Husky Football Blog
Times reporter Bob Condotta keeps the news coming about the Montlake Dawgs.
July 6, 2008 11:22 PM
Posted by Bob Condotta
The departures of J.R. Hasty and Jordan Murchison last week only made it more evident what a young team the Huskies will be heading into the 2008 season.
Consider that of the 84 players now on scholarship (by my count, anyway) only 15 are fourth- or fifth-year players.
I broke down the Class of 2005 last week, a group that now has just seven of the 13 that originally signed.
There are also just eight left from the Class of 2004, of 22 that originally signed (I'll break that down in a future post). That was the only full class signed by former coach Keith Gilbertson. Including Juan Garcia, the lone remaining member of the Class of 2003, there are just nine players left on the roster not signed by Tyrone Willingham.
There are also just 13 left from the Class of 2006, a group that originally consisted of 22 players, also contributing to the youth of this team. The major reason there are so few left is that seven signees of that class were JC transfers, five of whom are no longer with the Huskies, including Murchison (the two that remain are S Jason Wells and snapper Danny Morovick).
The vast majority of the roster is made up of the last two recruiting classes --- 52 scholarship players in all (of 53 who originally signed. The lone signee from the past two years no longer on the roster is lineman Emeka Iweka). There are 26 each from the classes of 2007 and 2008. Most of the players from the Class of 2008 will be arriving this week to enroll in the summer bridge program.
For those who will add up the numbers, the difference is made up walk-ons who have since earned scholarships, such as TE Michael Gottlieb.
Posted by 2Tite 4U FoSho
11:47 PM, Jul 06, 2008
Posted by Ira
12:23 AM, Jul 07, 2008
Are you assumong both Hawkins and Gage are still on scholarship?
Also, if there is a ride available whom among the walkons would be most desreving?
Posted by DallasDawg
5:44 AM, Jul 07, 2008
"Young Huskies" can be a relative term. Bob how do the Huskies compare to Oregon, USC, Oklahoma and Notre Dame in terms of upper classmen?
Posted by 3 of 5
7:22 AM, Jul 07, 2008
by any measure, 52 players in their first and second seasons makes the huskies are a very young team.
Feel free to compare UW to Oregon though. It'd be interesting.
Posted by 3 of 4
7:54 AM, Jul 07, 2008
It is pretty clear now that this problem with Husky Football is no longer the fault of Neuheisel, Hedges, Gilby, etc.
It falls squarely on the shoulders of Tyrone Willingham and his FAILURES in recruiting in 2005 and 2006.
Other coaches who have been hired in similar timeframes as Tyrone (2 + months to put together a class) have been able to get a full 20-25 players.
Not Tyrone, who signed 13 players, most of whom have done NOTHING on the field.
His first full recruiting class is nearly a DISASTER as well, with only about half of the players making any contribution.
While Tyrone went golfing, Schilling went to Michigan.
While Tyrone was counting his millions, Mays went to USC.
Young team? You bet. Thanks to Tyrone.
Posted by Formerly Guest
8:20 AM, Jul 07, 2008
Actually a breakdown of the class of 2006 would be really interesting, if you have the time.
Also, do you have any easy to come by information on Iweka, like is he going to graduate JC, will he have 2 or 3 yrs of eligibility left, is UW trying to sign him, is he looking elsewhere, is he still projected as a great prospect?
Posted by AZHusky
8:53 AM, Jul 07, 2008
People who still think the recruiting classes of 2005 and 2006 are representative of TW's ability to recruit show a complete lack of knowledge of how college recruiting works.
High school kids are recruited during their JUNIOR year (now even earlier as made example with the Skyline freshman). The class of 2007 was the FIRST class that TW's staff was able to recruit properly and quite frankly shows what kind of talent TW brings in when given the full two years to recruit.
Scenarios where coaches come in and bring in top notch talent right away occur at places that have an entrenched recruiting bed like Michigan and ND. Despite what we husky alums think, UW is not recruiting in the early 90's anymore and our recruiting bed had been raped by places like Oregon and USC during the time our program was down. We needed Tyrone to protect the state and that's exactly what he has done with the last two recruiting classes. And it's something that Neuheisel and Gilby were unable to do during the stretch of time before and during our downturn.
