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June 4, 2008 9:03 PM
Interesting look at Pac-10 coaching salaries
Posted by Bob Condotta
Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News has an interesting take today on the salaries of the head coaches in the Pac-10. Here it is.
Wilner lists the salaries in terms of approximate guaranteed annual compensation, and also provides a ranking of dollars to wins value, giving UW coach Tyrone Willingham a D. Willingham ranks third in salary at $1.47 million a year in Wilner's compilation.
Wilner points out that Willingham will lose "hundreds of thousands of dollars'' in deferred compensation should he not remain the coach through five years.
You can read Willingham's contract here and the section Wilner is referring to is 4p. It's tough to figure out exactly how much Willingham would stand to lose because it's hard to know for certain if he has reached some of the academic and administrative incentives. But he would lose more than $500,000 by any conservative reading of it.
Posted by Dave
10:45 PM, Jun 04, 2008
I dunno Tarn, I don't see too many other coaches out there who took over a 1-10 team and immediately led them to 6 consecutive winning seasons. Our coach sure didn't. Incidentally the last Cal coach with 6 consecutive winning seasons was "Pappy" Waldorf back in 1947-52. I think Tedford is earning his checks.
Posted by MelloDawg
1:04 AM, Jun 05, 2008
I feel like Bob's most recent entries on Willingham and other posters are doing my job for me.
Is it me, or are people being more vocal about Ty's ineptitudes as a football coach lately?
Posted by John
2:34 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Everyone's already agreed that this is his last year. There's nothing more to discuss on the subject.
People are just repeating themselves.
Posted by John
2:34 AM, Jun 05, 2008
And by last year I mean last chance to win.
Posted by onewoodwacker
5:25 AM, Jun 05, 2008
I asked on another thread but got no response - so I'll ask again -
Who in the world can the UW hire that has ties with the UW but doesn't have ties to the last of the James thru Neuheisel era (92 - 01 - when we broke rules, players committed crimes - etc.)?? I do not know who that person is.
Don James' opinion (or anyone from that era) doesn't mean that much to me as he was in charge of this team when the UW was placed on the worst probation in school history.
Anyone from the Hedges era means nothing to me.
I think we'd all be foolish not to at least consider how Turner was let go by Emmert and the PUBLIC "win or your fired" ultimatum Emmert issued to Ty.
This type of involvement from the School President in the AD's business may be playing out to the negative more than we may wish to admit.
You just can't say and do as you wish just because you’re the boss. Emmert may have the authority to tell people what to do but he has nothing to say to those who refuse to except working for him.
That may be why no one wants this job, just my opinion and thought.
Posted by dawg4life
6:44 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Mello...it's just you.
onewood...actually you can just say and do as you wish cause you're the boss, and thank God we have Mark Emmert there to say and do as he wishes. With someone else we'd still have Turner giving us the good old Ivy League cheer.
Emmert will be the reason the Dawgs return to compete annually for the Pac 10 title. His strong arm will attract the best AD, not detract.
Posted by JimMorarulz!
7:17 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Dear Bobby,
Can you explain how "national championships" work? Because my duck friend was laughing at me, claiming that UW has only won 3 "national championships" in all of our sports. After reading the rowing article today, it seems like our school has more!!!
Posted by Nebdawg
7:29 AM, Jun 05, 2008
I wanted to give a little shout out to Finn Hill for his remarks about TW being a fraud for going to NC to play golf, and anyone else who has a problem with TW for playing golf. TW is playing in a charity event to raise money for the Wounded Warrior Disabled Sports Program. I am very proud to be a Husky and to have a coach represent us in this great event. It is very honorable for him to do this, as it is a great cause. Here is a little info on the program: The Wounded Warrior Disabled Sports Project is a partnership between Disabled Sports USA, its chapters and the Wounded Warrior Project, providing year round sports programs for severely wounded service members from the Iraq and Afghanistan conflict and the Global War on Terrorism. Thirty-seven years of experience has shown early intervention with active sports results in successful rehabilitation, leading to employment.
Here is the link to the fundraising golf event: http://www.mcccgolf.com/index.html Finn Hill, I hope you don't have a problem with him doing this after you understand what the cause is that he is supporting.
Posted by Eli
7:31 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Bob,
Are there any UW athletes to have ever double sported in football and crew?
Great article by Craig Smith today!!!
Posted by Jordan
7:53 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Mello,
The answer to your question is no. It's just June and Bob doesn't have a whole lot to write about. He's just covering what the national media is saying and they are having the conversation about Ty right now that we all did 6 months ago.
Posted by ILiveInHoth
8:24 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Mike RIley for HC in 09!
