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May 11, 2008 10:46 AM

ESPN airs allegations against USC

Posted by Bob Condotta

It's not a happy Mother's Day at USC where the school appears embroiled in another controversy, this one in basketball involving O.J. Mayo.

Here's the report from ESPN as well as an overview from the USC blog at the LA Times.

A quick reading makes this sound as if it's got a lot of similarities to the Reggie Bush deal involving the USC football program.

As I have written often on the football blog, I think the Pac-10 deserves the benefit of the doubt until we see what they do with the Bush situation. I get a lot of e-mails charging a double-standard compared to what happened with UW in the early '90s.

But I think until we can read the completed investigation that we can't criticize it. Once they announce what they have found and are doing with it, then we can judge.

What I also always point out is that it is different people in charge now, different people doing the investigating, and a completely different tenor about penalizing programs. I doubt anyone will get hit as hard as UW, Alabama, Miami and others did in the '90s --- there's too much money at stake now.

And now USC and the Pac-10 has to deal with this Mayo situation, as well.

But just think --- if Trojans have to forfeit all games Mayo played in last year, the Huskies might just finish with a winning record after all.

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Posted by patience

7:01 PM, May 11, 2008

first it was reggie bush, now oj mayo. cheaters pure and simple.

good thing UCLA hired neuheisel, otherwise they'd never be able to keep up

Posted by 206er

9:35 PM, May 11, 2008

good insight bob, i agree. also as a husky fan and seeing how much unethical behavior has hurt our athletic program i'd like to see others held to the same standards. there is evidence of similar behavior in football and basketball at sc. there needs to at least be a full investigation of their entire athletics program and depending on the findings the school should be punished accordingly

Posted by marc

10:37 PM, May 11, 2008

I hate thinking that "too much money is at stake" is ever a good argument.

Posted by Cougfan

6:59 AM, May 12, 2008

Here is an interesting post from Cougfan.com:

Posted: Yesterday 10:26 AM

Re: Mayo and USC....

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Let me see if I have this right:

WSU's recruit Boeke loses a year of eligibility because someone on his club team (not him) overseas received money. Meanwhile, USC football star Reggie Bush receives boatloads of money while in college, USC basketball star OJ Mayo receives all kinds of money while in school, and before he enrolled, yet the NCAA and the Pac-10 do nothing. Meanwhile, I guess the NCAA is so mad about all this that they'll add on to the penalties they've given South Paducah U or some other lesser school. Shameful. Neither the Pac-10 nor the NCAA have credibility if they don't apply penalties equally across the board.


I agree UW got the screw job when DJ was the coach--especially in light of recent happenings around the country. At the time, I thought although the penalties were harsh, at least the PX and the NCAA were doing something. Now I have to wonder why the court systems go by precedent while the NCAA goes by whatever is good for them at the time--damn the rules!

Posted by Cougfan

7:49 AM, May 12, 2008

On another note, went to 2 of the 3 baseball games this weekend. Friday the huskies beat the Cougs 12-3 and on Sat the Cougs won 5-1. Yesterday UW won the final game of the series. I always go to the games when the Cougs are in town and it's always a good time. Much less expensive then a Mariner's game and really the quality is very high.

Your huskies are ranked in the top 30 and if they can win one of their final two series should make the NCAA's. THey have one more home series left and you should go support college athletics--besides FB and basketball.

Posted by DAWGONE in AZ

7:59 AM, May 12, 2008

Bob...you really create a good blog site here. I just saw the Mayo interview on SportsCenter and was racing over to the blog to let everyone know to watch it...and "voila!" you already have it here.

WOW...what a corrupt school athetic department...

Shame on the coach for not reporting this.

A kid that has that kind of money spent on him???
The coach recruited him for goodness sake, he knows his financial background!!!
He probably sat in his mom's living room!!!
You don't have any idea what your own top player is doing after practice?!!

