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January 27, 2008 12:23 PM

On today's story

Posted by Bob Condotta

I see a number of you have already used this space to comment on The Times' investigative series that began today and will run through Wednesday.

And as is to be expected, the comments are passionate and running the gamut of emotions.

Feel free to use this space to express those emotions, and ask questions, and I will do what I can to address your concerns. The editors of the series are also reading comments e-mailed at victoryandruins@seattletimes.com.

The series, as noted in the credits, is a Seattle Times special report produced by our investigative team. It runs for four days and like watching a mini-series or something, is best viewed in its entirety. So while I welcome all comments here, I also encourage you to take it all in before casting final judgment.

A couple of the main questions I have seen in your comments concern its timing and whether this is being done simply to put UW in a bad light.

As for the timing, it was not aimed at the recruiting season. The timing coincides with the conclusion of the recent season, the departure of Todd Turner and the debate surrounding the future of Tyrone Willingham.

As for this showing an anti-UW bias, the newspaper has no ax to grind with UW. Many key people at the Times graduated from UW and have great affection for the school. But it is a key institution in this state and in our region, and we have committed significant resources to covering the school through the years. But as with any key institution, the paper feels it is important to shine a light on all aspects of it.

As for why we are writing now about events that happened eight years ago, the Times felt it was important to share these previously undisclosed details involving the 2000 team because the UW athletic program is at a crossroads: Its athletic director just left, its coach is under fire and the team is being challenged to become a winner while retaining its integrity. The feeling was that maybe a better understanding of what happened then will also lead to a better understanding of the challenges being faced by those trying to rebuild it now.


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Posted by Chester

12:29 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Thanks Bob.

Posted by Wilson

12:33 PM, Jan 27, 2008

The problem with the article is that it is badly written - or more likely badly edited. It would have made sense if the punch line was about Ty refusing to put up with the kind of crap that has been tolerated in the past, and citing some examples. But the only allusion to that was this one sentence: "A check of court documents shows the Huskies are clearly in less trouble off the field." That's it. That is why the story is so gratuitous.

Posted by ummmm

12:42 PM, Jan 27, 2008

BS Bob.

"As for this showing an anti-UW bias, the newspaper has no ax to grind with UW. Many key people at the Times graduated from UW and have great affection for the school. But it is a key institution in this state and in our region, and we have committed significant resources to covering the school through the years. But as with any key institution, the paper feels it is important to shine a light on all aspects of it."

If this is the Times basis for the story, then why is there NEVER a investigative report concerning Washington State University and it's Football Program. Remember, they had 3, 10 win seasons in a row and if you and your BS staff will PLEASE remember.....HOW MANY RUN IN's WITH THE LAW DID KIDS ON THOSE TEAMS HAVE? Do the math. I bet it's a lot more than what you're reporting concerning the "out of control" UW of 8/mind you (8!) years ago!

And why should I wait for the ending? When will the Times or any other Seattle Media for that matter support the program instead of constantly trying to tear it apart? Again, do the math. Why don't you and your staff count over the past 8 years the positive op-ed articles over the past 18 years in comparison to the negative....probably double negative over positive. Not because negative outwieghs the positive, but because the Seattle Media (Seattle Times/PI) have FOCUSED on the negative much more than the positive.

Posted by NorCalDawgFan

12:42 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Great, Bob, a mini-series. Ken Anderson, a prize winning journalist for doing investigative reporting of legal issues decides to write about the legal problems of Jerramy Stevens. Those problems started many years ago and continue today and are not related to Husky football. Yet he headlines the story as the behind the scenes of the Rose Bowl team. Hopefully, the last part of the series will have a complete biography of the writers and their intentions for writing an ill-timed unnecessary article. The challenges of the current program are well known. This old news brings no relevance to the current challenges.

Posted by JohnQ

12:45 PM, Jan 27, 2008

What was previously undisclosed in that story? All those details about the rape incident and that poor girl? That Stevens stole her underpants? That's great, just what your readers needed to know and the victim needed to relive. Sensationalism pure and simple. Whatever is really behind running this story now you should all be ashamed.

If this was about TT and the great work he did to clean up the program then why not run it a month ago when he left. If it's to show all the TW haters how far we've come then why not run it a month ago when the heat was really on. If it's about the KC prosecutor's office being complicit why not run it before the election? Satterberg was knee deep in this story.

Why now?

Posted by Matt Norling

12:49 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob, to say that the Times is not doing this to throw mud at the UW is, of course, simply naive. That's what the times does, yourself excluded. Remember the Don James hit job?

As far as the quality of this "investigation," it is crap. Poorly written, poorly "investigated." There is nothing in today's article that isn't already common knowledge... and old news.

Since this is clearly "old news," there can be no reason for it other than to throw mud at the UW and its fans, who are apparently assumed to be stupid and/or complicit.

Bob, I enjoy your coverage and blogs on both football and basketball; however, it's going to be hard to read anything from this paper for awhile, I'm afraid.

Posted by PssdOff

12:54 PM, Jan 27, 2008

f'n ridiculous. i can't stand seattle journalists. way to go fellas. way to make the university in this city just look special.

Posted by Pleasanton

12:57 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob- I'm not buying what your selling.

A lot of readers are smarter than that...even those that hate the UW. And those that hate the UW are eating up the story and loving every bit of the rehashed crap.

God forbid, WSU, Oregon, USC etc. was put under the Times' microscope...there would be hell to pay!

Why does the Seattle print media hate UW athletics? I

'll never buy the Times again!

Posted by bleedin' purple

1:03 PM, Jan 27, 2008

PssdOff -- I must have missed the part where it was the Seattle Times' job to make the University of Washington "look special". I guess I forgot that they were supposed to be the PR firm for a state-run university.... oh, wait.

Look, I'm as much of a Dawg fan on here as anyone else, but I'm also willing to read the remainder of this set of stories before I make a judgement about it. All of you keep pointing out all of the things they could or should have included, but how do you know that those items aren't included in the later parts of their article? You comment based on the idea that this entire series will be about Jerramy Stevens. It may be (and if it is that's just sad), but I can't say that right now any more than any of the rest of you can. Bob said it well that this is a series and is best viewed as a whole.

That said, I'll see you to complain about the series in 3 more days... or not.

Posted by what the???

1:04 PM, Jan 27, 2008

What a rag. Real positive. What's tommorrow, a feature on Bat-boy? Of course, that's old news too. This is why I stick with the P-I.

Posted by Pleasanton

1:10 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Can we get a bio on every person connected to this project? At least, how 'bout the name of the school where they received their undergrad degree...
Come on, throw a dog a bone!

Also, how 'bout the same info for the journalists of your competitors ? ... Thiel etc.

Is this asking too much? Always curious where people are coming from.

Posted by betadawg

1:13 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Up until now I have given the Times the benefit of the doubt that its reporting and editorial resources operate within the guidelines of professional and journalistic integrity.

I find it too coincidental that this "mini-series," comes out right after the funding initiative was launched. Was it really eight years in the making? Did everything just kind of come together now and it was so compelling?

As for UW AD being at a cross-roads Bob, I disagree. The real cross-roads was four years ago when the UW was reeling internally. That would have been the right time for this story - to show how far there is to go.

Today's story/history is a joke. There is no mention about the positives happening within the AD and football program. The real story here is how far the football program has come in terms of eliminating these kinds of players and incidents. Open your eyes and take a look at what is happeing. Good athletes with good grades that are good people are coming here.

Don't get me wrong, as an alumnus, I was cheering louder than anyone for that Rose Bowl team. I was, however, disgusted with some of the behaviour and problems that were on that team. But I learned about those issues SEVEN years ago along with everyone else. Also, it might be worth mentioning that the single biggest reason that team was as great as it was was due to a great athlete and character guy - Tui. That guy was flat out amazing in all regards.

Bob, the Times is missing the real story and to report the past and allow it to infer that it is the present is absolutley irresponsible and unfair the current AD staff and student athletes. If this is a way to sell some papers then I guess we are complicit. Believe me, if this kind of crap keeps up, I will end my complicity in this matter.

Is everybody just missing what is happening on Montlake? Yes, I know the wins aren't there yet but something special is happening. Go on the blogs in Cali and they talk more favorably about our program and our coach than our own media and fans.

I'm tired of walking out of the stadium with my heart broken but at the same time I am excited about what I see happening.

Go Dawgs!

Posted by DawgFanMike

1:17 PM, Jan 27, 2008

This is pure and simple timed to coincide with the approach of signing day.

Bob, please tell me, which of your football/sports reporters went to WSU and which went to the UW?

Posted by ibleedpurple

1:22 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Dawg fans, call the editor and let that idiot know how you feel. :)

James Neff (206) 464-2285

Posted by huskiesjv

1:26 PM, Jan 27, 2008

You all are being rediculous. The story is fine. If anything it shows how great Ty is doing with cleaning up the program. All you Typologists think everyone is against you.

Posted by seaRick

1:26 PM, Jan 27, 2008

A guy like Stevens should still be locked up in jail for what he did. I'm an avid Dawg fan myself, but trust me - how the hell would you other guys out there like it if that were your daughter that got raped which is exactly what happened? I just don't know why the hell he wasn't prosecuted though.

But there is plenty of blame to go around on this kind of stuff going on.....Hedges, Neuweisel, UW President, even parts of the law enforcement.

And believe me, I know this stuff happens at other schools too. BUT IT SHOULDN'T. I know we all make mistakes, but raping a girl isn't one of them. And Stevens has done numerous things over the years - it's called a track record of irresponsible behavior and he should be held accountable for it just like you and I would if we ever did anything that stupid and immature. Guys like that think they're above the law and society. Throw away the key NOW.

The one thing that sort of puzzled me was that this stuff was in the news years ago when it happened so I don't know why it was brought up again.

Posted by ranger

1:26 PM, Jan 27, 2008

One thing that jumps out at me from the story was this statement in the early paragraphs:

"An unprecedented look behind the scenes — based largely on documents unavailable at the time — reveals a disturbing level of criminal conduct and hooliganism by the players on that team."

However, the article never explains what those documents were, what they contained, how they were obtained, and why they were unavailable previously.

There have claims that this article appears not to have new information. If the authors feel it does, then I think an explanation to the above is warranted.

Posted by

1:29 PM, Jan 27, 2008

How could it ever be too late, or poor timing to conduct a story about someone getting off scott-free for rape?!?!?.

Maybe this story and the intregity it demands of today's UW coaches and administrators to make tough calls on its players will prevent the next "jeremy stevens" from feeling enabled enough to do something like this.

Posted by gersub

1:29 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I, for one, think this is a fascinating opening to the series. Maybe some of it is old news to some, but it's still valuable for putting some perspective on the present.

That was apparently a very sleazy era for UW football and obviously none of us likes to see the University represented in that light. Kind of underscores the rebuilding job that the current administration has been tasked with: the so-called "culture change" is critical, indeed.

I certainly don't read this as anti-UW, either. Investigative reporting is just in-depth fact-digging; I certainly don't have time to make public record requests but I benefit from the information.

Finally, as to why a report like this wasn't run on WSU's program: well, this is a Seattle paper, isn't it? If I wanted to know what's happening in Pullman -- which I don't -- I'd read whatever rag covers that part of the world.

Posted by screwjob

1:34 PM, Jan 27, 2008

All i know is that Bob's job gets a little tougher everyday as the Times continues to make enemies at the UW.

You should all be ashamed ... cant wait to see what you do to CW in a few days.

Posted by Tdawg

1:49 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Your update only confirms what many fans think is true, Frank B. should take down his cougar flag on his dock and cool it on the UW.

This is a plan just to shut down the stadium funding. Same old, same old Times.

Posted by Pygmalion

1:51 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I don't buy the "The Seattle Times is trying to bring down UW!" line. Neither do I think that the Seattle Times is above reproach.

The Times, like most media entities, is only interested in what makes the best "story". It isn't particularly interested in anything else; it certainly isn't interested in the welfare of anyone or anything it reports on, even if individual reporters are.

Just consider how the media treats people such as Britney Spears or Bill Clinton or anyone else. The only thing that the media are interested in is what will make the best story; if it is positive, then they will go with that, but if it is negative, then that is what they'll go with. In general, the media do not care about the welfare of these people, or treating them with any respect whatsoever.

This applies in the same way to the UW. Of course the timing matters: The timing of this story HAD to be such as would make it RELEVANT. This means that it HAD to be before signing day. The Times doesn't care whether it is good or bad for the University. The only thing it cares about is its story. And if this means that it must run at a time when it will be bad for the UW - the Times doesn't care.

That said: The article was a dreadful bore. It is not a STORY. I didn't learn anything substantially new, as - despite promises to the contrary - everything really was old hat. Whoever approved this article should be reprimanded for exercising such lousy judgment about what counts as a story. What's next: Will the LA Times run a feature on the O.J. Simpson murders? And all the new details? How exciting!

Posted by tucannonriv

1:53 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob - your defense of this "project" is bs. These guys are hacks. Once again the Times' anti-UW bias speaks loudly. Congratulations keeping your name off the contributors list, too bad you felt the need to defend this piece.

Rumor has it your rag will be stomping on Curtis Williams' grave in an upcoming chapter. Sad.

Posted by dawgfan84

1:57 PM, Jan 27, 2008

This is (another) a hit piece, plain and simple, about eight year old events, one week from letter of intent day. Is that the best the Times can do, use eight year old stuff to attack the UW. By with friends like you guys, who needs teh NCAA and PAC 10. All your justifications in the world won't fix it.

Posted by Al T

2:09 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I don't buy it - not with the earlier similar re-hash piece on the emails. Two stories with little 'deadline' pressure, no relevance to any new events, and both negative takes on UW. I could see if it was sandwiched with an article stating how great and amazing it is that UW has gathered the current recruiting class - but it has not. Patterns speak louder than explanation. Two 'investigative' reports that paint a negative light on UW football in the last few weeks... a pattern.

Going to the PI

Posted by onewoodwacker

2:10 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Why did'nt the Times "share these previously undisclosed details involving the 2000 team" in 2000?

There are only two possible explainations:

1. You're telling us that the Times kept detailed information from us relative to a story

2. Or the Times didn't find out this information until recently and decided to drag everyone involved through the mud again.

Which one was it? Does anyone at the Seattle Times have the b---s to answer?

I want to hear what Korin Robinson REALLY did next week OK? This is a story I'm sure I'll never find in the T.N.T. or P.I.- I'm counting on the Seattle Times' "Good 'Ole Boys" club to bring me the story I never heard!!