Posted by Bob Condotta
8:29 AM, Jun 05, 2008
One tip --- People who really want a question answered from me shouldn't refer to me as "Bobby.'' As per national championships, men's crew is not an officially sanctioned NCAA sport so those national titles are not included in "official'' tallies of national titles.
And I have never heard of a football player also doing crew. May have happened in the pre mid-90s, when I started covering the team, but pretty sure it hasn't happened since then. That would be a tough thing to do since both are virtually year-round sports, as are almost all sports these days.
Posted by UW Alum
8:32 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Onewoodwacker, here's my answer to your question: Hugh Millen (assuming we can't lure Jim Mora Jr. from the Hawks)
Posted by Gabe
9:35 AM, Jun 05, 2008
We're paying TW too much to do what he does, good or bad. (Point holds for UW administrators/bureaucrats as well.). Let's face it, TW is paid to teach kids how to play a game. He's not curing cancer. I think we should look at brilliant high school coaches who will bring some enthusiasm to the bedraggled fan base and work for a third of TW's salary, at least at the start. Of course, this is continingent on Willingham's departure, which we hope doesn't occur because it implies another losing season.
I'm one who's coming around more to Mello's point of view (minus the emotionalism) because I just don't think TW is earning 1.5 million in public money for the returns he produces. I am open to changing my mind based on next year's results. I increaingly question whether TW is better suited than a great high school coach to achieve the ultimate goal, which is that Troy Must Be Destoyed.
Posted by sox
9:39 AM, Jun 05, 2008
TW is still getting a paycheck from ND and is also being paid well to do what he was hired to do and UW which is clean up the mess that was Babs and Rick. He will be fine. Now it's time to hire a coach to whose job is to win football games.
Posted by Reality Check
9:53 AM, Jun 05, 2008
OneWoodWacker --
I'm not sure if I'm reading your post correctly, but I don't necessarily have a problem hiring a person with UW ties from the '92 - '01 era. Sure, there some bad apples, but the vast majority of folks associated with the program were good people. So, I certainly wouldn't disqualify everyone from that era.
But more vexing is the concern over Emmert demanding "win or you're fired." I absolutely support this attitude. The other stuff (running a clean program, sticking to the rules, etc.) should be assumed as a baseline requirement. But at the end of the day, the head football coach at UW (getting paid 1 1/2 million bucks a year) is measured on winning football games. And lots of 'em. Anyway, I support Emmert's very high bar on this front. Or, on the flip side, I would be very concerned if Emmert did NOT demand our football coach win a lot of football games!
Finally, any candidate who would be scared off because they are concerned about performing isn't a candidate I even want to consider. Our next AD should have that same expectation of winning lots of games.
Posted by Reality Check
9:57 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Kind of lost my focus and went off the tracks from AD to focusing on the football coach position specifically. But my point remains. I want Emmert to be demanding his AD and all of his coaches have a focus on winning. Period.
Posted by Art
9:58 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Bob,
Do you have subscription access to RealDawg, Dawgman and/or HuskyDigest?
Posted by Finn Hill Dawg
10:39 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Tyrone can't even destroy the Beaver Lodge in Corvallis, much less Troy.
Nebdawg, I don't think Tyrone is a fraud for playing golf. I think he is a fraud for getting paid over $400,000 for each victory he produces.
I think he is a fraud for preaching "consistency", "getting over the hump", "championship football" and "earning your 5th year" when he has never been consistent, gotten over the hump, or produced championship caliber football. And we all know he has done nothing to earn a 5th year.
So when he preaches these things to the players, they know that he has no credibility and they don't buy into what he is teaching.
Now that is great that he is involved in these charity things. But instead of spending a week golfing in North Carolina, he could just send them a fat check.
That way he could:
1) go on the coaches tour to promote the program
2) recruit some bullets for his gun
3) watch video of upcoming opponents
4) start formulating a game plan for Aug. 30 (has Tyrone ever made up a game plan?)
But instead he has more important things to do like play golf.
Posted by jh
11:16 AM, Jun 05, 2008
...even more surrealistic when you factor in the $2,000,000 Notre Dame gave him to leave South Bend...
...the guy might be a mediocre, charlatan coach...but he's a rich, mediocre, charlatan coach...
Posted by Reality Check
11:17 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Finn Hill Dawg --
You understimate Ty's abilities to put together a game plan. (Or at least for one half.) August 30th, we'll go out there and look great for 30 minutes of football. But then there's a little problem with this thing called the second half.
My solution to the football misery that is Ty-ball? Watch the first half and pretend the game ends there. Turn off the TV, grab a beer, and pretend the second half doesn't exist!
Or, if you're a glutton for punishment, you can watch the second half curled around a pillow rocking back and forth as we get run over by a team that knows how to play 2 halves of football.