If you're going to take the time to rip TW's tenure and his recruiting, please at least understand how it works because it weakens the already childish point that you're trying to make.
This current staff has things moving in the right direction, any reasonably-minded person can see that.
Posted by Bob Condotta
9:06 AM, Jul 07, 2008
Ira --- I'm assuming Gage is and Hawkins isn't on scholarship based on what we heard in the spring. But walk-on scholarships are year-to-year deals (as technically all are) so we'll know for sure when the season rolls around. I would think those two would be the first two in line to get scholarships if they are not still on one. Center Greg Christine I would think would be next.
As for Iweka, he is at Arizona Western JC. He needs to graduate there to be eligible. He redshirted last year to also recover from an Achilles injury. He has said he would like to go to a four-year after this season, meaning he would have three to play three. But that will depend on how he does academically. He has said he would like to head back to UW. I'm not certain if UW is still interested.
Posted by GettingTiredofAntiTWCrap
9:26 AM, Jul 07, 2008
Good post AZHusky!! It's well known that the first recruiting class for MANY head coaches turns out to be a non-factor in the ultimate succes of the program.
Posted by K Dub
9:51 AM, Jul 07, 2008
LOL...Great post AZ Husky.
It's comical the lack of reading comprehension and/or critical thinking skills from the Negadawgs. Quite frankly, they sound like the kind of sheep who tune into conservative talk radio and only have the ability to spew the same talking points day after day.
Bob clearly laid out that the '06 class was primarily made up of JC transfers who are no longer here, or more than likely didn't qualify.
Another weak minded argument you generally here from the Negadawgs is comparing UW to Cal and how Tedford won quickly. Well, let's see. Cal makes it a million times easier for a JC kid to enroll compared to the UW. Willingham tried to go the JC route early on in his tenure but got burned because the majority of those recruites failed to qualify.
He made the correct decision of going away from the JC route...that's why this team is so young. It's not that hard understand guys.
Posted by old dawg
10:14 AM, Jul 07, 2008
It's inconsistent to cite Mays and Schilling as reasons why we need to fire TW, when it is exactly that type of upheaval that players of that ilk cite as reasons why they went elsewhere. You defeat your own argument.
When many in the last class were interviewed, they expect TW to be their coach, and they expect to win. It's the players that will win on the field. It's these players that are replacing the players that DID fail on the field.
Clearly the talent level is going up. The anti-tw crowd would have you believe that everything that is wrong is TW's fault, and all the good things are in spite of him. You can't have it both ways.
btw, there's been a lot of speculation over the last couple of weeks about the number of new players that will see the field and the effect on the O and D. The facts are that the most significant effect is likely to be the ST's, since speed and energy take precedence over experience and skill. Lot's of players make their first big impression when given such an opportunity. Lengthen the field for the opposition and shorten the field for our offense...makes for a huge difference.
Posted by old timer
10:55 AM, Jul 07, 2008
If this is the year that TW has to come up with a winning record, & all that, & at the same time this is a young team, as today's blog shows, that sounds like a bad combination. Too bad the decision can't be made based on the next 2 seasons, as this group of players matures. Whatever happens, I'd like to feel like the team is playing better football as the game progresses, & playing best in the 4th quarter. Also like to feel like all aspects of the game are being focused on & everything possible is being done to win.