Corrupt, corrupt school who has been trained by the NCAA to cheat for championships.

Posted by Caldawg

8:04 AM, May 12, 2008

Bob your point of waiting for the final findings is a little weak given that we have been waiting for what 3 years already. If they ever publish a finding on Bush it will be after Pete has left and the team isn't competing for the BCS anymore. Like I have said several times they will not do anything to kill the golden goose.

Posted by Mike

8:07 AM, May 12, 2008

Bob,

Looking at prior forfeitures due to ineligible players, the NCAA makes the team that won forfeite the win, it does not give the teams that lost a win. Hence, those games that USC won, would be shown as both teams losing.

Posted by DAWGONE in AZ

8:12 AM, May 12, 2008

Where are we as a society, where institutional values of honesty and integrity are compromised because "there's too much money at stake now"?

Yes, we are just talking sportsmanship...but at the highest levels (major university bball & fball) and with young minds, which are supposed to shape into our leaders of the future.

Wow, Bob, if your right, that's a scarey compromise...

Posted by DAWGONE in AZ

8:18 AM, May 12, 2008

Sorry...I didn't mean "institutional values", but rather "the discipline for the breakdown of an Institution's core values"...

People have been cheating since the beginning of time...but to compromise the DISCIPLINE of cheating is a major issue you raised.

Just rubbed me the wrong way....but you may be right!

Posted by Bob Condotta

9:12 AM, May 12, 2008

Mike --- Maybe they've changed it, but that's not how they used to do it. In 1995, when Cal had to forfeit a bunch of games for the violations that got Todd Bozeman fired, UW was awarded a win after the fact, changing its record from 9-18 and 5-13 to 10-17 and 6-12. The UW press box lists the game as a W (forfeit) then the score as a Husky loss, 84-76. UW actually won its other game against Cal that season in Bob Bender's second season as coach.

As per Bush, I stand by that I don't know how you can criticize the NCAA, Pac-10, etc., until you get the final report. I get all these e-mails saying they are "doing nothing'' yet I then read all these stories, like the ones I linked last week, about depositions being taken, etc. Seems like they may be doing a lot behind the scenes. Maybe they aren't. But at this moment. who can know for sure? If they release a report that looks like doing nothing, then I'll criticize as heartily as the rest.

Posted by Dave " The Meatball" Armistead

9:27 AM, May 12, 2008

Went to the Arizona Cactus Classic- Pretty good players, Gaddy is solid and will be a nice addition to the UofA tradition of Point Guards. To dispel a few things:

" The mother of incoming UA guard Brandon Jennings, Alice Knox, said she was confident her son will meet NCAA eligibility requirements in time to play for the Wildcats next fall. Players are not cleared until August. Knox was on hand to watch the Cactus Classic as a spectator."

and... I hate to break the hearts of the Husky Faithful but.....

" Siva, however, said his three leaders are USC, UCLA and Washington, while Snaer said he was unsure if the Wildcats have offered him a scholarship.
Siva said he likes the head coaches at UCLA, USC and Washington but would like to play with the Northwest Panthers' Abdul Gaddy, who has committed to the Wildcats.
"We want to play together," Siva said. "If Arizona fits me, I'll come to Arizona."

Guess what, he fits.....

Posted by Cougfan

9:58 AM, May 12, 2008

"But just think --- if Trojans have to forfeit all games Mayo played in last year, the Huskies might just finish with a winning record after all."

Does this mean they have to redraw for the NCAA tournament? Play it again!!!

Posted by Cougfan

10:01 AM, May 12, 2008

"But just think --- if Trojans have to forfeit all games Mayo played in last year, the Huskies might just finish with a winning record after all."

Does this mean they have to redraw for the NCAA tournament? Play it again!!!

Posted by John

10:53 AM, May 12, 2008

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10822707

Great article by Gary Parrish. I'm amazed that he writes for the same site as Dennis Dodd.

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