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July 24, 2008 9:04 PM

Interesting look at Pac-10

Posted by Bob Condotta

Here's an interesting off-season look at the Pac-10 from CollegeHoops.net rating whether the programs are rising or falling

The author ultimately concludes that UW is declining slowly but has a chance to reverse that trend quickly, which seems a fair way of looking at it.

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Posted by Cougfan

9:18 PM, Jul 24, 2008

Gee, wish I would have posted that...

Just kidding, Bob. But I did post the link in the last thread.

Posted by Cougfan

9:22 PM, Jul 24, 2008

And here were my thoughts:

7:04 PM, Jul 24, 2008

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/new/rise-and-fall-pac10-program-review-44496

Here is a look at the rise and decline of programs in the PX. Interesting to say the least.

My take is that duh, the WSU program is on the rise--although I don't envision this year being nearly as good as the two previous, but the next 4 or 5 should see continued improvement.

The uw program, although down the last couple of years, should be on the rise this year with some veteran players and some strong recruits. I think it is too soon to say they are on the decline unless they struggle this year. This is the year for Romar--a great man, but if he does not find success this year, he could be in serious trouble with the fans.

UofA is also a program that is not yet on the decline. Until they don't make an NCAA tourney, they are still a top tier program.

And, without mentioning names, why do you only criticize people from other schools when they make typos or grammatical errors. At least be consistent and criticize your own.

Posted by grant

12:02 AM, Jul 25, 2008

How does this list have WSU as rising and expect to be taken seriously? They just lost their three best players. Yet UW is falling because we lost a three point specialist and a one year transfer? Compare recruiting classes and returning talent, and UW is definitely rising compared to WSU. The best WSU run in school history (all 2 years of it) was less than what UW accomplished recently...so once again, why is UW falling and WU rising? If anything, this is the year that UW rises and WSU falls back down. It's not a bias thing, it's just reality. WSU won't suck or anything, but they are not about to repeat their recent success. I also like how Oregon being mediocre is "status quo"...

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

8:14 AM, Jul 25, 2008

Grant- Because they have a coach that is well respected who can implement a system regardless of the players. Washington; not so much.

Posted by MT Husky

8:31 AM, Jul 25, 2008

First, until a game has been played it would be foolish to say a program has improved or gone backwards. So until Huskies prove it on the court, I have no problem with him listing Huskies being on a slow decline. Similarly, I have no problem with him listing WSU on the rise as they just finished their 2nd year of reaching the tournament.

BUT..at the same time, for as much as you generally appear to know about basketball Meatball, your comment was ludicrous. There is no evidence yet that Bennett can implement a system regardless of the players. How do you know he didn't happen to have the perfect players the past two years to fit his system?

And...once again we come around to, 'let's see what happens this coming season.'

Sigh...how many more days until November?

Posted by Randy

8:46 AM, Jul 25, 2008

Grant, The list is accurate based upon what the teams have done over the last few years, not base upon this upcoming year because it hasn't happened yet. I think the list is completely accurate. WSU is definitely rising compared to their past history and UW is falling compared to 3 straight NCAA appearances.

Cougfan, good views. I must disagree with your debate on Arizona though. If 8-10 is not a decline than what is? If they finish 6-12 and the @$$ kissing NCAA committee still gives them an invitation does that mean they are still top tier? They are not in sharp decline but they are still declining. Meatball thinks they will be right back up this year. I don't see it but then again, that program has a knack of rebounding when least expected.

Posted by grant

9:17 AM, Jul 25, 2008

You guys are missing my point. WSU is on the exact same path UW was on. Both had success and tournament appearances built around a core group of upperclassmen players. Those players leave, and there is a void to be filled. The only programs that don't suffer serious set back are the ones that get a haul of 2 or 3 top recruits every single year (UNC, Duke, etc.). I am not trying to put WSU down, it's just that we have all just experienced the exact same thing at UW a few years earlier. Granted Romar has yet to rebound back into the tournament after the initial success, but a NCAA appearance this season is not out of the question (not a lock, but a reasonable expectation this season). Chances are, WSU is down a little this year (6th or 7th) and a little bit more the next year after they lose Baynes and Rochestie. But once the newcomers have a chance to play in TB's system for a few years, we will see if he can truly implement it without Lowe and Weaver. If so, WSU trends back up.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

9:46 AM, Jul 25, 2008

So Arizona, UCLA, and Stanford did their jobs the last 25 years, but the rest of the Teams got the Pac-10 ranked behind the Mountain West in the Prestige rankings...how sad. No wonder why the Pac-10 doesn't currently get the respect; the last 25 years shows only 3 teams deserve it.