Posted by fed up

2:10 PM, Jan 27, 2008

This series is way out of line. The Seattle Times sports section is run by a bunch of hacks who have a chip on their shoulder. The UW has obviously moved on from past transgressions and the timing of the article is just outrageous.

--A lifelong Times subscriber who has just canceled his subscription.

Posted by Al T

2:12 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Btw see the story on Dawgman about the hard off-season work that Locker and Leonard (not even in school yet) are doing to get ready for the season. Oh, I forget that's a positive story about a group doing something current at UW....nevermind.

Posted by Godawgs

2:17 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I can’t find a logical reason you would post this story now. I guess if you are trying to be Nostradamus and predict the out come of rick at UCLA then great send it to the L.A times. You are trying to come across as if you are doing a public service. If you wanted to bring the fan closer to the UW why don’t you try and get an interview with some of the recruits and maybe Jake on the recruits. Wait that would only help the program build back the fan base

Posted by onewoodwacker

2:21 PM, Jan 27, 2008

My Fellow Husky Nation:

This is my last visit to this blog. I support a different kind of "positive approach" to the University I love so much.

I will look for a new blog to talk about my Huskies, as I can not, in good conscience, support any part of the Seattle Times again. Best Wishes to all. Onewood

Posted by Stormynight

2:25 PM, Jan 27, 2008

So much of the stuff in the first articles are things that were reported before over the years, if not by the Times, by the Post-Intelligencer. There may be tantalizing 'previously unreported bits' but they are hard to find in what looks like a rewrite of old clips. Looks like the new guys at the Times think they have stumbled onto a story. Hard to see where the story is advanced.

Posted by Fred

2:26 PM, Jan 27, 2008

To all of you who are saying that this report reveals no new information I have a question:

Was the fact that Stevens' semen was found in the Victim's rectum previously reported?

If it had been, I missed it.

Further, this fact reveals much about the Uuniversity's unwillingness to punish Stevens.

Posted by Ballard Bob

2:27 PM, Jan 27, 2008

This is disgusting. Why does the Times continue to drag the UW in the mud? I just don't understand this. This is a blatant attempt to undermine our recruiting effort.

Posted by crazyitalian

2:28 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob,

I am sorry. I ususally respect what you have to say, but your party line is wrong. There was no rush to get out 8 year old information the required this to post just before LOI day. It can only mean what I have heard for years, the Times does have an ant-UW bias. Even my Coug friends think so. They get nice write-up when they play at Qwest but you guys can't do anything nice for the UW. How about a 4 part series about how Ty has made a difference in the quality and character of the student athlete?

Frankly there needs to be a review of this piece when done to see if there is anything credible that needed to be dug-up from the grave that your crack investigative team found.

I don't expect the Times to not report major issues but trying to at a minimum be unbiased would be nice. There is no way on Gods Green earth that it was not mentioned in planning for this article the LOI day was approching.

Very disappointing...a Jeremy Stevens story???

Go drag up some dirt on Gil Dobie or Jim Owens.
No wonder the Paper is dieing.

Posted by HUSKY PRIDE

2:30 PM, Jan 27, 2008

MAN, THAT'S GOTTA STING!!!!!

PERHAPS YOU SHOULD FINGERPRINT AND MUG SHOT ALL YOUR FOOTBALL RECRUITS RIGHT OFF THE BAT TO SAVE TIME LATER!!!!!

Things that are done in the dark will come to light. Good job by the UW covering all this up for years...sorry the truth has finally come out regarding your football program full of felons and rapists. Is some of the shine coming off that Rose Bowl trophy? Sounds like the worst cast of characters since "The Longest Yard". Maybe the State of Washington should forgo spending millions of dollars on a new UW Football stadium and spend the money building a new prison to house all the vermin you have released into our community.

Posted by marysvillemark

2:31 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I have no problem with the timing of this story. It is a great time to look back a see this program for what it really was.
I for one can remember hoping that nothing came of the allegations. I can now see how even I might have compromised my values as a overzealous fan.
What a horrible thing for the young women, her, family, to have to go through. Not the incident as much as the institutional denial.
I suspect that this story is not news to the parents of some of the recruits that passed on Washington. The rest of the story makes it easier to understand why the Stewart and Mays families chose other programs with their sons.
The good news is that these problems simply do not exist in the program at present. The recruits are back. Families are trust the current coach with there sons. We can be fans of the current program without reservations.
FIRST RIGHT THEN MIGHT

Posted by uwdawgs

2:35 PM, Jan 27, 2008

why can't you do a four day front page story on all the good the student athletes do, visiting childrens hospital, the lucky dawg, volunteering at union gospel mission, varius team bible studies. Instead a few bad apples get all the pub. Does this make you guys feel better? why the fixation on jerramy stevens? bill clinton was accused of rape too, but we don't see it re-hashed in the paper every year.

Posted by NorCalDawgFan

2:37 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Pygmalion, good points. Certainly, the Seattle Times wants to capitalize on "sensational" journalism by it's "investigative" reporters. While the Seattle Times may or may not wish to destroy the Husky stadium project, ruin Husky recruiting, etc. it goes about it's businesses by printing stories written by those who appear to have the intent of these things happening.

So, is part 2 a story about Warren Moon's DUI's? He was a Husky 30 years ago.

Posted by Everett fan

2:39 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Well, that's just wonderful - we have three more days of slop jobs coming up. Bob, I know they sisgn your paycheck, and you have to be 'nice,' but most of us aren't interested. Once you open Pandora's box, I wouldn't wait around for three more.

Posted by NorCalDawgFan

2:44 PM, Jan 27, 2008

As I see the news of rain and mud slides in Malibu, I hope that a great Husky, Malibu is o.k.

Posted by art

2:46 PM, Jan 27, 2008

This is just plain dispicable journalism. Timing
content, goals, news, all have been violated.
Does the Times hate the Husky program that much or
is a liberal leaning press out to change the
flavor of football at big time colleges. I want
good things, I want a clean program and I want
news media to be accountable to everybody for there stupid moronic attics.

Posted by uwdawgs

2:47 PM, Jan 27, 2008

bob
i strongly urge you guys to reconsider running the story on Curtis Williams later this week. The man is dead. By his own admission he made some mistakes in his life, and by his own admission he was not ready to meet face to face w/ God on the day he was injured. He was extremely thankful that he had a chance to seek forgiveness, and change his life, and his heart before he died. Please don't do this to his family. Who benifits from you guys kicking a man in his grave, please pull this story.

Posted by Hot Diggity Dawg

2:48 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Have no fear Huskies. I am sure that the news that raping and beating female students is accepted at UW will only solidify the decision of the types of kids you are currently recruiting. Probably another Rose Bowl on the horizon.

Posted by Duh!

2:54 PM, Jan 27, 2008

And yet all you Huskies could simpy stop posting here and show your disgust but you are too stupid to see it. Sure some of you will pretend to protest like Onewood, but he is probably reading this post under some new screen name. Bottom line, you all care more about finding out from Bob who the next great recruit is more than you care about the integrity of your program. Which is why you are in all this trouble in the first place. Look in the mirror you hypocrties!!!! If you had the courage of your convictions, you would all refuse to ever come to this site again. But you won't, because you are all Huskies and Huskies are all morons.

Posted by 206dogg

3:04 PM, Jan 27, 2008

While one can question the timing, I wouldn't say it is about the Seattle Times trying to sink the UW. Think about it, the more the Times pisses of the UW, the more they severe the relationship with one of the major headline makers for the Times. It wouldn't make business sense.

Thi is a 4 part series. I read this first part as a background update or pure informational. It is about pointing out the history (highlighting one individual specifically). I would hope that efforts are also shown on how the UW is trying to turn the corner of this negative image and what guidelines the UW is using to make change. I trust the Times has the integrity for this. But until the series is done, we can't make judgement.

Posted by Shameless

3:06 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob,

After your attempt to justify this rehashed garbage(seattle times journalism), you are not precieved in any better light than nicky and kenny.

I hope the Seattle Times goes bankrupt. May a unbiased/fair institution take its place.

Shameless

Posted by Blue

3:11 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"New information on past atrocities is always relevant. The Viet Nam War, the Holocaust, the JFK assassination...the Husky football program. The people have to know the truth. Your players are drugging and anally raping virgins for crying out loud. How can you be so calloused that this is seen as unnecessary information. Especially when the local tax payers are being asked to finance the colliseum for these amoral gladiators to glorify themselves in."

That post ^ pretty much represents what Husky fans fear this article will cause: irrational bashing of the CURRENT Husky program for bad things done many years ago that are no longer relevant to the program. Different players, coaches, ADs and Presidents. Where's the connection to the 2000 team? Randy Hart? I mean...

"Your players are drugging and anally raping virgins for crying out loud."

Nice. That sums it up, does it? The "players" are doing this. That's like accusing the 2016 Atlanta Falcons of animal cruelty because one player did it nearly a decade ago. Ridiculous.

"Especially when the local tax payers are being asked to finance the colliseum for these amoral gladiators to glorify themselves in."

Again... what a shameless accusation of the current players who currently need a current and safe stadium. That's in bad taste, friend. THIS is why this article is damaging, because it'll be warped and twisted to cast a negative light on undeserving players and coaches. It's punishing new guys for the mistakes of men they'll never meet. Frankly, Dawg Daze, I'm not so sure you should be judging morals after a misleading and slimy post like that.

Posted by MelloDawg

3:12 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Article matters aside....

I forgot that under Tyrone Willingham's watch, none of our players have gotten arrested and then played.

Oops! Jordan Murchison beat the crap out of a guy and played. Matt Houston stole a taxi cab and wasn't played only because he left the team.

Yes, yes, the character has drastically improved.

Posted by LR

3:12 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I agree with Wilson in the second post. This article is a bit shallow and fails the "So What?" test. Most Husky fans and alumns know about all of this, and the rest was printed years ago. I know this is a slow news week, but really? This is a rehash of facts.

I would really hope that that parts two, three and four aren't an overview of prior legal troubles, the change in administration and how rosy (no pun intended) things are today. Oh, and gotta throw in a bit about the stadium with drawings too.

If this is how far investigative journalism has fallen, then the internet will win.

Posted by Tommy

3:19 PM, Jan 27, 2008

The Tacoma News Tribune is actually a good paper.

Posted by mpm

3:21 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I can't believe the responses on this blog.

Instead of talking about the facts in the article and how it affects our expectations as fans and the decisions we want from our program (is winning *really* the only thing that matters?), everyone is just upset about the Time "dragging UW through the mud."

Unless someone can dispute the facts presented in the article, it's mud of UW's own making.

I know this blog is full of conspiracy theorists (e.g., UW will fire TY and hire Mora right after LOI Day!!!), but looking to blame "anti-UW" journalists for this article is pretty pathetic.

As everyone knows TW will be on one of the hottest coaching seats in the country next year. Knowing *all* the facts about the latest successful Husky period *is* relevant to determining how important winning should be relative to the integrity of the program in deciding its future.

Posted by d975

3:22 PM, Jan 27, 2008

As a husky fan, this story hurts. However, I think it needs to be told, no matter how much it hurts. If nothing else, it will only help to prevent it from happening again, because someday my children may go to UW.

What hurts the most is not four straight losing seasons. Its not a tainted rose bowl championship. The thing that hurts the most is that Neuheisel was able to steal $3M from the university for firing him after this crap! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best case scenario: Jerramy Stevens washes out at Tampa Bay. Neuheisel hires him as an assistant coach. Stevens runs over Neuheisel in the rose bowl parking lot.

Posted by Joe_L

3:22 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"...because you are all Huskies and Huskies are all morons."

LOL! Common now, get a grip. Sheeze.

Why have most of the good sports writers in Seattle retired?

Posted by cosmodave

3:23 PM, Jan 27, 2008

the times is reporting facts, whether you like them or not.

the people who think that the times has a vendetta aginst the university are idiots. newspapers dont have vendettas anymore- they cant afford them. they barely have the staff to cover the regular news.

by the way if you are looking for someone to blame why not the source ie: stevens, alexander, shyne, hedges, neuheisel, etc??

why blame a newspaper that is reporting facts?

Posted by Floridahusky

3:28 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Enjoy working at the Pullman Feed and Grain Review!

Seattle Times editor
Seattel Times Sports editor
And you Bob...when this biased liberal POS goes bye bye!

Posted by LR

3:29 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"Unless someone can dispute the facts presented in the article, it's mud of UW's own making." -TRUE

"the times is reporting facts, whether you like them or not." -TRUE

But, I'm just curious how is this news? There's nothing new here. It's all been printed before. Will tomorrow's story talk about Jerramy's other legal troubles and Rick's betting pool? If so, what the heck is the point?

Photo is nice, though.


Posted by Big Dawg

3:31 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"We are the same group that were looking the other way and donating our money when all this took place and most of us only cared that we were winning football games."

That is the most pertinent and intelligent remark that has been posted on this thread. We should all read it many times as we all have some blood on our hands.

To better days.

Posted by jh

3:31 PM, Jan 27, 2008

...BOB...the voice of reason...who'd have thunk it?...