Yeah, I'm getting my negative on for another year of Ty-ball. 3-9, here we come!
Posted by Formerly Guest
11:30 AM, Jun 05, 2008
Finn Hill Dawg,
What were your thoughts on the recent coaches tour, detailed on ESPN, of the middle East? Weis, Bowden, Richt and some IVy League guy visited some bases in the middle east and visited a couple USN ships, as a way to improve morale of the troops back there.
They could have just donated some money to a pro-troops charity, and spent that time wowing recruits, studying videotape, doing whatever.
Perhaps TW doesn't do any work for the UW. Perhaps he really is golfing 300 days/yr.
My guess is it is real helpful to the event to have a "big local name" come and schmooze at the tournament, and the veterans get a kick out of seeing him there. (Unless Mello is a vet whom attends).
Your criticisms of his coaching sure seem valid. We all hope he wins more games. Maybe he can work harder and golf recreationally less in order to satisfy you (and the rest of us) that he is dedicated to righting the ship.
But I think Nedbdawg is right, and it's not cool to ding him for making this pariticular trip.
Posted by Formerly Guest
11:33 AM, Jun 05, 2008
RC,
Your "1st half only" strategy will fail. We tried it on my high school team back in the day. Didn't work. I have the emotional scars to prove it.
Posted by jh
11:54 AM, Jun 05, 2008
..."One tip --- People who really want a question answered from me shouldn't refer to me as "Bobby.''... B.C.
...don't believe it...I call him Bobbi all the time and he responds to my personal e-mail...
...I would prefer getting letters from my "cousin" in Nigeria requesting another $1,000,000...
Posted by Finn Hill Dawg
12:09 PM, Jun 05, 2008
Former Guest, I didn't see the bit on ESPN, so I really can't comment. Sounds like a nice deal though.
However, how many of those coaches have ZERO verbal commitments for 2009 and a winning percentage of .3055 over the last three years?
Things like this just add to the perception that Tyrone is not doing everything possible to get this program righted.
Posted by Formerly Guest
12:16 PM, Jun 05, 2008
Finn Hill,
Good point. With no verbal committments and a low winning percentage, TW was not invited with the big names on this tour obviously.
I guess my point, and perhaps Nebdawg's, is that his presence at the tournament helps people more than just donating. He is out helping people.
It's cool, I understand. He should not play golf for a chartiy for our service people until he gets some committments and gets his winning percentage over 0.500. That's what your're saying. Ok.
I disagree. I'll let it go.
Posted by Rebel Dawg
12:20 PM, Jun 05, 2008
I don't think Tye's golfing is a problem. It only cost us Steve Schilling and who knows how many other recruits. Go get em Tye! Reach that Par 5 in two!
Posted by jh
12:36 PM, Jun 05, 2008
...head coaches are invited to charity golf tournaments because the organizers believe that the coaches' fame will swell the crowd...how many people do you think showed up for willingham?...
Posted by Guy
12:56 PM, Jun 05, 2008
...And food buffets were invented for people like Charlie Weiss....how many has he visited?...
Posted by Nebdawg
1:02 PM, Jun 05, 2008
jh, partially true that big names bring in people to an event. In TW's case, being it is his hometown, the answer probably is that he brought in as many as most of the celebs in the field. There is really no way either of can know for sure, so silly to speculate. Also, it's a national stage, and it can't hurt recruiting to have UW's presence. Not that an ND fan like you cares. Another way a celeb brings in money is people pay to play with him. a 4some payed $7500 to play with TW. That might not be that much to skeptics like Finn and jh, but for some marine that lost a limb fighting for his country, I'm sure it was very much appreciated.
Posted by Tarn
1:25 PM, Jun 05, 2008
How can you be working on game plans at this time of the year when you don't even know the make up of your own squad much less your opponent's. This is the time of year you relax and take the time for charities and your family so you can give 110% when the time comes which is when you know your opponent's weakness and you can built a scheme to exploit it. I have no problem with Ty's salaries from the U and from ND...I do know people at Stanford wish they had him back there. Funny how things go in full circle. I wonder if he'll end up back at the farm?
I can't wait for the ND game. Talk about a coach that is overpaid. Too bad Weiss didn't end up in the Pac-10.
If you think we have doubts can you imagine being a Cougar fan this fall or a Bear fan at the end of their season, or how about the roller coaster ride the Bruin fans will have this year with Ricky at the helm? "Which team will show up this Saturday?" will be their motto. I'm just waiting for 4 or 5 of Erickson's squad to be in jail before the end of the summer. Great coach but a horrible mentor. If I was a Trojan fan I would question way Pete can't win a national title after "reloading" each year. What is missing in Troy? Oh, yeah, a team that is unified. It must be very interest dynamics in that locker room with all those egos and no one knows the meaning of "blue collar".