5. Arizona
7. UCLA
25. Stanford
T-109. California
T-115. Oregon
T-124. Washington
T-132. USC
T-181. Arizona State
T-237. Washington State
T-241. Oregon State

Posted by tonedef

10:32 AM, Jul 25, 2008

UW will be better this year. got some guys who know how to play- overton and thomas- and will make things easier for all. let them make plays and the rest them just need to finish the plays they create for them.

The program was going to suffer a post-Roy and co. hangover. Roy, arguably, is the best pac-10 player of the last 20 years. A true virtuoso. Hawes, I think, screwed it up- as he prevented dentmon, pondexter, and co. from working the kinks out. they'll be better because of last year's struggles.

I hope that bradley, gaddy, and whomever else wait a little while to see this improvement (I think they make the NCAA's) before choosing not to go to UW.

Anyone think UW has a shot at any of them?

Posted by Scott

10:50 AM, Jul 25, 2008

tonedef,
Bradley is a lock to come to UW. I guarantee* it.

*guarantee is subject to changing minds of 17 year olds

Posted by MT Husky

11:05 AM, Jul 25, 2008

Grant – I hear what you’re saying, I just don’t think there is any evidence to yet say WSU isn’t still slowly rising. They do seem to have a fantastic coach, their recruiting class last year was better than average and they have some solid players looking at them for 2009.

And regarding UW, I think his assessment was fair. We have plummeted from a #1 seed in the tourney 4 years ago to losing in round 1 of the CBI last year.

So I guess I understand what you’re saying, and don’t really disagree (WSU’s path does appear to resemble Huskies of a few years ago)…other than if I were doing the same analysis I would have rated UW and WSU the same way he did based on the past 5 years…we have declined slowly, and on paper that should end this coming season, but it hasn’t yet occurred.

Besides, after being so over-rated coming into Hawes freshmen season, I like it that most of the media is disregarding the Huskies for the coming year. Being the underdawg is also good for some additional motivation.

Tonedef- I sure wonder the same thing, I go to this link http://washington.scout.com/a.z?s=147&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&yr=2009 about 5 times a day and have been discouraged to see that they lowered both Honeycutt and Bradley from ‘high’ interest to ‘med’.

I hope Scott knows something we don’t. And I agree, I hope that if Gaddy, Bradley and even Dotson give a verbal elsewhere, they don’t sign on the bottom line until they see how much fun this team will be and how good they can be.

Posted by Cougfan

11:10 AM, Jul 25, 2008

We beat out OSU--thank God!!!

Posted by Scott

11:40 AM, Jul 25, 2008

MT,
I don't have any inside info on recruiting. I thought maybe if I posted it here it would become truthiness. Kind of like Obama being a Muslim and UofA being Point Guard U.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

11:43 AM, Jul 25, 2008

MT Husky- The way recruits are these days, their signature on the dotted line doesn't mean they will play for that school...obviously, my program can be used as an example here.

With the two 4 Star recruits we have next year in Smith and Moser, why would Gaddy not sign the letter of intent? Only reason would be if he wanted to try and be a one and done player, as Lute is shutting the door on that possibility (not sure how effective that policy will be...I;m guessing he means he just wont recruit the obvious one and done guys like Jennings and Rozan)

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

11:51 AM, Jul 25, 2008

Scott- In obvious attempt at humor regarding the Point Guard U comment, but seriously, the only other school that even comes close is Georgia Tech, and they still fall way short in comparison to my Wildcats. Word of advice: If you want to take a dig at the meatball, try not taking something that is a historical fact and paints my Wildcats in such a positive light.