Posted by Twin Cities Husky

3:32 PM, Jan 27, 2008

My sentiment reflects many of the posts here today. This is one of the better blog threads I have read thus far this year. However, in all fairness I do want to see how the next part(s) of the Times piece pans out.
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Bob, here is what I don’t get. First, you say that this article was brought to light because of the recent Todd Turner firing (or however you want to classify his departure), the criticism of TW and the win-at-all costs sentiment (among general fans and especially the Tyee Club).
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If that is the case then the story seems to imply that those people who are/were key contributors to the three aforementioned factors are the same people/groups that played a key role in the corruption that can be magnified by certain individuals from the 2000 season. Maybe the story is trying to say the sources contributing to the recent events, are the same sources that allowed the transgressions of 2000--and we should therefore beware. Fair enought--to an extent.
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However, are we supposed to drag the merits of the season into the mud? Are we supposed to neglect the on-the field contributions of 95% of the players? Is this piece about coaches, the administration and the KC Prosecutors’ office, or about the merits and accomplishment of the season? My biggest issue as that the very title of the article implies that because most of the behavior of the NON-playing participants I just mentioned, the 2000 record, season and bowl victory are tarnished. Hmmm, I think Curtis Williams is turning in his grave. Yea, and I’m sure the likes of Ben Mahdavi, Pat Conniff, Larry Tripplett, Chris Juergens & Maurice Shaw must have the same sentiments about having their hard work dragged into the same sentence of Jeremy Stevens.
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From that standpoint the article is clear in showing the University’s complicity during that time period. However, is any of this new information? Ummm, let’s see, all of Jeremy Stevens’ criminal and legal transgressions have been pretty well spelled out. Same with Rick Nehuisel, his dismissal and following lawsuit. Or even with the forced resignation of Barbara Hedges. The Prosecutor’s office? Not so much, but should this not be a story about their policies—not the 2000 season of the Washington Husky football team?
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It is horrible that the writers say that a number of the players had criminal records without providing limited insight on what those records are. I consider myself a good persons with good morals and ethics, but I have a criminal record; an open-container and littering ticket that I received when I was 22 and on-campus at the UW. Does this mean I am a “criminal”? Does this mean that myself and everyone around me is bad, and that everything we accomplished is tarnished and corrupt? The writers should have disclosed what they are talking about when they made such bold assertions.
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My point is that we all knew the state of the program just after 2000. The University wasn’t complicit when it, and the press found out about the malignancies; ala we hired a new Dean, ala new Athletic Director, ala new Football coach, ala a new football coach with a purpose to bring both good men and good athletes into school.
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My point is this: What is new here? Oh, that we find out more information about certain undisclosed details of the rape? The complicity of the Prosecutors office? The lax nature of the coaching staff that has since been fired or let go? Does this warrant a story about the football team, or the nature and policies of the King County Prosecutor’s office? Does this warrant a story about the football team, or Rick Nueheisal (its been written)? Does this warrant a story about the football team, or Jeremy Stevens (its been written)? Barbara Hedges (its been written)? Although all were obviously intertwined, those problems have since been handled, and I think were the result of persons with bad ideals being in the same spot at the same time.
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The details of the rape are atrocious and should be written about. However, should they be written about in context of the 2000 team and its 89 players? Again, the greatest issue I have is that this article seems to be about the 2000 team, and puts to question the merits of their season.
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Although I understand that the article is getting at the point that those who are behind the current anti-TW sentiment, the release of TT and the win at all costs sentiment are the same ones that fostered the previous behavior, my questions are:
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1) Has this not been covered before? 2) Is there any evidence that the UW has NOT changed? 3) Shouldn’t this be a piece about the policies of the KC Prosecutors office and the criminal justice system, and not the 2000 accomplishments? 4) Shouldn’t this be a story about where we have come in context of where we were, as compared to simply where we were in 2000? I hope the next parts shed light on this.
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I also want to say that there is a basic assumption that those who want TW out of here, just want to win-at-all costs. But, can't there be some people who don't like TW because they think there are better coaches with same or similar ideals? I am a TW supporter, but sometimes we assume that those who don't want TW want the next coming of Satan as long as it means wins. No, some, like Mello, want other coaches who they think are better, but have good human morals, ethics and ideals.

Posted by Steven

3:33 PM, Jan 27, 2008

The mud is not the issue. Why doesn't the Times want to put even a fraction of their "objective" effort into all the success stories out of UW football and there players. They far out weigh these old stories. I would love to see that. Not just on Jake or other stars, but on many, many others. A LOT of research went into this story. Hmmmm.

I don't believe many Husky fans want off the field issues to be excused or handled as some may have been. We just don't believe the Times would make the same effort to report all the untold GOOD stories.

Posted by Joe_L

3:33 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"why blame a newspaper that is reporting facts?"

Because, Dave --

There has been very little balance to how the UW football program has been reported. I would appreciate reading the positives as well as the negatives...and there have been positives.

Posted by Give me a break

3:38 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Give me a break Bob, this article does absolutely nothing but make the UW look like a institution without any control. Why this article was written 8 years after the event is just BS. Thanks Seattle Times for your blatant bashing of the UW again. The best part is, we have 3 more days of this.

One last thing... if the times is going to write an article bashing the program and detailing Jeremy Stevens and his criminal activity, try not using Tui in the front page photo. You guys paint the entire program as Thug U then slap Tui's face on it. He was never even mentioned.

Great reporting guys. Crack investigative work!

Subscription canceled.

Posted by One in a hundred?

3:42 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I do not understand why anyone would think that paper is bashing the current program. It is simply explaining in greater depth some of the problems of the Neuhiesol/Gilbterson era. It helps explain some firings and why there has been such difficulty recruiting.

Willingham must have known much of this when he took the job. I respect and thank the man for taking on a program as screwed up as this was. It appears to me that under Ty's leadership these problems no longer exist.

I suspect that many of the parents of the current players and commits take great comfort in the integrity of the current coaching staff, and athletic department.

In a few years I will help my daughter choose a college. We will make our choice based on the present situation not what happened eight years ago. I know as a father that I would feel much more comfortable sending my daughter to a school that hired Tye than a school that hired Nuehisal.

Posted by LR

3:43 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob didn't write this it was:

By Ken Armstrong and Nick Perry
Seattle Times staff reporters

(Paragraph 5)
An unprecedented look behind the scenes — based largely on documents unavailable at the time — reveals a disturbing level of criminal conduct and hooliganism by the players on that team.

Unprecedented? The next 3 graphs are documents that are completely available and have been reported before.

This is just not good journalism. In the long run, blogs like this will prevail over what used to be good newspaper work, and that's sad.


Posted by Twin Cities Husky

3:45 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Anyone notice the The Time has since copped out Tui on the Sports page link (but not the main page)?

Posted by sickening

3:48 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Miss Daisy, as Blethen is known around the Times, cares only for repeal of the death tax. Nothing else matters. Thus this rehash of old news. And Bob, I don't need the Times to give me a "better understanding" of anything. Report "news". I don't need a nanny. Self serving rationalization if I ever saw it.

Posted by max

3:48 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob,

I am currently a UW student and have never posted on this blog but I am an avid reader and today I feel ashamed to call myself a Husky. I feel disgusted at the proceedings that took place in 2000, NOT WHAT THE TIMES DID. They are a media outlet, they are not run by the UW. They have the right to publish articles that either promote the UW or show some of it's darker moments. Freedom of Speech and of the press, I believe is still a first amendment right, last time I checked. I'm not saying that this aritcle was not sleazy or tastleless, but only time will tell if this article was poor judgement on the Times part. One must wait for the rest of the articles to be released.

In regards to the poor timing of this article, I feel it came at the right time. The UW program is on the rise led by a coaching staff that believes in integrity. This is a turning point in the program and depending on how the investigative series ends this could be a timely article.

I was born a Husky and will forever be a husky, but that doesn't mean I cannot criticize the University or hold it accountable for it's actions. Just how I am proud to be an American but that doesn't stop me from criticizing the establishment.

Posted by RealDawg

3:50 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I'm sure that most white people wish slavery were never mentioned again. And Germans are probably tired of hearing about the Holocaust. And Americans probably don't want to talk much about dropping nuclear bombs on Japan or making war for profit with absolutely no military objective in Vietnam and Iraq. Bill Clinton probably grows weary of hearing about Monica. Why write Roots? Why film JFK, Platoon, or Schindler's List? Why build the Vietnam War Memorial? Why write this story? Because remembering the past is important if the goal is to not repeat it. The Times should be applauded by all UW fans for revisiting this story so we all remember. I for one think the best way we can show our disgust at these past atrocities would be to relinquish the Rose Bowl Trophy. If we are truly sorry, we would all support this act. Innocent people paid the price for it and it should stand as an embarrassment to all Huskies for all time until it is returned.

Posted by husky

3:56 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I am just really sad that soon enough, the times will have a piece on the delinquency of late Curtis Williams. Why not just let sleeping dogs lie? Why tarnish the name of a you man struck by tragedy. It just doesnt seem necessary. Theyve made their point.

Posted by Paperboy

4:02 PM, Jan 27, 2008

They would not be tarnishing his name...he did that himself. They are simply reporting. Get real.

Posted by Spanaway Dave

4:02 PM, Jan 27, 2008

As Bob said, the UW Football program is kind of at a crossroads. I believe it's important to ensure that the culture of UW is one which best serves the people of this state.

Hey, people. I enjoy football. I'm a UW alum. But ... UW football has no bearing on the quality of my life. I do not live vicariously through the exploits of a bunch of young men playing a game. I enjoy watching the games, but football is entertainment!! Unless you work with or for the program, If it's more to you than entertainment, you are in serious need of getting a life! If the Husky win-loss record is affecting your quality of life, you need to stop and re-evaluate things.

UW is a public instituiton. It takes public funding. It exists for the common good. Football, despite being big business, is extracurricular. It is merely intended as entertainment for spectators. The medical and technology research done at UW are far more important. The education of tomorrow's leaders is far more important. Providing an environment in which our youth can effectively, predictably, and SAFELY become mature, responsible, functioning adults is far more important.

The timing for this Seattle Times series relevant. UW has put lots of resources and effort into cleaning up the residue of the mess the Times writes about. It is important to point out that W-L are not the only concerns for the program. Many would have us finish with 10 wins every year, disregarding the environment we foster. Frankly, that's nuts.

Should we really even consider expending all those public resources solely for W's? Besides making multi-millionaires out of people like Reggie Rogers, Jerramy Stevens, Tank Johnson, etc., etc., what is the benefit of those expended resources. Rape, drug-trafficking, hit and run, auto theft, assault and battery, threat, and intimidation are not a necessary part of a college athlethic program. Those elements will be present though, unless we require our institutions to at least attempt to maintain an environment which doesn't tolerate it.

UW isn't the only school that's had problems. I think it speaks well of UW that it is trying to clean things up. I, frankly, consider it a civic duty for the Times to remind all of us UW fans just how deep the problems were, how we got there, how we're trying to get out, and why the problem is so difficult to solve. It can't be easy with all the "Just, win, baby" lunatics screaming that nothing else matters. Some of these lunatics are so warped they offer large amounts of cash to try to sway the perspective of officials entrusted to safeguard the environment in which our youth make their transition to adulthood.

Perhaps LOI day will actually be positively affected. Perhaps, recruits and their families will accept that UW has shown a willingness to recognize and remedy mistakes of the past. Perhaps they will recognize that UW is attempting to invest in the character of faculty, staff, general student body, and student athletes to maximize UW's value to all citizens of this state, not just to the lunatic fringe of Husky football "fans". Investment in character was not easy and took some time for the Seahawks organization, but few there would argue it's not paid dividends.

To avoid the mistakes of the past, we need to know and understand them. The garbage which was part of the UW program simply illustrates the systemic nature of the problems caused by the "just win" attitudes which allow nonsensical rationalizing. How many have crucified Dennis Erickson in these blogs for his short-term approach to winning? Hmmm ... turns out UW took the easy route a few times, also. Imagine that!

As a UW alum, a consumer of Husky football and Husky basketball, and a concerned, tax-paying citizen of this state, I say thanks, Seattle Times. The Times didn't make this stuff up. If we're ashamed of our dirty laundry, maybe we ought to do the wash!

Bob ... Your by-line isn't even on the series, yet you're getting flack from the knuckleheads in here. Amazing. I used to think I would like to have been a sportswriter, but it only takes a little blogging experience to see that it may have been a less consuming job when your readers actually had to buy a paper, and sit down and write a letter to respond to your articles. Regardless, thanks for a great blog. No, make that two great blogs.

Spanaway Dave

Posted by Dawgman87

4:04 PM, Jan 27, 2008

KYS bob

Posted by 85Dawg

4:04 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Or maybe auction off the tainted Rose Bowl trophy and donate the proceeds to the victim(s) of that team's crimes. But who would bid on it? Not me.

Posted by luckyfourlife

4:06 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Is this the pennance the Blethen family is paying for giving cash to UW football players in the 1950's ?
rehashing the disaster that happened 8 years ago
does nothing to allow UW to move forward.
I am not calling for Ty's firing any more. however I am calling for the firing of the The editor who allowed this story into the paper.
As a daily Times reader for the last 30 years I'd
simply tell you that you have just lost a customer. I can't switch to another area paper because they are all owned by the same buffoons that own the Times. However because of the internet i don't have to read your garbage any more

good day


Posted by LR

4:06 PM, Jan 27, 2008

max --"...The UW program is on the rise led by a coaching staff that believes in integrity. This is a turning point in the program and depending on how the investigative series ends this could be a timely article."

Agreed. It might have been a bit different if this was the lead and part 2/3 was walking through the dark times before seeing the light again. There were bad times, no doubt. Crimes are bad, and there probably were more than what were restated today.

But the NEWS is the change in attitude over the past seven years, including (multiple) changes in coaching staffs and athletic department personnel, new president, clarification if you can throw down a buck on lottery tickets or a March office pool, and an AD getting released because, with all of the improved integrity, lost too many football games. And now there is an effort to getting public money that the Sonics couldn't get.

They should have never led off with 2000 -- that's not news. (And 'Give me a break' -- yes, completely unfair to drag Tui into this -- the caption didn't explain anything).

Posted by Eugene Husky

4:07 PM, Jan 27, 2008

TNT is a good newspaper.

It became respectable when my grandfather ran it from the early 70's to the mid-80's. He was a huge Husky fan and an alumni, and always assured respectability was printed.

He is rolling in his grave right now. He would be sincerely disappointed in the atrocities that some of our former players committed--and even the current ones (Murchison smacked his girlfriend, not a guy, by the way).

But more than that, he would have never allowed such a "mini-series" be printed because reliving such bad memories and disgusting behavior would do nothing productive. Everyone already knew the school had challenges. Everyone already knew that there were guys that were criminals under Neuheisel's watch. But we have gotten past that, or so we thought.

I personally dread the next 3 installments of such reporting. I am disgusted that there is such a lull in creativity of stories or a willingness to print the good, that the Times thought it would be better to dig up the past. And during such a crucial time for the Huskies as they try to become "the next great team."

It seems that a very powerful piece of media (Seattle Times) in the local area are doing anything/everything to stunt any good vibes/positive moves the University makes.

I surely hope that Curtis Williams is kept out of this. I met Curtis after his injury, and he was a man that had taken his injury and used it as an opportunity to change around his life. He was a man that inspired many who met him before his death.

And finally, don't put the good citizens of the team (the majority of the team, I might add)--such as Tui, Conniff, Tripplett, Mahdavi, Arnold, Alexis, etc--in the same category as Pharms, Stevens, and Alexander. That is unfair, and using pictures of them to mislead is inappropriate.

Bob, I will trust you on the next 3, and hope for the Times it turns around. Because right now, it is attacking and negative, and is on par with what the Times has been printing on the Huskies in the recent past.


~Eugene Husky

Posted by Saltherring

4:09 PM, Jan 27, 2008

If the Times rtruly wanted to do in-depth investigative reporting, it should have opened the books at the mess that is King County Elections. Or shovel their way into another cesspool at Washington State Deptartment of Transportation, particularly the ferry system. Either of those would be real stories!