Posted by Reality Check
11:13 AM, Jul 07, 2008
Yes, K-Dub. Any people who don't share your views are clearly brainwashed. (Typical liberal, mean spiritied, arrogant, closed minded, elitist, B.S.) Hey, you fired the first political shot, cowboy, so here goes. People like you turn on MSNBC, CBS, watch Jon Stewart, read the Seattle PI or New York Times and figure you've been educated. Here's a thought. Do some independent thinking and then start taking pot shots at others. Somehow I doubt you have any real clue when it comes to the politcial scene and who is really doing what -- agendas, tactics, etc. And for what it's worth, most "conservatives" (not Republicans) just want smaller goverment, lower taxes, less invasion into personal life from the government (regulation, fees, tabs, permits, etc.), a government that isn't running up multiple trillions of dollars of debt, and a consolidation of power within the various levels of government. I'm not sure if my personal views are "liberal", "conservative", "libertarian" or whatever, but labels don't help anything. Moreover, people like you going around slinging political mud only make things worse. How about talking about IDEAS rather than smearing other's beliefs? Big government is the problem, not the people who want it shrunk and kept in check. Sorry, I'm just sick of political nazis like K-Dub with their holier than thou views on things.
But that aside (since it's not supposed to be a political blog), the concern over Ty's efforts are directly related to his performance. I don't think most folks are attacking him for his first year or even second year. (There are some who are, but they are pretty few and far between.) The folks who are concerned about Ty's performance are looking at the huge step backwards from year 2 to year 3. And now we're hearing talk about tough schedule, young team, making progress, etc. Hey, year's 1 and 2 were free passes, year 3 was a failure. Now year 4 can't be another free pass.
And at risk of repeating a thought that has been expressed a number of times, I don't think most of us really give a rip about Ty (good or negative.) I've got friends -- I'm not looking for a buddy. i.e. -- I don't really have strong personal feelings for or against Ty. The people concerned want a good coach who can run a clean program and win games. If that man is Ty Willingham, then fantastic. If it's somebody else, then let's get them in here. At the end of the day, it's not personal -- it's about wins and losses. Potential, progress, and all of the other subjective measures don't mean squat after a while. And by my watch, Ty is rolling into year 4 of a 5 year, $7.5 million contract. I don't think expecting performance (as measured by wins) is asking too much at this point.
Posted by Reality Check
11:21 AM, Jul 07, 2008
I think I'm done posting (I know, HOORAY). I like Bob's updates, so I may read those. But it just seems like folks who hold a different opinion (on any matter) aren't very welcome in or around Seattle. It seems to be an "open minded" (har, har) stance of many Seattle, San Fran type liberals. That being said...
I'll be pulling for UW and hoping that Ty can surprise me by winning games. I'd love for the guy to be our coach the next 25+ years while winning mulitple Rose Bowls, national titles, and a huge percentage of his games. But if we suffer through another 4 or 5 win slog where the defense collapses, the team folds in the 4th quarter, and we get worst as the season progresses rather than better, will you please consider the idea that maybe a change is in order? I just want what's best for UW football (as I'm sure you do).
Here's to a good campaign in '08. I'm outta here. Cheers...
Posted by Seattle Dave
11:28 AM, Jul 07, 2008
Reality Check, here's one "seattle liberal" who is with you 100% on the Ty issue.
Posted by Seattle Dave
11:31 AM, Jul 07, 2008
By the way, the JC thing doesn't explain how Tedford took over a 1-10 team and immediately had them 7-5. Look it up, Tedford only took one JC in his first class. You can argue that the JC's helped him later, but his immediate impact was a 6-win upswing almost entirely without JC help.
Posted by Guy
11:32 AM, Jul 07, 2008
Reality Check, it seems your rant contains all of the things you disliked about K Dub's post. Mean spiritied, arrogant, closed minded, elitist, B.S.
Posted by Seattle Dave
11:35 AM, Jul 07, 2008
Also for AZ Husky, if you want an example of a guy who hit the ground running in recruiting and didn't need any two year warm up period with the high school kids, Ron Zook comes to mind. Now maybe there were shenanigans there, who knows, but until somebody proves different, Zook stands as an example that it can be done.
Posted by Stop the excuses
12:10 PM, Jul 07, 2008
I will miss a little Reality and common sense on this blog.
Ron Zook and Jeff Tedford never blew off an in home visit (Steve Schilling) to go golfing.
Please stop with the excuses for Tyrone. Really, how long are all you Typologists going to give the guy?