Posted by MT Husky

11:55 AM, Jul 25, 2008

Meatball – this is not an attack on Lute or your program. You know I’ve never once criticized Lute…but the bottom line is he is just returning after a year of turmoil in the program, he already had health issues and he’ll be 75 for any recruit looking at 2009.

So, two reasons for Gaddy to not sign the AZ letter of intent would be:

1) Realistically, how much longer can Lute coach?

2) Gaddy could be a huge home-town hero. In fact, that is what I don’t get…with the Sonics gone he could practically be the toast of the town in Seattle for the 2009 b-ball season.

I REALLY hope one of the local boys stay true to their roots.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

12:43 PM, Jul 25, 2008

MT- I'm not saying lists like that "Prestige" list are end all be all lists, but you have to acknowledge that Highschool kids look at those types of things when deciding on where to go to college. Lists like that are good to figure out which programs can sustain success overtime and which ones are flashes in the pan with only short term success. When kids from Washington couple the history over the last 25 years with the immediate no post season invites to tournies the last few years, it becomes more difficult for schools like Washington to keep the instate top talent. I'm not saying they will definitely chose schools like Arizona over them, but they are more likely due to the constant success, Post Season Tournies, National limelight, ect...

I think Lute can realisticly coach for 3-5 more years, and today I lean more towards the 3 year side of it, but that can change depending on how he fares next year. Maybe he can go 8 more years, or maybe next year will be his swan song. Regardless, what he has established in Tucson will be sustained after he has gone. Coach Dunlap may very well be a fine replacement if that is the direction that we go, but I tend to see us going for an already proven top level coach. A younger guy who can implement a similar run and gun open offense style: That might be that fella over at Villanova; we shall see. But I am definitely excited in the direction my program is going. If you recall last year at this time, I was spouting out about how much I hate Kevin O'Neill and brining him in as an Assistant was a terrible idea. Glad that is past us.

Posted by dawgpack

12:43 PM, Jul 25, 2008

Hey Bob, a little off topic, but with the 3-point line moving back next year do you think this will affect the huskies or other teams in the pac-10 very much? Are the guys practicing with the deeper lines this summer?

We already were not that great of a 3-point team last year besides the streaky Appleby. Awesome blogs by the way. This is where I come for all of my husky news.

Posted by MT Husky

1:52 PM, Jul 25, 2008

Meatball, you’re saying a recruit should select AZ because of the program’s history. I’m saying these Seattle boys should select UW because they can MAKE history.

Think about Seattle right now: it is a metropolitan area of several million people that no longer has an NBA team, the baseball team is the worst in the A.L., the professional football team is mediocre and I’ll leave the Husky football predictions for the other board…all to say, you don’t think an exciting basketball program isn’t going to be one of the biggest draws you could find anywhere in the country?

What do Gaddy and Bradley (and others) want?

Huskies are going to be exciting either way…and successful I believe. But if some of this young phenomenal talent were to come to the Huskies they will be a part of something big like almost nothing they could experience anywhere else.
Slam UW and Romar all you want, this team is on the cusp of something special and it amazes me that some of the young Seattle boys haven’t already signed up to be a part of it.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

2:17 PM, Jul 25, 2008

MT Husky- Now only if you could get the young Washington based players to drink that same Koolaide.

Posted by grant

3:25 PM, Jul 25, 2008

MT,
I think we basically agree. Obviously we have not been as good the past two years, especially compared to the #1 seed, Sweet 16s, B-Roy, etc. I am just optimistic about this season (I think you are as well). Maybe you're right, being under the radar will be beneficial to the success of this year's team. My only concern, and Meatball touched on it a little ways back, is that recruits like Gaddy, Bradley and Dotson see these articles, or the ESPN list and other media sources being negative about the Huskies. That has to hurt our chances of getting these guys (it certainly doesn't help our cause) which sucks when you think about what they could accomplish as Huskies.