Relax...Ty's on vacation. He's with his family and spending his time doing things he can't do much of the year and all the while there are X's and O's drifting in and out of his thoughts and visualizing game situations and problem solving them.
I look forward to this fall's Husky schedule and the new additions to the staff and may God help us avoid injuries this fall. Jake 2.0 will surprise many
(and thanks for getting this far in my summation).
Posted by Salem
1:30 PM, Jun 05, 2008
Sounds like somebody let oebabyblue out of his cage.
Posted by Bob Condotta
1:56 PM, Jun 05, 2008
Art --- Two of the three.
Posted by jh
2:53 PM, Jun 05, 2008
...I get it...if I question why a coach of willingham's stature was invited to a golf tournament,,,I'm against the troops...just like if I question why a coach of willingham's stature is coaching a Division 1 football team...I'm against the players...hmmmm...
Posted by jh
2:58 PM, Jun 05, 2008
..."I do know people at Stanford wish they had him back there"...
...yea...so they kick the sh*t out of him for screwing their program up for the last six-years...
Posted by onewoodwacker
3:42 PM, Jun 05, 2008
Reality Check - I'm not saying we shouldn't get an AD who is concerned about winning. Of course the person should want to win.
My question was geared more to the reasons NOBODY seems to want this job. The question and possible answer I posed was Mark Emmert going public with his comments and his "hands on" approach to the football program.
We can't deny the fact that no one is lining up for the job and this (the UW) is a damn good job.
WHY doesn't anyone want it - WHAT information are we not getting. Any rumblings from LSU?
UW Alum - I like the Hugh Millen idea alot - good choice!
Posted by BoiseTruth
3:51 PM, Jun 05, 2008
Have to agree with Nebdawg, and FG, on the golf thing. Both said it very well. Everybody deserves a vacation, and if TW wants to go home, play golf, and benefit a good cause on his vacation - great.
Posted by jh
4:07 PM, Jun 05, 2008
...I can't imagine why no one would want the UW AD job...can you?...
Posted by Formerly Guest
4:30 PM, Jun 05, 2008
JH,
Maybe all the golfing controversy.
Posted by MelloDawg
5:29 PM, Jun 05, 2008
No, I think people are missing my point. I'm not saying that people have stopped discussing Ty altogether, it's that the tone of the blog has changed.
After the season and for a couple months more, people were praising Ty all the time, making excuses for him, but now those people are in the minority. I used to be the only one. There seems to be more realism with his acumen as a football coach.
Posted by John
6:20 PM, Jun 05, 2008
You were never the only one.
Posted by jh
7:57 PM, Jun 05, 2008
...I don't say that he shouldn't be playing golf...I just can't understand why someone would invite a career .500 coach and a UW .300 coach...is it a pity party?...
Posted by BigDog
8:16 PM, Jun 05, 2008
I do have a problem with TW not on the coaches tour... either the tour should have been scheduled when he was available or he should be there. He's the one making the big bucks. Are people going to write a check because they saw Tia Jackson? Get real. This tour is supposed to be about rallying the fans and the fans writing checks, either now or in the near future. Nothing wrong with him golfing for a good cause but the timing is the issue.
Posted by naterob4
9:52 PM, Jun 05, 2008
Aren't you supposed to wait till you win a National Championship or at least a Pac-10 title before you go on the Banquet Circuit? I mean really how mcuh golf is TY gonna play this offseason? He was just in Dallas two weeks ago playing golf. He'll probably head right from NC to go shoot another Digornio commercial. I couldn't agree with Bigdog anymore, I mean if your the face of the University and all the major sport coaches are on a tour don't you think you should be there too?? I mean you think Pete Carroll's gonna miss out on a chance for some big time alumn to write a check. And people wonder why the Tyee club wants Willingham canned!!!
Willinghams offseason..Golf, more golf, oh yeah I forgot he signed some 9th grader from his son's school(Skyline)
Bob...Frank Hughes was replacing Elise last night on kjr and he said that Ed Donatell is rumored to rejoin Mora next year with the Hawks, are you hearing any of these rumors?
Jun 5, 08 - 08:44 PM
Locker's Heisman odds down to 50-1
Jun 5, 08 - 04:26 PM
Answers, volume seven
Jun 5, 08 - 01:34 PM
What a great grouping this would be
Jun 5, 08 - 09:49 AM
Maybe UW will find an AD here
Jun 4, 08 - 09:03 PM
Interesting look at Pac-10 coaching salaries

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Posted by Tarn
9:19 PM, Jun 04, 2008
Tedford hasn't delivered in the past and won't this fall...late season lack of unity kills them. He'll replace Ty on the hot seat after this season.