Posted by mattysimone

4:10 PM, Jan 27, 2008

doesnt kjr have a a similar blog? we should go there

Posted by LR

4:14 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Second article is now posted (um, tomorrow's). All about Jerramy Stevens (I'm still reading it). Crime is bad, but rehashing this isn't news.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/victoryandruins/

Posted by ethan

4:14 PM, Jan 27, 2008

stupid intellectual muckrakers! im just gonna have to turn on Fox News to help me completely ignore the avarice, graft, espionage, murder, torture, hatred, fear, rage and intoxication of power in this country.

Posted by Allen

4:16 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob, your defense of the Times is awful. Your defense of the "timing" is awful. Your excuses for the times not being Anti-UW is just as bad as a SEC fan who won't admit that he is wrong.

Go back to school and try to remember what journalism is about. UnBiased reporting? Ring a Bell?

As others have said, where are all the other stories on the other WA schools? UNBIASED?????

You guys can keep my subscription, the Tac Trib needs customers. Not a threat, just that when your college blog has nothing better to report other than a nega-story from 8 years ago rather than a full feature story on this year's team, IMO it's time to move on. As a long time reader and subscriber (1972) to the times, no hard feelings, good luck on your quest for Journalism.

Posted by Husky Fan in New York

4:18 PM, Jan 27, 2008

A cross-roads was the Neuheisel/Hedges/Gilby mess and not now. We have a great University president, a much improved roster led by some outstanding young players, and a better coaching staff. AD will be in place soon and UW will be going to Rose Bowls again (possibly starting in 2009).


Posted by Brian

4:23 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Ummmm says it best: A history of trashing the UW and nothing bad against WSU- ever. This is why i get my husky news from dawgman. Your paper has crossed the line time and time again.

Posted by LR

4:26 PM, Jan 27, 2008

[Google has already indexed tomorrow's story... IN NINE MINUTES!

jerramy stevens 2000

So, again, how is this news? His wikipedia entry has almost as much...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerramy_Stevens

Bob, you have to tell your editors that this multi-part story is NOT investigative journalism.


Posted by GetOnWithIt

4:29 PM, Jan 27, 2008

It's hard out here on a Dawg.....

Can't we just live in the now. We all know the past, we know where the bodies are buried, none of us are proud of it....lets move on.

Posted by FloridaHusky

4:30 PM, Jan 27, 2008

VOTE with your $.

CANCEL ALL SUBSCRIPTIONS, ADVERTISING, and classifieds with the TIMES.

Posted by Brent Buchmeier

4:35 PM, Jan 27, 2008

All I have to say is that this article had better end with the changes in the program since Ty took over and the new direction that we are going!!! Also why can't we leave the events of 7-8 years ago in the past?

Posted by SeeYaUW

4:39 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I see this story as a retalliation. The institutions of this state have supported the Huskies to an almost criminal degree for decades. In return for years of blind allegiance, the UW turns around and tries to strong-arm 150 million dollars of tax-payers money to rebuild their stadium. I see this story as the opening salvo of the State of Washington's counter-attack. Obviously this story is not in the Seattle Times' best interest which leads me to believe that pressure is being applied to them. The UW is exactly as big as the state government has allowed them to be and now you have pissed them off and they are going to show you just how small you really are. Better dig in, it's gonna be a dawgfight.

Posted by guest

4:45 PM, Jan 27, 2008

In other news, we have one more scolarship left as McKay had committed to the cougs

Posted by art

4:48 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob

You support of such garbage is shameful, you are
a traitor along with the Times staff to the values
and courage of all of those who have defended and
supported this program. I would not be surprised
to see Ty resign now. What a pitiful example of
journalism.

Posted by HaHa

4:59 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I just find it funny that a Stevens, a UW student, spelled it Satterday. That is priceless. I seem to remember learned to spell the days of the week pretty early on in my education, maybe first grade. I guess all UW's crap about intellectual superiority stops somewhere in the tunnel that leads to the football field.

Posted by Marysvillemark

5:00 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Boycott,

I propose that we boycott the entertainment section for one week.

Posted by JugHead

5:03 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I guess that's what happens when you use your school textbooks for tire traction to escape crime scenes instead of for studying. The real news here should be that a UW student actually had textbooks in his car.

One other thing regarding the story...it is nice to hear that the Seattle Police Dept keeps a UW football program handy to assist victims in visually identifying criminals. That's just good efficient police work.

Posted by WAZZUFAN

5:05 PM, Jan 27, 2008

This article tells us nothing we already did not know. They UW runs a suspect and notoriously troubled program that will cut corners in hopes of success. They got caught and now all these Husky fans are ticked off because they have been ousted. Less Criminals has equaled less victories. More Criminals equaled more victories and a co-national championship. Any wonder why UW has lost more when trying to play with a fair deck. They can't win when fair. UW=Fraud!!!!!Go Cougs

Posted by KelsoDuck

5:06 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's just doing his job. Do people attack you when you do your job? You Husky fans are the most hateful and pathetic fans in the country.

Posted by danM

5:07 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Every time you visit seattletimes.com you provide traffic that they show their advertisers. Quit coming here, there are alternatives. seattlepi.com, thenewstribune.com, thedawgblawg.com, dawgman.com, ussmariner.com,...

Anybody else have any?

Posted by dave

5:12 PM, Jan 27, 2008

www.uwpoliceblotter.com

Posted by Bob

5:14 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Thanks danM for the traffic. It's greatly appreciated by the advertising department.

Posted by BoiseTruth

5:18 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I think you ladies and gentlemen are largely missing the point of the mini-series. This isn't about Husky football, or the UW in general. It's about the Seattle Times making money. This is the equivalent of sweeps week on TV, or maybe more accurately, sweeps week on the Jerry Springer show. Subscriptions, and hits on-line are how the Times justifies there ad rates. They don't care if you're happy, or upset. Every time they get a hit, their ad rate goes up. That's why they track the number of hits they get. If you're really upset, the way to make an impression on the Times is to tell the people that advertise in the Times that you're going to boycott their products unless they pull their ads from the Times. Today, this blog alone will get over 200 hits with no news, and with nothing going on. Normally, this blog wouldn't have gotten 30 hits today. Money in the bank for the Times. BTW, don't be surprised if the mini-series turns out to be a feel good story about how much improved the Huskies situation is now compared to then. Get everybody upset, then smooth it over, and make money. Win - win for the Times

Posted by Marysvillemark

5:21 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I propose we boycott the 'Travel/Outdoors' section.

Well except for the fishing stuff.

Posted by Dawg in Daytona

5:28 PM, Jan 27, 2008

MarysvilleMark, hilarious.

Fred, right on.

Mello, no I wouldn't want Stevens on my team if I knew all that. If ever a series of transgressions warranted being kicked off the team, he did 'em.

And everyone who's threatening to leave and take your freaked out butts elsewhere, please commit to your word.

Yeah, the timing is suspect.

GO 2008 DAWGS!!!

Posted by dawgonit

5:42 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob,

Quick question: Did the reporters request your input into this story. Did you provide any?

Thanks for your blog. I typically check it twice a day.

Posted by Dogma

5:44 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"This isn't about Husky football, or the UW in general. It's about the Seattle Times making money."

Don't you hate when people put their morals in their back-pocket and blindly do whatever is necessary to make money and/or succeed with no regard for ethics or decency? Oh wait, we are right back where we started.....

Posted by DeMarcus

5:46 PM, Jan 27, 2008

This story is about the individuals and not UW football. Stevens was recruited by 4 northwest universities. Like most in his circumstance he chose to be a husky. His bevaior reflects badly on himself, and not on his teamates or UW football. Efforts t create this link are unreasonable and serve as a crutch for wsu supporters,

Posted by DumDumDum

5:53 PM, Jan 27, 2008

How UW handled the situation is the embarrassing part. Even if you give the Huskies adminstration a pass for recruiting him, they still need to be held accountable for attempting to cover it up. Bottom line is they were more concerned with how it would affect their team and their season than they were about the victim or the fact that Stevens was a menace and a criminal and should have been put behind bars. At least kick him off the team for Christ's sake, he was a friggin' rapist. I don't know about your campus but ass-fucking drugged virgin co-eds against their will is not acceptable behavior in most institutions of higher learning. Especially when there are so many sorotity girls at the UW who will consent to these types of activities of their own volition.

Posted by dawgg

5:53 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Wow! I learned that Stevens allegedly anally raped the girl as well as vaginally raping her.

Allegedly.

That was the only thing I took that wasn't reported 7 years ago in the papers.

But a well respected Prosecutor of over 20 years did not find enough evidence to move forward, even though the case at the time it happened was on the front page.

Now the prosecutor is dead, so he cannot refute the hack job on his credibility, so it all must be true, right?

Seattle Times - Redefining Yellow Journalism in the 21st Century!

Posted by dude

5:55 PM, Jan 27, 2008

DumDumDum,

dude......

Posted by Klay

6:28 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"The series, as noted in the credits, is a Seattle Times special report produced by our investigative team. It runs for four days and like watching a mini-series or something, is best viewed in its entirety."

So you are admitting this is manufactured news for entertainment purposes?

Posted by Preacher

6:30 PM, Jan 27, 2008

errr Dummy

The UW tried to cover this up how exactly?

Posted by Aster

6:39 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"But it is a key institution in this state and in our region, and we have committed significant resources to covering the school through the years. But as with any key institution, the paper feels it is important to shine a light on all aspects of it. "

Damn right its is a key institution that helps drive the economy and contributes to making the life of citizens better. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of you employer. If the Seattle Times ceased to exist most would not notice, and the ones that do would welcome the change.

Posted by MelloDawg

6:42 PM, Jan 27, 2008

My two cents on Bob's defense.

1. AD is at a crossroads with having just fired Turner.

--Turner was fired months ago, run the story then.

2. Willingham is under fire.

--Willingham has been under fire for months, run the story then

3. The program is under pressure to win with integrity.

--It's been that way ever since we got off probation.

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Heck, even I wouldn't care if you ran something that said how much better the program is now, at least morally. Of course, I don't doubt it'll end with a triumphant praise of Willingham and how winning isn't important anymore as long as your players don't get in trouble with the law.

Posted by Doug Hofacker

6:48 PM, Jan 27, 2008

What a bunch of B/S. You guy's must think were all as dumb as, well, a Times reporter. Of course the article was timed with for recruiting season as well as the stadium funding. Digging up 8 year old news to smear the UW is both disgusting and lame, but the I've come to expect no less from the tabloid rag the Times. Why don't you guy's get a job with the National Enquirer, it fits your lack of style

Posted by Trevor

7:04 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Very disturbing set of responses from UW football fans. This was an incredibly well written series of articles about the culture of criminality that pervaded the UW's 2000 team. All you Tyrone haters NEVER talk about this stuff.

Almost every comment on this blog is about the football team, but not about the poor woman whose rape went unpunished by people who kowtowed to the UW, not the 90 year old woman who had a dresser fall on her in bed, not about any of the people who couldn't get justice because a bunch of meathead fans in positions of power decided that it was more important to look the other way.

That was an incredibly well-written, well researched article. All you sick fans engaging in the politics of character assassination look like so many other people who want to look the other way all over again. This isn't an anti-UW article. If anything, it supports Turner and Tyrone in their contention that they did not inherit a healthy program.

Posted by vaildawg

7:09 PM, Jan 27, 2008

What a load of crap!!!!!
Did every word of that rediculous "explanation" of your hatchet job come from the lawyers and PR machine?
You have no credibility let.

Posted by AZ Dawg

7:17 PM, Jan 27, 2008

120+ posts and counting. Looks like the Times did the right thing!

See the advertisers to the right of this blog? They're loving it too and can't wait for the next controversial article.

You guys (and girls) are funny. RELAX...

Posted by A little scared

7:20 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Boy, reading these comments is kind of scary. Get a grip, folks. If you showed this much passion for "the positives in the program" when these ethical violations were going on -- had you let the powers that be know you would not tolerate this nonsense -- this piece wouldn't have been printed. Go be a father to your child ... go hug your wife ... anything as most of you appear to have lost your marbles.

Posted by selwin

7:23 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Didn't Jerramy Stevens play most recently in this town for the Seahawks. I think that reflects very badly on Paul Allen, Mike Holmgren and company as they had al neccesary information. This diminishes the Seahawks super bowl run. And all this after Koren Robinson.

Posted by fet

7:24 PM, Jan 27, 2008

What a waste of space. Boring Boring Boring. Find writers who can come up with something interesting and timely

Posted by AZ Dawg

7:25 PM, Jan 27, 2008

MACKAY NOW A COUG

This seems like a more relevant topic for the Huskies blog. Thanks for bringing that to my attention, "guest."

Hate to see a quality in-state recruit leave our program but maybe this opens up a spot for Bayless.

Posted by Tacoma Coug

7:33 PM, Jan 27, 2008

The responses to this article are a shining example of why nobody (not just cougars), but nobody likes the UW or their fans. The Husky nation trots around with its holier-than-thou attitude, then throws a hissy fit when stuff like this comes out. And you are the people who want $150 million of taxpayer money for your stadium, simply amazing.

Posted by OlyDawg

7:43 PM, Jan 27, 2008

May have already been mentioned, but according to realdawg.com Cory Mackay has decommited from UW, and is expected to sign with WSU.


I don't have premium access to dawgman.com, but what are the chances that Bayless signs on with UW in the next few weeks according to his interview?

Posted by Dawgsfan12

7:44 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Tacoma Coug :

We aren't all throwing a hissy fit and defending Stevens.

Posted by Huskyfan

7:45 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Jawood:

This deesn't hurt Ty and the UW it hurts Slick rick

Posted by Husky Pride

7:48 PM, Jan 27, 2008

The article is timed for letter of intent day? So Husky recruits are going to read about the problems of people who are not with the program and change their mind? Or they are going to think they can't get away with stuff and look elsewhere is that the point? I am a proud Husky alum (04) and huge football fan but I was disgusted reading this article. Not by the timing or some anti-UW bias the Seattle Times supposedly has for some bizarre reason but by the behavior of Stevens and the efforts of the UW and Prosecutor's Office to cover it up. I don't care that this was eight years ago. The treatment this girl received and the behavior Stevens got with are DISGUSTING and will always be relevant. If one of my friends or relatives went to the UW and was treated this way after accusing a football player of rape because the Prosecutor didn't want the media attention or the coach needed an important player on the field I would be furious and appaled And that may be old news but it certaintly does not make it "boring" or "biased." I don't want to watch UW football lose any more games either but this article served as an important reminder that speaking about integrity along with wins isn't just an abstract concept - it affects the lives of us who live in the same community as these players. Having lived blocks from Greek Row I can't imagine seeing a girl who obviously didn't know what was going on being violated and then seeing how the case was handled, especially given the past history of the accused detailed in the article. And I believe the Times does report positive events surrounding the football team. This blog is run by the Seattle Times and has had many positive stories on the current team and the recruits coming in. So let's at least wait to see what the epilogue says before bashing the whole story.