Posted by Bob Condotta

3:48 PM, Jul 25, 2008

I plan to do something on the new line at some point, and we did write stories about it when the rule changed, as well. I'm not sure it will change a whole lot --- maybe help out spacing just a little bit. The new lines are already painted on the courts at UW and have been since the end of last season, so yes, they are practicing with the new lines.

Posted by mattysimone

5:18 PM, Jul 25, 2008

gaddy and bradley are a pipe dream! there gonna pick texas. I said we had no chance for bradley a long tie ago as some of you may confirm. Hopefully Im wrong. Id like to see trent and kemp. Trent just put us in his final 5. very explosive player

Posted by mattysimone

5:21 PM, Jul 25, 2008

Heres a video of trent. dunk highlight video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGirO5G5jzU

Posted by WSUx3

5:27 PM, Jul 25, 2008

rochestie will shut down any scrub u-dumb throws at him. He was the best defender in the conference last year he just didnt get the hype of fUCLA or SUCK players

Posted by mattysimone

5:30 PM, Jul 25, 2008

who? hahahaha this guy! gotta love wAZZu fans

Posted by jed

9:10 PM, Jul 25, 2008

The most important factor for future recruiting is winning again with the personel we already have. Romar is well liked by recruits and if we begin winning the quality recruits will come.

There is enough talent on the team to make this happen if they commit to defense and full effort by all for the full 40 minutes every night; sounds simple but difficult to get a team to buy into. Howland demands it which is one reason UCLA is going to be good for years to come. We historically are a very good rebounding team and it looks like IT and Turner will provide much needed help on perimeter offense.

I'm looking forward to see if Holiday and QP have what it takes in talent, effort and desire to make Budinger work for every shot. It was good to see Chase frustrated last year when he had two offensive fouls in consecutive possessions against QP. We need much more of that.

Posted by ZonaBaby

9:23 AM, Jul 26, 2008

Josh Smith is more interested in the Arizona Wildcats.


Things are getting to be very interesting.

Another reason Josh is looking more seriously at the Arizona Wildcats.

uclass recruting class of 2009 is weak and getting Josh's attention.
This is becoming very apparent on a National Level.


And whyn't Josh be very concerned.
First, uclass (itself) is nervous about its current 2009 recruiting class.
Secondly, they have lost two of there top players......Snaer is out and Stover is out.
Third, uclass is scrambling to get Honeycutt. Nice attempt uclass....uclass offered;but, Honeycutt said he will wait. Not looking good - uclass.
Fourth, Josh has noticed that uclass has been in a scrambling mode.


Who will uclass have for 2010:
They will have there pre-season all american CENTER, T. Morgan.
Holiday should be good.
That is it for star power.

The uclass team is not looking too attractive to Josh Smith.

Posted by ZonaBaby

9:24 AM, Jul 26, 2008

Arizona Wildcat becoming MORE attractive to Josh Smith....


Things are getting to be very interesting.

Another reason Josh is looking more seriously at the Arizona Wildcats.

uclass recruting class of 2009 is weak and getting Josh's attention.
This is becoming very apparent on a National Level.


And whyn't Josh be very concerned.
First, uclass (itself) is nervous about its current 2009 recruiting class.
Secondly, they have lost two of there top players......Snaer is out and Stover is out.
Third, uclass is scrambling to get Honeycutt. Nice attempt uclass....uclass offered;but, Honeycutt said he will wait. Not looking good - uclass.
Fourth, Josh has noticed that uclass has been in a scrambling mode.


Who will uclass have for 2010:
They will have there pre-season all american CENTER, T. Morgan.
Holiday should be good.
That is it for star power.

The uclass team is not looking too attractive to Josh Smith.

Posted by Scott

2:33 PM, Jul 26, 2008

Bob,
Please ban ZonaBaby. The spam is getting old. He adds nothing but propaganda.

Posted by tj

9:53 AM, Jul 27, 2008

I dont know how zonababy did it.....but he made Cougfan look like a Mensa College Hoops member

Posted by Cougfan

11:39 AM, Jul 27, 2008

tj: I have forgotten more about BB than you will ever know

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