Anyone with a basic understanding of college football can see that the man is a failure of a football coach.
Posted by Formerly Guest
12:19 PM, Jul 07, 2008
When you talk football, you add a lot to this board, so I hope you don't really leave.
I don't always agree with your points, but they are often well-argued and thoughtful.
Posted by poster
12:38 PM, Jul 07, 2008
A healthy blog probably needs opposing views equally as much as it needs to stay on topic. Here's hoping for both (RC hopefully continues to post).
Posted by onewoodwacker
2:33 PM, Jul 07, 2008
As sad as it may be for some who like Ty (I do like him by the way), the reality is he will have to have the perfect season.. When you're the man in charge, making 1.5 million to carry the mantle of that role, then no one need look any farther than you.
In this case (though there are ample reasons for the current scenerio of Husky Football - the 2005 recruiting class comes to mind) the responsibility has, and always will, fall on the Head Coach's shoulders.
He HAS to be able to COACH the PERFECT season if he wants to remain the coach at Washington or any other D-1 school for that matter. If he fails this year, in combination with his last two stints at ND and Washington - he may have closed the book on any hope for another D-1 Head Coaching offer.
No excuses - he should have recognized the pending situation with this Senior Class (note Oregon's accusition of LaGarrette Blount - JC, RB and Justin Thompson - JC, DT and Florida's Carl Moore - JC, WR.
We didn't HAVE to be in this position - with no experienced D-Linemen, WR's or RB's. Ty chose not to aggressivly go after the JC player, opting instead to sign HS seniors and role the dice with them. This year will tell us all if he made the right choice - he staked his future on it.
Posted by Husky19
3:18 PM, Jul 07, 2008
Reality and Seatte Dave,
As much as I often disagree with you guys, I totally agree with Reality's post.
"I'll be pulling for UW and hoping that Ty can surprise me by winning games. I'd love for the guy to be our coach the next 25+ years while winning mulitple Rose Bowls, national titles, and a huge percentage of his games. But if we suffer through another 4 or 5 win slog where the defense collapses, the team folds in the 4th quarter, and we get worst as the season progresses rather than better, will you please consider the idea that maybe a change is in order? I just want what's best for UW football (as I'm sure you do)."
Perfectly stated. Let's go Dawgs 9-10 wins in 2008!
Posted by Formerly Guest
3:38 PM, Jul 07, 2008
Only Carl Moore can say how hard we REALLY went after him, but if I recall correctly, we certainly offered him a scholarship and were in his top 5 choices until the end.
I don't recall hearing anything about the other two.
Posted by Hire Mike Tice NOW!!
4:50 PM, Jul 07, 2008
Schilling at U of M has been a bust so far..Vernon Gholston ate him up last year..Mays though was the stud that TW needed but couldn't get..The guys a FREAK 6"4 225-230 ran a electronic 4.25 this spring it was posted on Pete Carrolls website...
If TW wins knowone is going to rip the guy for golfing, going to NC, or not partaking in the coaches tour events, even though it stipulates it in his 1.5MILLION dollar a year contract....
His prize recruit this year(Kavario) stated on the radio that he would have gone to Udub regardless of the coach...Tw has to win this year PERIOD no more excuses from the ty apologists as were young this year..so you want to give the guy a extension or have him go into the last year of his contract as a lame duck coach, while all the coaches in the pac-10 use the Ty's not even gonna be there line, why go to udub!!
I say we hire MIKE TICE, he's got local ties, is a former NFL player and coach, good motivator and is good with the media, and I feel could raise lots and lots of money for the school...
Posted by Designtime
5:03 PM, Jul 07, 2008
A guy who started at Michigan as a freshman is a bust now?
What do we call Ty then?
Posted by MelloDawg
2:33 AM, Jul 09, 2008
I'll respect your opinion because I assume you've been around Husky football for a while and are more patient than we who dislike Ty's job as coach. However, it should not take 5 years to evaluate whether or not he is the right fit at UW. I happen to think it could have been done after last year, but am willing to be patient with those who need this coming year to see it my way.
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