Posted by timessuck

7:48 PM, Jan 27, 2008

You know the story is crap when the Seattle PI reporters are ripping on it, from nathan ware:

"Thank you, Seattle Times, I'm glad that I have this new information so that I can know more about college football. Where would we be without you? "

Enough said......

Posted by priapism

8:01 PM, Jan 27, 2008

No newspaper makes me hate Husky Football more than the Seattle Times.

Posted by Godawgs

8:32 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Offense check,Defense check, Special teams check,Trial lawyer check.

Posted by MarysvilleMark

8:36 PM, Jan 27, 2008

What the hell is wrong with this story?

The story is about the demise of a great athletic institution.

It’s about the failures of an athletic director, and a couple of coaches.

It’s about a program that lost direction.

It’s about what happens when you put young athletes on a pedestal, and don’t hold them accountable for their actions.

It’s about our society’s inability to do the right thing.

It’s about a why a coach was fired.

It’s about a program that couldn’t recruit the best young men available.

It’s about why an athletic director was forced out.

It’s about why a coach was hired.

Quit your dam wining, it’s a great story.

Posted by Ned

8:36 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I think many of you are missing the point of the "mini" series. It is being done mostly to prop up the current loser coach of the Huskies. Ty's abysmal record doesn't look so bad if you can compare him to selective incidents from almost a decade ago. Incidents that the Times, if they really were interested in righting wrongs, would have been reported on, in depth, when they happened.

Posted by Joe_L

8:42 PM, Jan 27, 2008

"The responses to this article are a shining example of why nobody (not just cougars), but nobody likes the UW or their fans. The Husky nation trots around with its holier-than-thou attitude...."

What? There's another major college in Washington State?

Posted by rehabbed

8:48 PM, Jan 27, 2008

And we did Stevens no favor what so ever. He needed a good swift kick in the arse.

I didn't change my ways until not just getting caught, but actually being reprimanded for it.

Stevens, like Koren Robinson, like PacMan Jones, like Vick, like XXX, just kept getting chance after chance after chance to have another first 'second' chance.

They needed a chance to really think about what kind of society member they want to be. And the sooner society makes it priorities clear, the better.

In these cases, society made it clear that it didn't matter what they did, as long as they played good football.

Posted by Gretchen

8:52 PM, Jan 27, 2008

In much the same way that parents are ultimately responsible for their children's behaviour, the UW is responsible for the actions of the players they recruit. They have a moral obligation and a civic duty to make amends when one of their own victimizes the local citizenry...and not only did they fail to do anything about it, they actually actively covered it up and minimized the importance of it. And through all this, there is a young female college student whose life was ruined and nobody cared because we were in pursuit of a Rose Bowl trophy. Embarrassing!!!!! This story should be told over and over again and shouted from the mountain tops. Thank you Seattle Times for having the courage to run this story in the face of a community filled with immoral, hypocritical, selfish, Husky football fantatics who now expect us to all see them as the victims in this. As a fan of that team, I would like to apologize to this woman and her family for not caring enough to demand better from UW at the time. That trophy holds no honor for me and should be relinquished.

Posted by jed

8:57 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I have never forgotten these rape accusations against Stevens and remember being sickened by it then, dismayed and surprised that he wasn't charged. There was a lot of publicity about it and I remember trusting the prosecution when they said there was not enough evidence to bring charges. I didn't realize then that they had irrefutable DNA evidence that he was the perpetrator. The only remaining question was whether there was enough evidence to support the believe that the victim was not lucid enough to give consent. There never seemed much question about that then or now reading the evidence again.

That the prosecutor's office did not do their duty and were apparently influenced unduly by who this star athlete was and possibly by those connected to the UW is appalling.

Bill Walsh was a great coach but only modestly successful at Stanford. I remember being offended by him one time saying something to the effect that the UW teams were full of "rogue players". It sounded like "sour grapes" spoken by someone out of frustration; maybe there was some merit to what he said.

Certainly the majority of players over the years are fine individuals who go on to be contributing members of society. There is much to be proud of at the UW and its athletics. Nevertheless it seems like this article is timely as the Huskies try to return to greatness on the field. The means to the end really is as important as the end itself. Regardless of Neuheisel's won-loss record I would take TW over him any day. As far as the X's and O's, bring in good O- and D- coordinators who can handle that. The recruits that are coming in believe in and respect TW and want to play for him.

Posted by Reminded

8:58 PM, Jan 27, 2008

But it's good to be reminded.

To be reminded that WE DON'T HAVE A TIGHT END!!!

What's up with that Lappanno? Or whoever..???


Posted by Sickened

8:59 PM, Jan 27, 2008

If UW lost its entire recruiting class because of this story being run, it would not nearly be enough punishment for what was done to this woman. To be drugged and raped by a UW football player only to have the UW administration and the local police and legal officials collude to cover it up must have been a terrible thing to go through. Imagine how she felt seeing Stevens parade around with a rose in his mouth celebrating his life's great accomplishment while her life lay in ruins. This woman was violated twice, once by Stevens and again by the UW. I'm not sure which was more painful in the final analysis.

Posted by Husky4Life

9:02 PM, Jan 27, 2008

You didn't read the story closely enough, she got violated twice by Stevens, not once.

Posted by Jon

9:12 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Joe_L,

No, there isn't.

Posted by dawn james cheats

9:17 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I am disgusted by this, as a UW alumnus. The complicity of coaches, an AD, prosecutors, and judges sickens me. Worse of all is the UW moving in court, unsuccessfully, to have Stevens's victim have to give her name. I am a lawyer, I try these cases. The only reason UW did this was to get her to settle or dismiss. Disgusting is an inadequate word.

Posted by Matt

9:18 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Old news is old news. This story is really old news. It is entirely irrelevant to the present or the future. It is about people no longer associated with the program -- in fact, people who were fired from the program a long time ago.

Only a rag would print this garbage.

Posted by Guest

9:21 PM, Jan 27, 2008

So I have read a lot of people's complaint on here that they are mad that the Times posted a picture of Stevans with Tui.

Do you think Tui is mad at the Times when he sees this and reads the article? Or mad at Stevans?

Posted by Dawg in hell

9:23 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Betadawg that is the best response I have read in a long time... brilliant

Posted by udubwillbeback

9:25 PM, Jan 27, 2008

the stuff written today degrading the Husky program and university, is stuff that happens on a daily basis at universities across this corrupted country including in Pullman. Will derting, a so called "star" linebacker was charged with a DUI. you know why no one cares, cause he went to WSU, where partying, sex, drugs and illegal acts are a part of culture that embraced there.

Posted by Guest

9:30 PM, Jan 27, 2008

I lived outside of Seattle for 10 years and didn't move back until 2001, so I missed most of the details of Stevans unlawfulness in 2000.

I thought the article was well researched and informative (for me). It didn't tell me anything I didn't know already about Neu and Hedges.

What I find really disheartening is the differences between the SPD and prosecutor's office in handling the case, and the attempt of our university to publicly name Stevans' alleged victim in her civil suit so they can save a settlement of several hundrend thousand dollars.

It is upsetting -but not news to me- that people at our university (or any other university) like Neu and Hedges would allow this to happen in the name of winning football. But that the legal defense team would try to bully the victim into public embarrassment to save several hundren thousand dollars? That was hard to take.

As I read this today, I didn't think this dragged our program in the mud. It shows how far our program has come from the program it was in 2000.

Posted by Shorey

9:36 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Didn't wsu try its darndest to recruit Jerramy Stevens and Randy Estes. Some prett hypocritical peops out here.

Posted by SeattleTimesSucks

10:05 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Hahaha....the Times doing anything remotely investigative is a joke. This paper is so ridiculous. The only thing worthwhile is Condotta's blog. Without it, I would never read this newspaper.

The Blethens are also idiots. I have nothing good to say about this newspaper, and I encourage everyone to stop reading it, except, of course, for Condotta's blog.

Posted by Sean

10:13 PM, Jan 27, 2008

Bob,

I can't believe you are defending the tripe that was printed in that article today. Just disgusting. What a worthless bunch of hacks you and your fellow writers at the Times are!

Sean

Posted by dantheman

10:51 PM, Jan 27, 2008

How does old news about the dirt bag Stevens represent the current UW program? And make the front page for that matter? Pretty suspect given the stadium funding effort. Bob, I appreciate the hard work and dedication getting actual news about our huskies, but I think we can all agree we have turned a corner riding ignorant coaches such as RN (UCLA can have him). I am proud that TW is our coach. This rebuilding process has been tough, but UW is a better program because of it.

Go DAWGS!

Posted by purplepaws

11:50 PM, Jan 27, 2008

This story is sensationalized rehash--as usual. Keep up the yellowpress journalism, anti-UDub "investigative reporting". Maybe your reporters will get some free passes to a Cougar tea and cookie social.

Posted by jd_husky

12:02 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Let's see - who of any significance was at UW when this happened. That would be no one. Therefore this (WTF) Sunday front page article is one of two things, A reminder of how low we were (didn’t really need that) or a sucker punch on the stadium $. From this I think there are too many former E.R.M. students working at the times.
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Woof! Woof!
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And I am glad to have never subscribed to the Times and am considering stopping the PI.
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jd

Posted by SammamishDAWG

12:39 AM, Jan 28, 2008

BOYCOTT THE SEATTLE TIMES

Posted by GoDawgs

12:55 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Why didn't this article come out earlier, say during the time that Neweasel was interviewing for the UCLA job?
Yes, the UW had some major transgressions; I would have much rather seen Stevens behind bars, even if it had cost us some games that season. There is nothing wrong with writing a story about that, but I am very disappointed in the spin that this article had. Do not fault the entire team. Fault Stevens, Neweasel, and the administrators at UW as well as the people involved at the Prosecuter's office who allowed him to get away with such a travesty. UW has cleaned up their program drastically and it's upsetting that the article made no mention of that.
And if anyone should be criticized right now, it should be UCLA for hiring such a known scumbag.

Posted by Mix

1:40 AM, Jan 28, 2008

This reminds me of the "balanced" articles that the Times ran in 1993 when they were looking for a witch hunt into the Husky program (I stopped reading the Times for 6 years after that). Yes, Thank You Seattle Times for again trashing the program and digging up dirt that is almost a DECADE OLD....

No one is contending that Stevens and Pharms aren't A-#1 scum bags, but why is this story relevant now? and why is it a story on the football team vs. stories about idiot scum bags that once lived in Seattle? And about that "balance", Marquis Tuiasosopo and his family are one of the most upstanding groups of individuals in our entire city... will he be included in the story?

just another useless and archiac attempt at a witch hunt.

Go ahead and trash Pharms and Stevens (they deserve it), but leave the school out of it.

Posted by MelloDawg

2:30 AM, Jan 28, 2008

dantheman,

Yet I'll bet you turn a blind eye to the character flaws that Don James's players had when HE was coach.

Jordan Murchison, Matt Houston ring a bell? You know, the ones who were arrested for beating the crap out of someone and stealing a taxi, respectively?

Posted by TalkinTrash

5:01 AM, Jan 28, 2008

It is relevant because Convict U. is trying to hijack 150 million dollars of state funds to rebuild their stadium. Taxpayers need to know what they are getting for their money...a bunch of thugs, criminals, rapists, and felons recruited from all around the country to come plague the local citizenry. This could not be more relevant.

Posted by Jeff D

5:05 AM, Jan 28, 2008

It seems the Times feels a need to sell Ty Willingham..........yet again. There is a raging civil war over Ty and our local jounalists think they can bring peace while pouring fuel on the fire. It seems to be the current head in the sand mentality of the journalistic community.

An 8 year old story gives ammo to the pro Ty minority while swaying none of his detractors. The chasm widens, the flames jump higher, and discusion among fans escalates to a point threatening physical actions and promoting hate.

It appears the world of academia has the Times support in an effort to steamroll the public. Force Ty down our throats then force taxpayer stadium money. Circumventing the fan base may work but, as usual, academia ignores the fact that belief cannot be changed by force.

Funny thing how they don't ignore our money.

Posted by JugHead

5:09 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Nice comparison between Derting getting a DUI and Stevens raping someone. Ever known anybody that had a DUI? Did you immediately drop them as friends or disown them as family or did you hope that they learned their lesson and give them a second chance...especially in their 20's. On the flip side, if someone I knew was guilty of rape...they would be nothing to me from that moment forward. Plain and simple, Stevens should have been immediately dropped from the football team and presecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The fact that he wasn't should be a huge embarrassment to anyone who is a Husky fan or a Seattle resident. To say that THIS stuff is going on all around the country, when THIS stuff is rape, is an irresponsible statement.

Posted by Convict U.

5:15 AM, Jan 28, 2008

If just one young kid out there reads this and it helps him to make an informed decision to not go to UW it will have been well worth the effort. The past atrocities perpetrated by Convict U. will be the water cooler conversation centerpiece all week....as it should be.

Posted by Citizen

5:23 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Isn't the news that UW tried to get the name of this victim publicized new news? I didn't know that before, and it should be the MOST embarrassing aspect of this entire ordeal to Husky fans. This was a blatant attempt to get her to settle this out of court, and save money for the UW. Rather than admit that the actions of their football player were wrong, they managed to inflict more embarrassment and punishment on the innocent victim all in the name of the all-mighty dollar. Nice job UW. Go Huskies! Enjoy your trophy.

Posted by Living in denial

5:34 AM, Jan 28, 2008

school recruits football player
football player rapes female student
newspaper reports new information concerning rape

The fact that Husky fans see UW as the victim and the newspaper as the bad guy in this scenario tells you everything you need to know about Husky fans. You can't just bury a corpse in your backyard and not expect a dog to dig up a bone every few years. This will not go away. People won't forget. If your football program got completely terminated it would not be enough payment for these wrongdoings. Take your medicine and quit bitching. Your precious university is the problem here, not the newspaper.

Posted by dogtired

6:25 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I do not plan on reading any more tripe! I have had it with the Times sports reporting.

