bayless will both thrive but Bayless is fortunate to be on the same team with Roy. There are many future stars on that team but Roy is the maestro on that team and Pritchard and McMillan know it.

As for Hawes you couldn't be more wrong. The guy was 19 years old last season and had his moments. This year he came in noticeably more cut and with much greater upper body strength. In fact he was commended for his off season strength training. They have no doubt about his ability to score. They want to improve his defense and rebounding. Those skills are improving. He had a 14 rebound night in the summer league and two 12 rebound nights last season. With Miller suspended he'll start the first 5 games of this season.

Posted by bb4good

7:53 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Is this Solomon calling out Gaddy??

"I've seen Gaddy play once and from what I'm hearing," Hill added, "he's a really good point guard so I'm hoping he'll commit sooner ..."

The stage is set for Gaddy....

-------

Hill would have been the fourth member of the recruiting class but five-star point guard Abdul Gaddy retracted his verbal commitment on May 26.

"I played with Moser and Greg Smith," Hill said. "They're cool guys to play with and are serious about playing basketball.

"I've seen Gaddy play once and from what I'm hearing," Hill added, "he's a really good point guard so I'm hoping he'll commit sooner or later, too."


Posted by bb4good

7:55 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Is this Solomon calling out Gaddy?

"I've seen Gaddy play once and from what I'm hearing," Hill added, "he's a really good point guard so I'm hoping he'll commit sooner ..."

The stage is set for Gaddy....

-------

Hill would have been the fourth member of the recruiting class but five-star point guard Abdul Gaddy retracted his verbal commitment on May 26.

"I played with Moser and Greg Smith," Hill said. "They're cool guys to play with and are serious about playing basketball.

"I've seen Gaddy play once and from what I'm hearing," Hill added, "he's a really good point guard so I'm hoping he'll commit sooner or later, too."


Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

8:39 AM, Jul 29, 2008

bb4good- Yup, that's what we call re-loading. Solomon Hill, Greg Smith, Mike Moser, and soon to be Abdul Gaddy....funny part is, that will likely be the best recruiting class that Lute has ever gotten and people keep harping that he is "old" and "losing" it....

I guarantee that before Lute hangs up his whistle, he will win 1 more National Title.

Dlep- Ha, I defended my points logically and you propose a scenario where you have to wait until my projections come true...kinda funny, as I know you are used to waiting since you are a Husky fan and look for success...but you will wait, and wait, and wait.... plus, I didn't resort to name calling unless referring to Hawes as a "superstar" offends...

patience- same old drivel from you. Don't hate son, celebrate.... CATS might have the #1 recruiting class for 2009-2010!

Posted by Scram

9:25 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Oops, Greg Smith...

Posted by dlep

9:33 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Ha Meat - you proposed the scenario, not me. Of course you make an outrageous prediction for which the outcome will not be know for a few years. By that time, no one will remember or care what you said.

Still waiting for one logical argument that would indicate Hawes being out of the league after his rookie contract. Something other than your expert read on his demeanor and desire.

Sorry, I should have said insults instead of name calling. I think 'If that isn't clear enough for you regarding Hawes, sorry fellah, you need help qualifies as such.

And finally, and I won't say anything more. Lute will win another championship guaranteed? Arizona has made one sweet sixteen in the last five years. One less than the lowly Huskies and as many as Washington State. Who really is drinking their team's kool aid? I hardly think being one of the best 16 teams only once in the last five years is indicative of a team close to winning a championship.

Any rational college basketball fan will acknowledge that Arizona has a great basketball tradition and has had a ton of success. If the Huskies could have only some of the same success, I would be absolutely thrilled. Neither though would the rational fan not acknowledge that Arizona has been in decline the last few years and that UCLA is clearly the elite program in the conference both most recently and will be in the near future at least. Arizona is now good where it was once elite.

Sorry Meat.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

9:47 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Dlep- Simple points I get from this is that he doesnt perform to high enough standards (low points and rebounds), he doesn't have leadership skills (typical trait of someone management wants to keep around), and is not mentally mature. Since you have issues with reading comprehsion, I will repeat myself a few times:

Hawes has yet to show that he is a player that is capable of sustaining a long career in the NBA. He hasn't shown leadership on the court in College or in the PROS, and hasn't proven to be the player that NBA execs thought he might be. #10 pick averaging under 5pts a game?? Wow, impressive. When he doesn't improve his numbers this year, he will simply begin to fade away much like many NBA players who are much to young who simply now get referred to as "where are they now." Hawes is a perfect example of the overhyped "superstar." Good enough to make the league (since they tend to draft on potential) but nowhere near good enough or mature enough to make a career in the league.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

9:48 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Dlep- Simple points I get from this is that he doesnt perform to high enough standards (low points and rebounds), he doesn't have leadership skills (typical trait of someone management wants to keep around), and is not mentally mature. Since you have issues with reading comprehsion, I will repeat myself a few times:

Hawes has yet to show that he is a player that is capable of sustaining a long career in the NBA. He hasn't shown leadership on the court in College or in the PROS, and hasn't proven to be the player that NBA execs thought he might be. #10 pick averaging under 5pts a game?? Wow, impressive. When he doesn't improve his numbers this year, he will simply begin to fade away much like many NBA players who are much to young who simply now get referred to as "where are they now." Hawes is a perfect example of the overhyped "superstar." Good enough to make the league (since they tend to draft on potential) but nowhere near good enough or mature enough to make a career in the league.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

9:48 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Dlep- Simple points I get from this is that he doesnt perform to high enough standards (low points and rebounds), he doesn't have leadership skills (typical trait of someone management wants to keep around), and is not mentally mature. Since you have issues with reading comprehsion, I will repeat myself a few times:

Hawes has yet to show that he is a player that is capable of sustaining a long career in the NBA. He hasn't shown leadership on the court in College or in the PROS, and hasn't proven to be the player that NBA execs thought he might be. #10 pick averaging under 5pts a game?? Wow, impressive. When he doesn't improve his numbers this year, he will simply begin to fade away much like many NBA players who are much to young who simply now get referred to as "where are they now." Hawes is a perfect example of the overhyped "superstar." Good enough to make the league (since they tend to draft on potential) but nowhere near good enough or mature enough to make a career in the league.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

9:49 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Dlep- Simple points I get from this is that he doesnt perform to high enough standards (low points and rebounds), he doesn't have leadership skills (typical trait of someone management wants to keep around), and is not mentally mature. Since you have issues with reading comprehsion, I will repeat myself a few times:

Hawes has yet to show that he is a player that is capable of sustaining a long career in the NBA. He hasn't shown leadership on the court in College or in the PROS, and hasn't proven to be the player that NBA execs thought he might be. #10 pick averaging under 5pts a game?? Wow, impressive. When he doesn't improve his numbers this year, he will simply begin to fade away much like many NBA players who are much to young who simply now get referred to as "where are they now." Hawes is a perfect example of the overhyped "superstar." Good enough to make the league (since they tend to draft on potential) but nowhere near good enough or mature enough to make a career in the league.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

9:50 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Dlep- Simple points I get from this is that he doesnt perform to high enough standards (low points and rebounds), he doesn't have leadership skills (typical trait of someone management wants to keep around), and is not mentally mature. Since you have issues with reading comprehsion, I will repeat myself a few times:

Hawes has yet to show that he is a player that is capable of sustaining a long career in the NBA. He hasn't shown leadership on the court in College or in the PROS, and hasn't proven to be the player that NBA execs thought he might be. #10 pick averaging under 5pts a game?? Wow, impressive. When he doesn't improve his numbers this year, he will simply begin to fade away much like many NBA players who are much to young who simply now get referred to as "where are they now." Hawes is a perfect example of the overhyped "superstar." Good enough to make the league (since they tend to draft on potential) but nowhere near good enough or mature enough to make a career in the league.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

9:51 AM, Jul 29, 2008

Dlep- Simple points I get from this is that he doesnt perform to high enough standards (low points and rebounds), he doesn't have leadership skills (typical trait of someone management wants to keep around), and is not mentally mature. Since you have issues with reading comprehsion, I will repeat myself a few times:

Hawes has yet to show that he is a player that is capable of sustaining a long career in the NBA. He hasn't shown leadership on the court in College or in the PROS, and hasn't proven to be the player that NBA execs thought he might be. #10 pick averaging under 5pts a game?? Wow, impressive. When he doesn't improve his numbers this year, he will simply begin to fade away much like many NBA players who are much to young who simply now get referred to as "where are they now." Hawes is a perfect example of the overhyped "superstar." Good enough to make the league (since they tend to draft on potential) but nowhere near good enough or mature enough to make a career in the league.

Posted by Romarville86

9:59 AM, Jul 29, 2008

The funny thing is I guarantee you haven't seen Spencer play more than 10 times in your life. He has a better post game than half the NBA big men. His only thing to worry about is gaining weight and getting a bigger mean streak to improve on defense which he showed great signs of last year with multiple 4 block games in limited minutes. Try reading some articles from the Sacramento Bee and getting a feel for what the fan bases(People who have actually seen him play) impressions of him are instead of spewing a bunch of nonfactual nonsense.

Posted by Volk123

10:14 AM, Jul 29, 2008

mike dunleavy jr was a top 5 pick and only averaged 5pts/game. now he avgs 19pts. doesnt matter where you are picked, plenty of players start off slow and learn the game only to get better.

Posted by Kushie

6:21 AM, Jul 31, 2008

I thought Lute was done with one'n'dones? Is this more proof of his senility?

Posted by mattysimone

3:51 PM, Aug 01, 2008

romarville- I watched spencer play a season at udub...atleast when he wasnt to sick sniff sniff and I thought he was soft and set us back. I bet you most of that squad didnt want him back for his soph year.

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