Posted by Dawg Daze

6:44 AM, Jan 28, 2008

The UW fans remind me of the Catholics. They don't want to talk about their problems and want to write it off as something that happened in the past or was isolated to a few individuals. Just like the people who attend and finance a church that molests children, the UW fans must answer for the actions of their institution. You can't just dismiss news articles as biased because you don't like the light they shine on your program. The problem is systemic and is still prevalent today. Your players are still getting arrested every year. Just because the Times doesn't do as the legal and law enforcement officials did by helping to sweep this under the rug, you lash out at them. They are just doing their job, perhaps if your administration had done the same you wouldn't be in all this trouble.

Posted by Dell

7:16 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Your paper is intent on writing its investigative report and I can only object to that to a degree. Now I see that your paper intends on dragging Curtis Williams through the mud and that is an outrage. This young mand died due to complicationss from injuries sustained on the football field. This clearly shows the lack of class and intended malice from your organization.

I will be contacting everyone I can to run my own campaign against this type of irresponsible and disrespectful use of your privileges.

I am personally offended that you would choose to smear a late Husky player to complete your sensationalized journalism.

Everyone associated with the times should be ashamed.

Posted by Guest

7:31 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Everyone who is upset is clamoring "Why don't you print good news instead?"

Read the series Wednesday, when they discuss AK-47. Former linebacker from that time period, did a lot of community work as you may recall. Was a great role model and an impressive young man.

Posted by Fudazz

7:40 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Hey Bob! Way to take one for the team. The next time you guys meet around the water cooler, please ask these questions:

Will the Times run a full public apology to Tui and his family for using his picture with a broad reaching negative headline for a story which doesn't mention him being convicted of anything?

Will the Times put Governors picture over a headline of misconduct by an individual state senator?

If a couple of local high school kids get caught in some illegal action, will the Times paint the whole high school as out of control, and criminal?

I am really curious to see how this team of investigative reporters finishes this series off. After years of observing the Times use news articles to promote, or castigate, their pet projects, politicians, etc. It will be interesting to watch this unfold. Personally, after years of observing the Seattle scene, I'm going to put my money on the UW, not the Times.

Posted by Dawg Daze

7:42 AM, Jan 28, 2008

So he died. Does that cleanse him of all sins? Get over yourselves. You can't just let your athletes rape and pilage the community for years and then cry about it when the Times calls you out on it. The fact is, if this report does stop the public financing of your stadium remodel, then it is doing the community a huge service. Why waste tax-payers money on a colliseum where your gladiators can glorify themselves? Haven't we already paid a high enough price by sacrificing our virgin daughters? It is UW's actions that are shameful. It is UW that should be boycotted. It is UW that should be embarrassed of themselves. The Times has no blood on their hands, but all of the UW and its fans do.

Posted by Take That

7:46 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Well, it sounds like most of your football team went to this rapists trial or hearing or whatever and supported him. Maybe they should have put a group picture instead of singling out Tui but I say they are all to blame as a bunch of enablers. Tui is making a nice salary based mostly on his association with this rogue program so why should he be exempt from criticism?

Posted by Eugene Husky

7:48 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I hope the comments above are right--that they do a story on Anthony Kelly or someone positive for once from the 2000 team.

But, the way the stories are going, I am sure Roc Alexander is next up to get bashed in the paper. And all the anti-UW people are loving it.

Again, way to go Times. You have 2 stories left to show that this is a balanced article--that there were horrible people on the '01 RB Team, and were great people. A contrast would be welcome.

Keeping this story going and printing all the nasty details won't do anything but temporarily gain interest, but in the end hurt your paper's credibility. Negativity only gets you so far and this story has reported on a ton of past details that are descriptive, gruesome, and frightening. In the end, what is accomplished?

The timing is despicable. The documentary is slanted. And the reported sides of the story has a lot of hearsay. Nevertheless, I believe most of the reporting, and it is disappointing.

Still, you are reporting on a few guys on a team of 80+ that went to the Rosebowl. Because of that, it is not fair to forever taint the reputation and accomplishments of the whole team because of a few bad (very bad) apples. So, I am hopeful this becomes a story that highlights how many different people (criminals and do-gooders) were on the team in 2000.


~Eugene Husky

Posted by I'm Sorrya

7:54 AM, Jan 28, 2008

The only thing any Husky fan should post here is an apology to the young lady who was victimized. It happened on our watch. We were the ones paying the bills. We were the ones cheering for criminals. We were the ones basking in the glory of a Rose Bowl victory. We were the ones who looked the other way. We were the ones who supported a university that compounded the victim's suffering by threatening to disclose her name. We were the ones who didn't care.

I am truly sorry for what happened to her. Any other sentiment is unacceptable and just reinforces the underlying theme of the story regarding the selfishness and blind loyalty of UW fans.

Posted by Eugene Husky

7:58 AM, Jan 28, 2008

And Dawg Daze and a couple of the other posters are above--you are absolutely pathetic. It all comes down to public money, and supporting the "rapists", right?

You are probably people that either

a) Hate the Huskies because your allegiance is elsewhere in the Nortwhest

b) Hate athletics and think it is a trivial part of human life with no relevance to the world

c) Live off the government, or work for the government, and the stadium would be detrimental to your way of life

d) Are bitter because you a worthless human being with no redeeming qualities, who tries to flex your intellectual muscle through analogies of comparing UW and its athletes to the movies 300 or Gladiator. How brilliant.

e) Are ignorant to realize that there are criminals in all walks of life, and just because your neighbor or even an acquaintance does some horrible things, that you are not to blame or to be held in the same light too.

f) All of the above.

Answer: (F)

I guarantee you that when you sit and look at your life, the ignorance of your commentary is indicative of how you feel about your place in the community and even what you actually are: irerelvant.

And knowing that is priceless.

Posted by Good Idea

7:59 AM, Jan 28, 2008

We really need to be spending this 150 million on a new prison so we have some place to house these criminals once they use up their four years of eligibility at UW.

Posted by Jeff D

8:03 AM, Jan 28, 2008

The sad truth - Condotta acknowledges that the purpose or the story is the selling of Tyrone Willingham. Obviously Ty's 13 year track record and three years at the UW speak for themselves but not the voice the Times/UW wants heard. So they resort to the old ploy make someone else look bad so we can look good.

We do not want the type of players represented in the articles. We also do not want a mediocre coach. They are separate subjects.

BTW will there be a follow up article on young Mr. Murchison?

Posted by Dawg Daze

8:08 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Or maybe I am just a person who believes that tax-payers money should go to institutions and projects that help our society. UW football is a boil on the ass of our community and should be lanced. They have brought shame on all Seattle residents and don't deserve our money. The stadium should be paid for by the group of UW football fans who still support them despite all their wrong-doings. The rest of us should not have to foot the bill. The stadium serves noone but the 70000 people who go to it 6 times a year, let them pay for it themselves. If they can't afford it they should go play at Qwest field or better yet...don't play at all and spend the money helping the local community you have terrorized with your band of hoodlums for decades.

Posted by Justice Now

8:14 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Whatever happened to the football "death penalty"? I am sure whatever SMU did years ago would pale in comparison to the crimes that were being committed by UW. Did they deem the "death penalty" cruel and unusual punishment? Maybe they should reinvoke it just this once.

Posted by ummmm

8:17 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I again challenge the Times to do a story on WSU and the misconduct of their players over the past 10 years......Won't do it, will you? Again, unfairly baised against the UW is an understatement in explaining the Seattle Media (Times and it's BS Staff in particular).

Posted by Jake

8:19 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I hope you had little to do with this article as well as the timing Bob..... this is purely Husky bashing and is inappropriate.
Jake

Posted by Suspicious

8:31 AM, Jan 28, 2008

There is obviously a massive conspiracy to denegrate and destroy the Husky football program. If this cabal has the ability to influence the local news media, it must go to the highest levels of local government. We need to look into what the other uses of this 150 million dollars would be if they don't spend it on the stadium. When we find that out, we will find the perpetrators of this smear campaign. If you want to get to the bottom of something you just have to follow the money. Where does this 150 million lead us?

Posted by WSU Hater

8:32 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Probably WSU behind the whole thing.

Posted by Suspicious

8:34 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I don't doubt their involvement but at a lower level. Would WSU have the muscle to influence the press? I doubt it. There are probably a few highly placed Cougars pulling a few strings here but this is bigger than that.

Posted by WSU Hater

8:37 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Who gains when we lose?

WSU. That's where I would look first if I was investigating this conspiracy.

Posted by fudazz

8:37 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Hey "Take That" Are you saying that anybody associated with the Husky football program at that time is guilty? That is really naive. Are you going to apply that same standard to yourself, your family and friends, and co-workers?

Your saying that money is more important to Tui and the other members of the program, than character, or honor. Do you know this for sure? Again, is this the same standard that you go by personally?

Posted by Suspicious

8:43 AM, Jan 28, 2008

The first thing we need to do is get a comprehensive list of all the Seattle Times people that contributed to this. Where are they from? What schools did they attend? What are they invested in? Where are their allegiances? We don't have a choice anymore. We've become a significant threat to the State government. They're trying to destroy our credibility. They already have in many circles in this town. Be honest, our only chance is to come up with a theory. Something, anything. Make accusations, stir the shit storm, hope to reach a point of critical mass that'll start a chain reaction of people coming forward, then the government will crack. Remember, fundamentally, people are suckers for the truth - and the truth is on our side. I just hope we get a break. All hands on deck for this one...the stakes couldn't be bigger.

Posted by pheel

8:44 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Bob, thanks for staying away from this one. They're not going to run a Curtis Williams story, are they? If so, run Bob run.

Posted by WSU Hater

8:49 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Well that's the real question, isn't it? Why? The how and the who is just scenery for the public. Keeps 'em guessing like some kind of parlor game, prevents 'em from asking the most important question, why? Why was the story run? Who benefited? Who has the power to get it printed? Who?

Posted by Indiana Husky

8:51 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I hope all of the conspiracy talk is a joke. Any potential bad motivations of the Times to write this story now is minuscule compared to the magnitude of what they are reporting. I am deeply saddened by this story. It makes me ashamed to be a Husky.

I am glad that the Times has reported this because I think it is important to remember these mistakes. Sure, Jerramy Stevens, RN, and Barbara Hedges are easy to blame for this problem. But to use RN's words, weren't we all a little "relieved" when we got to keep Stevens on the field. I know that I was. Now, reading these details, I feel ashamed for feeling that.

The real problem is the culture at the UW. I want to win football games, but not if it means that this will ever happen again. I hope we can all use this story not to blame the UW or blame the press, but to learn the importance of integrity in a major athletic program. This is just one of many examples of how bad things can get when we don't demand the best of our student-athletes, our administrators, and our community.

Nate

Posted by Believer

8:52 AM, Jan 28, 2008

There's a lot of smoke there, but there's some fire.

Posted by foodforthought

9:03 AM, Jan 28, 2008

You guys are so blinded by your hate for WSU that you are failing to see the real picture here. Who benefits when we fail? Well, if the failure we are talking about is stadium finance the answer is clearly the Sonics. Who is trying to build a stadium for the Sonics? The Muckleshoot tribe. They have more money than any local company and wield more political power than most people realize.

Posted by huskyfan

9:22 AM, Jan 28, 2008

This isn't anti-UW this is anti-slick rick and any Hedges. UW recruting wont be hurt if naything UCLA's will.

Posted by JohnQ

9:34 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Day two, nothing new...again. Thanks for bringing to light the impressions of the prosecutors who didn't like watching Pharms play when they believed he shot someone. Great job bringing those previously unreported facts into light.


Posted by james

10:21 AM, Jan 28, 2008

The truth hurts, but how does this reflect negatively on the current program? Different AD, different coach. I don't get why people are SO aggravated and think that this is a conspiracy of some sort by the Times.

Posted by Mountain Man

10:26 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Bob,

Bull---t.

MM

Posted by Gregory

10:32 AM, Jan 28, 2008

How about this series, "Yet Another Year With no NCAA Violations at UW. Seattle Times Laments." But I guess that would be a pretty short series.

Dirt sells papers and you couldn't find any - that's the reason for digging up 8-year-old news and re-printing it.

This is a ridiculous story and your defense of it is even more ridiculous. Shame on the Times.

Posted by thunder67, Rancho Cordova CA

10:46 AM, Jan 28, 2008

A few thoughts on the series:

First of all, the people criticizing the Times for reporting “old news,” need to pay closer attention to what the paper is reporting. Doesn't it clearly state in the series overview from Sunday's paper and in Bob's statement in the blog that the legal documents in this case were just released.

We have seen many times where a story is reported in depth years after it took place, simply due to that fact. As I read things, much was swept under the carpet back in 2000.

I have no problem with the series coming out now. It provides a very educational retrospective of what was happening behind the scenes back then. I am sure by the end of the series, the Times will draw a parallel to the issues of today's program, but I already have. As for the Times doing a “hack” job on the University, considering the timing of the story, I don't buy that for a second. Regardless of when you run a story like this there will be fallout, whether it's the stadium issue, recruiting, UW coaching or whether it would have impacted the hiring of Rick Neuheisel at UCLA. Even though he's there, and had already been questioned about his past problems, I would not be surprised at all if he's been called into the UCLA AD's or President's office to explain further.

I refuse to put the blame on the myriad of problems in 2000 completely on Neuheisel or Hedges without more evidence to back them up. However, the story gives a perception of an athletic department that was somewhat out of control.

Contrast that with what you have now. You may not like the recent lack of success of the football program, but I will take Tyrone Willingam rebuilding the program over four or five years, even with all the losing over what we had back in 2000. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Rose Bowl win, I enjoyed the season, but I cannot in any way support a culture, whomever was responsible for it, that turned a seemingly blind eye to rapes and attempted murders. If that's what it takes to win football games, I'd rather be 0-12.

I see Tyrone Willingham as a man of integrity. That's not to say there won't be players on the team that are or have been in trouble with the law. But, I think Willingham will be far more strict with those players. When someone messes up, they are certainly entitled to a chance to redeem themselves. But, as I read the Jeremey Stevens story in Sunday's paper, it really appears that he not only got a second chance, but a third, fourth, fifth....(you get my point). It also appears as though he has yet to learn from it. Maybe if he was suspended back in 2000 or before, or required to spend more jail time and (not or) even put in some community service, things could be different. It may have been the difference between a Rose Bowl and the Holiday Bowl, it may have been the difference between winning the final game of the year or losing, but it also may have been the difference in a young man's life that has been nothing but problems. I would have been disappointed had they not gone to or won the Rose Bowl that year, but in retrospect...knowing now what I did not know then, I would have much preferred the alternative, had that been what it took to turn the lives of Stevens, Pharms or anyone else to be mentioned in the further chapters of this story.

The losing has been frustrating. I agree with that. Watching Washington's defense this year has been like watching a sieve as I allow the water to separate from pasta that I had just boiled. But, it's really clear to me that if you want to play for Tyrone Willingham, you have to be a person of character.

I do not agree with a win at all costs mentality. College football players are still in the growing up phase. Yes winning is important. However, it is far more important that the coaches, professors, parents and other people of influence in the players lives work towards developing them into quality individuals of moral character. Isn't that more important that winning football games on Saturday afternoon?

Posted by poster

11:05 AM, Jan 28, 2008

There is a lot of useless chatter in response to this article. Anti-UW nitwits, and people overly supportive.

I see the problem in "how" the article makes its point, not in what point was made. That is, it would probably be fine to talk about how much of a failure Stevens was (is!), or transgressions of some other players, so long as within the same article there is mention of the perceived state of the program now.

The unbalanced approach to the article detracts from it's message. Provide only half the story (or support those who do), and you lose credibility.

That is not supporting the miscreants of the UW, or any other college program. It is simply asking more of the journalists that report on them.

Posted by thunder67, Rancho Cordova CA

11:09 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Great point, James.

I feel the same way. It's far more important to play by the rules on and off the field, than it is to break them, and let people get away with it. And if this is the difference between going to the Rose Bowl and winning just five or six games, then so be it.

Just think, you are sending a message to all of these players that as long as you can play football and help win games, you are above the law. How does that prepare them for life after football.

I wonder if those upset with this series are just angry because it puts a stain on an otherwise incredible football season (on the field, that is). I wonder if people have a tough time coming to grips with that, because they fear it's the only way to win. The sense that I get is that it's okay if all of this happened, as long as no one finds out. But the reality is, NO IT'S NOT!!!!!!

If you want someone to blame for the tarnished image of the 2000 team, don't blame the Times for doing its job. BLAME THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY COMMITTED THE CRIMES! BLAME THOSE WHO COVERED IT UP! BLAME ANY ACCOMPLICES!

Please keep in mind, if none of this ever happened, there would not be anything for the Times to report then, now, eight years from now or anytime in the future.

Posted by Husky_for_life

11:16 AM, Jan 28, 2008

This article is fricking disgusting. How dare the Times publish this article now. There is not another local paper in the country that would drag their local college team through the mud like this. If we were in the SEC, everyone associated with the article would be fired before it went to print. This is a sad turn of events for the Seattle Times, you have now become a tabloid. It is no wonder that Ty and staff will not let the local media have access to his team.

Hearing that you lied to many of the people you interviewed, that this would be a positive piece is all the more unconscionable. This paper has shown a lack on integrity and shown it's chief objective to be tearing down the UW football program at every possible opportunity.

The Seattle Times has managed to show they are guilty of the same lack of ethics and integrity as the subject they are covering. I am so appalled by the timing of this. Hearing that you are going to drag Curtis Williams through the mire tomorrow flabbergasts me. This is a man that gave his life for Husky football. I wish you would rethink your decision. To kick a man when he is already dead smirks of the worst type of sensationalism.

Just because you can do something (write this drivel), doesn't mean you should write it.

Posted by thunder67, Rancho Cordova CA

11:17 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I read that one poster is upset that while the problems of Stevens and Pharms have been put in the public eye by this story, there is no mention of the state of the program now.

Remember, this is a series. One story ran Sunday, another today, and there are two more days of the story. When everything has been printed, the entire story needs to be taken as a whole.

I would agree wholeheartedly with your criticism if that information is not included in the future accounts that will undoubtedly be printed in the coming days. But you have to understand how a newspaper series works. It's just like the chapters of a book.

This is a four chapter story. In the end, I have full confidence that everything will be tied together.

Posted by fudazz

11:19 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Why is it that the assertion is made that if we question Ty's ability (look at his record)or if question the Seattle Times motives as to the timing of the release of this series, that we are accused of having a win at any cost mentality. Can't there be success on the field to go along with success in the classroom and in society? Does this mean that every winning program at the college level in the US is dirty, or is that a distinction reserved for the UW?

Check this out on a UCLA blogsite. This apparently what makes news down there, not what the Seattle Times writes.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/ucla-football/

http://www.bcs-sucks.com/RN.wav

Posted by JUST CANCELLED

11:19 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I just cancelled my Times subscription (since mid 70's) enough is enough. Bob...you are so full of bullsh*t! The excuses you give about why this article was written and why is is running now are transparent lies, it is so obvious.

Posted by 78dawg

11:19 AM, Jan 28, 2008

I'm sorry Bob, but I can't frequent a newspaper that puts out this material without having a fair and balanced telling of both sides of the story. I think the series is incomplete and lacks actual "investigating." I love your blog and love reading and commenting on the huskies, but I can't support the Times any more. I'm attaching my comments to today's article.

Good luck Bob and go Dawgs!

--78dawg--


"What about all the non-athlete students who rape, steal, & murder and aren't incarcerated because of lack of evidence or well paid legal counsel? I know this series is about what athletes "got away" with, but there are also thousands of criminals walking free that I don't see the Seattle Times chasing down. Is there an unsolved crimes unit at the Times working day and night? I seriously question the integrity of this newspaper and am not going to subscribe as I previoulsy had chosen to do. I am also going to get the rest of my family to end their subscriptions as well."

Posted by contemplative fan

11:22 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Is there another news outlet in the country that abuses the freedom of information act like the times does? This is the second time in a month that the Seattle times has used this tool to attack the University of Washington.

I can't recall this freedom abused to the degree that the Seattle Times abuses it. Why do the Seattle papers have such a hatred for the UW? I am appalled at the lack of judgement.

Posted by poster

11:33 AM, Jan 28, 2008

In response to thunder67:

I did actually consider the multiple articles in this series, but I disagree with any assertion that this allows each article to not be quality journalism. I certainly hope the remaining articles complete the story, but that does not fully explain the unbalance in the first article. So, fair game to talk about the history of the program, but I honestly believe it could have been done much better.

If it was a deliberate act of omission solely to stir up the readers, that reeks of Geraldo and Springer, probably not the kind of investigative journalism that most Times readers prefer.

Posted by Steve

11:41 AM, Jan 28, 2008

This is ridiculous. Husky nation is up in arms over A GAME. FOOTBALL IS A GAME. I don't know how that fact is so easy to forget. People are on here canceling subscriptions and head hunting over a GAME. Lest we forget the impact these football players are having on these peoples' lives they are ruining. Where is the sympathy for that poor girl in the article yesterday? Where is the sympathy for all the people that low-life Pharms beat up or shot? Why are you sacrificing your principals and THE LAW for A GAME?!??

And guess what? While all of you ignore what happened to those people and justify what our players did (or straight out claim that we should forget about it and move on), you are doing the exact same thing that we all crucify Slick Rick and Hedges for doing! So from now on, when you want to jump on Rick and Hedges for ignoring the problems and taking a "football before all" mentality, look in the mirror and remember that you did the same thing. And then stop blaming them- blame ourselves for creating that culture where such behavior is ok. Of course, until you get caught, and then we will throw you under the bus and start acting like we are all holier-than-thou.

Also, these stories usually need to be reported on years later. Only then can we see the entire body of work put together. And the entire story STILL hasn't been played out- Stevens is still in legal trouble as is Pharms. Only years later can we see what those people have done since that time and how everything played out.

And as far as jumping on the paper for reporting it... they are just that, a PAPER! They have a responsibility to report the news, and all of the news, whether it is pro-local teams or not. I would rather have a paper that reported this stuff than one that just told me Pharms was a great father with a loving family. Get over yourselves and remember that this is A GAME and we should not sacrifice our principals and live in ignorance of the truth.

Posted by rickdawg

11:42 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Weasel was quite a liar and that's a big reason for his dismissal which started our current tailspin. Sounds like it also cost the Cleveland Browns a critical draft pick. You only hope that UCLA will get the same problems that Colorado and UW got. He left both programs in shambles. More than we knew. I think that explains the timing of the article. I, for one, am happy with the timing since UCLA is unlikely to reverse their decision now. You only hope he does what he's done - cheat, lie, and destroy another program. It's UCLA's turn.

Posted by Sarah

11:48 AM, Jan 28, 2008

The University of Washington is in Seattle. So the Seattle Times writes about it more than other universities. Why is this so hard for everyone to grasp? Is the LA times getting complaints because there aren't enough stories on the UW? I doubt it.

Posted by beaver believer

11:52 AM, Jan 28, 2008

Go beavers

Posted by thunder67, Rancho Cordova CA

12:05 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Well said, Steve

Posted by Guest

12:18 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Here is a link to a CNNSI columnist's take on the "excellent" series The Times is running, his opinion it will NOT affect UW recruiting, and his opinion that it should make UCLA cringe.

Thanks to John_S for coming across this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/andy_staples/01/28/recruiting.notebook/1.html

Posted by Kyle

12:22 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Dear Seattle Times,
I am writing you to express my outrage over your victory and ruins so called
mini series. Other than a splashy headline to sell papers, I am not sure what
you are trying to accomplish with these stories. You claim there are new
documents that shed more light on events that took place over 8 years ago.
Please tell me what is new about anything in these stories. I was at UW during
these years and there was an immense amount of coverage regarding all aspects of
these events. This is old news! And this hurts the University for no reason
other than for you to sell more papers. The editors of the Times and PI are
doing a good job of making enemies out of otherwise loyal readers, I hope it was
worth it because this Dawg fan as well as many others are canceling our Times
subscription.

What's next a expose about Don James and the violactions in the early 90's. I
bet you guys have some new documents on that also. What a JOKE!!


send complaints to
victoryandruins@seattletimes.com

Posted by Guest

12:45 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Kyle,
How are the editors of the PI involved?

Posted by Jay

12:47 PM, Jan 28, 2008

After hearing a couple players interviewed on KJR explain how the Times mislead them about the article I must say that I will miss reading your blog. You have been an excellent source of information over the years and it disappoints me to say you are officially being taken off my navigation bar.

I wish you luck in your new career as a tabloid journalist. Have fun covering Britney Spears.

Posted by caineman

12:56 PM, Jan 28, 2008

I just heard the Husky players on KJR.
The Times lied to these players.
Yellow Jounalism
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The Seattle Times Sucks.................

Posted by Mike

1:06 PM, Jan 28, 2008

You know, I bleed Husky purple. I've been a Husky fan nearly my whole life. I'm a proud UW grad and want the football team to be elite year in and year out.

But those of you criticizing the Times for this seriously have your priorities out of whack.

Good journalism tells the truth, even about some of our sacred cows. Norm Maleng's reputation was stellar and will take a hit now. Curtis Williams may not have been, in life, a person we would want to emulate and I guess we'll learn more of that tomorrow.

I appreciate hearing these hard truths, so long as they are well-researched and accurate. Congrats to the Times for telling us what we don't want to hear.

Posted by Rose Bowl $hame

1:06 PM, Jan 28, 2008

As a life long Seattle resident and former UW fan I am shocked and embarrassed at what I read on the majority of these posts. How can you feel that the UW has been wronged by the Times when all they have done is report the truth in an effort to inform the public about the state of affairs in UW athletic department not all that long ago.

The UW brought this on themselves. Just in the past few months they have run out of town an A.D. who put school ahead of sports, tried to run out of town a good guy coach, put $100k targets on their heads, and asked for $150 million from the state when the economy is starting to weaken. The arrogance is off the charts. The Times is educating the public on a department out of control and hopes that everyone will learn from it.

The only victims here are the ones who had crimes committed against them. Not the UW.

I say shut the doors down at Husky stadium. I've had enough. The rest of the athletic department is having success whether it be volleyball, soccer, or crew. The city and state does not need this type of embarrassment.

The last two rose bowl trips have either ended with probation or humiliation. The cost is just too high.

The football factory should be closed. Turner had it right. The boosters and fans have lost all perspective.

Posted by tucannonriv

1:23 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Steve,

You, and many others, are missing an important point here. It is a travesty that this story was not run when Dan Satterberg was running for KC prosecutor. Why the silence from the Times regarding the gross misconduct of the KC prosecutors office?

The details here are nauseating, JP and JS seeming sociopaths. But, pray tell, where was the Times in their reporting when this information could have really had an impact? Through either indifference, laziness or incompetence the Times failed by holding this story during the KC prosecutors election. This "project" is timed and designed purely for sensational purposes, nothing more. Times

You're right, football is just a game. Our KC Prosecutors dereliction of duty is where your indignation would be better placed.

Posted by Jason

1:57 PM, Jan 28, 2008

CONGRATS NICK PERRY AND KEN ARMSTRONG!!! YOU'RE MICHAEL MOORE IMPRESSION WAS FLAWLESS!!!

Posted by Steve

2:01 PM, Jan 28, 2008

tucannonriv,

The "why now?" question is a good one, and one that I certainly can't answer. The impact of this article on the Satterberg campaign would have been substantial. I can only volunteer my conjecture. My best guess is I doubt the Stevens case was the first place anyone looked to come up with dirt. Maybe this info was available then, and maybe it wasn't. If it wasn't, then it would have taken a great deal of investigation to really get to this kind of detail. Also, I bet the Seattle Times had better things to do than dig up dirt on the KC prosecutor election. Of course that lends itself to saying that the Seattle Times has better things to report on than 7 year old stories, but your guess is as good as mine. You must remember that had the Times run this article during the election, they would have felt just as much heat from Satterberg and his supporters about the Times' agenda against his campaign etc etc. No matter when it comes out, someone is going to have an issue with the timing of articles such as these.

The recent happenings on Montlake lend itself to this investigation much more directly than a KC prosecutor election. When the President has quotes to the effect of how the UW job is one of the harder rebuilding jobs in the country "probably more so than people know," and the former AD gives quotes about the overvaluation of winning at the UW- these stories are a direct consequence. Asking questions like "Well, how hard of a rebuilding job is it?" and "How important has winning been to UW in the past" become very material.

Also, I think this article does have an impact today. It gives great perspective and reminds us as to where UW is and how it has (hopefully) changed. It even gives me more respect for Ty to have taken over this job when he did. Obviously other people believe this story has made an impact as well, given the few hundred comments on this board.

Posted by Pullman Feed and Grain

2:09 PM, Jan 28, 2008

How many Pharms in the 2008 recruiting Class?

Posted by Rondo Shondo

2:17 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Ok,OK, this is total BS given the headline at www.seattletimes.com

The headline totally makes it sound as if this happened during the last season. Any reasonable person could make deduction.

The headline should quickly make note that is from a WHILE ago, and should not be the main headline to begin with.

The main headline should be for CURRENT news.

Amateurs.

Posted by huskiefan@aol.com

2:33 PM, Jan 28, 2008

If nothing else, this expose, however slanted or biased, shows how much of a disaster Hedges and Slick Rick were. This would simply have NEVER happened with Don James and Mike Lude. EVER....ever......ever. Thanks to Bill Gerberding for hiring that witch......I can't believe she still draws a pension. It should be cut off to help fund the Campaign for the Student Athlete, which she lied about. And to have a building on campus named after Gerberging is an embarassment to anyone who has even driven by Husky Stadium.

Posted by tucannonriv

2:49 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Steve,

Nice try at defending this but your attempt was as weak as Bob's yesterday. Virtually ALL of the relevant infornmation was well known, long ago.

If it is to defend Turner, why not when he was canned? If to defend Ty, why not when his seat was truly "hot".

This is a sensationalism-based hack job clothed as investigative reporting. It reeks of ulterior motives on behalf of the Times. What could those motives be? I haven't a clue.

Posted by Matt

3:01 PM, Jan 28, 2008

The Seattle Times has once again proven why they are against sports in Seattle. It is a liberal paper that is agenda based. These articles serve very little purpose yet hurt a tradition rich school that is moving in the right direction. Let victims relive their pain and make a large group of young men looked troubled. Out of the 85 or so players on a team the Times has stirred the pot with only a small minority of players. Why not write an article about Marques Tuiasosopo or another player from that team has provided for their community? It doesn't sell papers. Keep creating stories to report and the Times will go the direction of so many other papers across the nation, out of business! I have cancelled my paper!

Posted by Steve

3:08 PM, Jan 28, 2008

tucannonriv,

You're right, it was the guy on the grassy knoll. Maybe this isn't some kind of conspiracy theory and these are just FACTS. There have been all kinds of rumors and uproar around UW lately, so why is it so offbase for there to be a story on it? Why does a story that doesn't put UW in the best light automatically mean they are out to get us? These are facts, they aren't made up, and we can't run from them or pawn them off on someone else.

What a knee-jerk reaction to point the finger at someone else and make them out to be the bad guy as soon as adversity comes around.

Posted by RudeDawg

3:17 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Well, I cancelled my subscription and I'll never read this blog again.

Posted by Vantucky

3:37 PM, Jan 28, 2008

It is intersting how the DAWG mind works. No one here has mentioned that the urgency to win was in part due to the Husky fans who wanted to bring back the Don James era. Take the feed back, cancell your subscribtions etc; quit complaining and move on. Everyone knows that all UW players are thugs.

Posted by David

3:49 PM, Jan 28, 2008

I swear, if they cast CURTIS WILLIAMS in a bad light tomorrow (sounds like he's the subject/victim tomorrow, there will be hell to pay... literally.

... SO disappointed in the writers... it's their right, yes, but come on, have some respect.

Posted by Chris Scott

4:04 PM, Jan 28, 2008

The problem with the article is “Why Now?” The vast majority of facts surrounding the Jerramy Stevens, Anthony Vonture, Jerremiah Pharms and Curtis Williams cases were available years ago. To print this article during the end of recruiting season, right after the University asked for stadium funding and a couple of weeks after the Emails to President Emmert article, has to make you question the intentions of the Seattle Times.

To print this “series” on the Front Page in lights, rather than the Sports Section is also a rather bizarre decision. Who besides Husky football fans and sports fans in general will take the time to read a rather long article on Husky football? The Times obviously would have to know that the reaction of the Husky faithful would be a very negative reaction. What reaction were the Times hoping to generate from the average Joe reader?

Why bring up the past transgressions of Vonture and Williams who are now deceased? Why make their friends and family have to read negative remarks years after the fact about their lost loved one? On top of that, you make a victim of sexual assault, relive her worst moment all over again and you question the integrity of a now deceased King County Prosecutor, who is held in very high regard within the community. He cannot defend himself or his Office for the decisions they made regarding the cases of Stevens, Pharms and Williams.

While the criminal activity of the above players is alarming, to lump the whole team of 85+ players in with a select few is irresponsible. It is very misleading to define this team as a team of criminals. For every Stevens, Pharms and Vonture, there is a Tui, Matt Rodgers, Greg Carothers and Braxton Clemen. Every team in the country has players that do not play by the rules or follow the law. To try and infer that the UW is distinctly different than other schools is very wrong.

This “series” most likely will come full circle and show how Tyrone Willingham and Todd Turner have changed the culture at UW, but this “series” does little to show both sides through today’s piece. The drum has been beating at the Times in a negative way towards Washington athletics for a long period of time. I just do not see this piece is relevant to today’s University of Washington’s football program. This culture of “criminals” is too far in the past to be tied in with the program of today.

I am sorry Bob, but while I love reading your articles on Husky football and basketball, I don’t know how you will be able to look anybody in the eye on the campus of Washington again. While you did not write this “series”, you work for the Times and since we are lumping 85+ players in with a few bad apples, I must assume that we should lump you in with a few Ambulance chasing journalists at the Seattle Times. The Seattle Times lost a customer and I now will have to look forward to Jim Moore in the Seattle PI. At least he understands that his articles are crap when he sits down to write them.

Posted by FloridaHusky

4:12 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Thank YOU Chris Scott!

Perfectly stated!!!

Posted by fudazz

5:25 PM, Jan 28, 2008

"Everyone knows that all UW players are thugs"
Vantucky you've just proved the effect the Times article has on the ignorant.

RIGHT ON CHRIS SCOTT! THANK YOU!

Posted by NCAA VIOLATION ?

5:30 PM, Jan 28, 2008

I am a former student Athlete of WSU.

I have a question for you all about a specific piece of this story....

Why it's not an NCAA VIOLATION for Mike Hunsinger ( Dirtbag UW Football Rape defense specialist. in my opinion )
to charge 95% discounted rates for UW Student Athletes ? He's charged these kids HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS. He BRAGS about "feeling good" when he gets a check for $5... SEE THE ARTICLE... Search for Hunsinger.

This is clear, published preferential treatment for athletes isn't it ?
OJ Mayo / USC is being 'looked at' cause Mayo got FREE tickets to an NBA Game from Carmelo Anthony.
Ummm, how about 95% discount on highly expensive legal fees, "because i'm a UW football player".
Other sports may not get the same benefits, BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY FOR THE PROGRAM.

I will now do something I shouldn't, but I will because I'm a COUG and of good heart and spirit..
I'm going to teach UW how to "fix this", since their reputation is being HAMMERED right now.

FREE STEPS TO FIX YOUR PROGRAM IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.
1. Stop responding in these blogs with "it's not fair", "why us", "nice timing", "this is too old", "we won in 1991"
2. Admit your problems. ( Football victories are most important above all else, and you've made bad judgements )
3. Explain to the public ( in UW's case, the people who pay the bills as a public institution ) how you are going to fix them. I'd vote NO for any stadium funding because I don't like the mega-arrogant UW. Others will vote no, because who wants to fund this type of behavior. We're not talking about a new science lab, we're talking about building a bigger, better stadium, where they can recruit MORE DIRTBAGS... But who cares, it's all about Wins !
4. Fix them. See step 3.
5. Wait.

This is free because you're a school in the state I was raised and I'm trying to help those that cannot help themselves ( pity ). I'm not giving you this free because you won the Football championship 17 years ago when I was in Junior High in Kirkland.

Aaron/Renton

Posted by Tacoma Coug

5:50 PM, Jan 28, 2008

DawgsFan12 - "Tacoma Coug :

We aren't all throwing a hissy fit and defending Stevens."

I never said anyone is defending Stevens. But the vast majority of people on here are throwing fits and whining and crying about bias and conspiracy.

udubwillbeback- "....Will derting, a so called "star" linebacker was charged with a DUI. you know why no one cares, cause he went to WSU, where partying, sex, drugs and illegal acts are a part of culture that embraced there."

Will Derting did get a DUI. That's a far cry from raping, robbing and shooting people. He also got in trouble for it, went to court, paid a fine, went to a class and sat out a game. That's a lot more than anyone on the UW football team got for doing a lot worse. As for the sex, drugs and illegal acts that are embraced there, you obviously have little idea of what you're talking about.

Shorey - "Didn't wsu try its darndest to recruit Jerramy Stevens and Randy Estes. Some prett hypocritical peops out here."

I couldn't tell you, but they probably did. However, that does not mean that they would have let him get away with doing what he did.

Eugene Husky @ 7:58 AM - Your comment is too long to paste it on here. Suffice to say, It proves beyond a doubt that you are indeed a purple blooded Husky. It's also apparent that you do live in Eugene as some of that Duck attitude seems to be rubbing off on you.

UMMMMM - "I again challenge the Times to do a story on WSU and the misconduct of their players over the past 10 years......Won't do it, will you? Again, unfairly baised against the UW is an understatement in explaining the Seattle Media (Times and it's BS Staff in particular)."

I'll do the story for you right now. Will Derting got a DUI(see above). Running Back Kevin McCall accused of 4th degree sexual assault, serves 45 days in jail. Pitiotua gets a DUI, 2 days in jail, fine, and sits out a game. Not that the cougar players have always been angels, but nothing like the UW players. Also, as you'll notice, our players actually got punished. That's the real difference and it's what this article is really about.

WSU Hater - "Who gains when we lose? WSU. That's where I would look first if I was investigating this conspiracy."

Yes, it's all a big conspiracy and WSU is behind all of it, they were from the very beginning. You're exactly right.

Dawg Daze - "Or maybe I am just a person who believes that tax-payers money should go to institutions and projects that help our society. UW football is a boil on the ass of our community and should be lanced."

This is brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I love it.

Well, it's been fun, but I think I've pissed off enough people for now. Good night.

Posted by NOT NCAA VIOLATION

6:41 PM, Jan 28, 2008

I retract my question of whether Hunsinger(lawyer)was involved in violations for special treatment to athletes... Condotta pointed out to me that he offers this to others outside of Husky Football.
- Sorry if that point added to the fire..

But my free steps to fix this are still there for your consumption.

Aaron / Renton

Posted by Husky Legend

7:15 PM, Jan 28, 2008

I don't see the relevance in this story. Why is it coming out now? This is old news. I love the Times, but I have to admit that I'm upset over this.

Posted by T-Town

7:32 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Husky Legend, when is it a good time hear bad news?

Posted by Godawgs

7:35 PM, Jan 28, 2008

The 2000 Huskys learned a good life set skill...hire a good lawyer.

Posted by Hallerlakedawg

7:59 PM, Jan 28, 2008

Bob - I am a loyal reader of the Times (and subscriber to the paper version) and daily reader of your husky blogs. I agree with the readers that this is too many years too late and offensive to the kids who have bought into this program, as well as the alumni and supporters of this program. Someone needs to be held accountable in this type of situation. From my perspective, the Seattle Times is in complete disarray. I appreciate the freedoms of our media, but I expect a better job than the tabloid like stories published on the front cover of a struggling newspaper. Still loyal to your blogs, Bob.

Posted by PharmsPants

10:33 PM, Jan 28, 2008

If this is the Times basis for the story, then why is there NEVER a investigative report concerning Washington State University and it's Football Program. Remember, they had 3, 10 win seasons in a row and if you and your BS staff will PLEASE remember.....HOW MANY RUN IN's WITH THE LAW DID KIDS ON THOSE TEAMS HAVE? Do the math. I bet it's a lot more than what you're reporting concerning the "out of control" UW of 8/mind you (8!) years ago!

Yeah UMMMM we had a lot of guys urinating in their pants and shooting drug dealers during those three 10 win seasons. Give me a break. Don't bring us into your mess.

Posted by WH

7:57 PM, Jan 29, 2008

As a die hard husky fan I realize that when slick Rick was here he skated the thin line between legal issue and legal problems with the players. The husky fans that called for Jim Lambright's head are the ones who brought slick Rick and his legal team and recruits with questionable backgrounds to the beloved halls of Montlake. Jim Lambright who has bleed husky purple for his entire career was not the recruiter that Rick was and is today. Rick was able to hire the legal team and the recruits he wanted. With Rick’s legal background he knew exactly what his players could do off the field to still be eligible for Saturday. He also knew who to hire for his players and himself to keep out of trouble until he caught a case of March stupidness. It is just so sad that the stories are coming out so late. Facts are facts and there are no denials from any players, their families or the Seattle police and prosecuting attorneys. We need to know just how out of control our huskies were when boosters, not the university controlled the program, because the rebuilding football program can not let TW be run out of the program for refusing to give scholarships to athletes with off the field problems. I question the timing on the basis that these archaic stories are coming out so near recruit signing day. The husky program for the most part has been out of the legal pages and solely on the sports pages until this series ran. Is this a warning to the university to be careful in their next AD candidate to beware of what has happened in the past when good character was not at the top of the list for recruits to have? TW has brought in good character recruits and the program is heading in the right direction, from what the public knows there are no more Billy Joe Hoberts or JP’S or JS’S or CW’S here. So why now, I can only hope that these stories do not scare away recruits and their families and force the new AD or new coach’s to recruit questionable moral players again.
Warmest regards to all Huskies, and to the reporters and editors who selected now to run these stories, remember that cougars forget and Huskies never die!
WH

Posted by yserious

1:53 PM, Jan 31, 2008

hey, UW, how many felons are you currently recruiting? It is always a bit more interesting with rapist, thugs, and gang-bangers on your football team. GO HUSKIES (LOSERS)

Posted by domer

8:07 PM, Jan 31, 2008

The reporters made nothing up, they simply reported the facts. The shame lies squarely at the feet of the administration and the fans who seek to hide this fact with their cries of anti-UW bias.

Posted by CFB Fan

12:55 PM, Feb 01, 2008

Puh-leeze! All you diehard Huskies fans should be ashamed that these a-holes that call themselves "student" athletes get a free pass every time they break the law. A woman was raped, and all people care about is how this will affect recruiting! Unbelievable.

Posted by Brendan

3:20 PM, Feb 01, 2008

We beat Purdue in the Rose Bowl that year. I heard that someone affiliated with writing this column is an alumni from there.

Posted by clea

3:01 PM, Feb 11, 2008

Washington Court of Appeals agrees there is a claim and remands to trial court. Link to opinion below.


Feb. 11, 2008 - 58335-2 - S.s. & P.l., Appellants V. Roc Alexander And The University Of Washington, Respondents
http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/?fa=opinions.disp&filename=583352MAJ

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