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January 10, 2008 3:46 PM

A few thoughts on today's story

Posted by Bob Condotta

Today's story elicited some vast, heated, and mixed reaction, so I'll try to respond to a few of the general questions that have arisen.

Why now? We wrote the story now simply because it was timely now. There remained a lot of questions about what happened, and why, and since we had what we thought was some new information that would lend a new perspective to it, we published it now. Simple as that.

Why don't you write something like this about the Cougars? I would argue that we treat all the sports teams that we cover fairly, and in the same light. But for general questions about our coverage, you should ask our sports editor Cathy Henkel, whose e-mail address is chenkel@seattletimes.com.

Why are you always picking on the Huskies? I would argue, as some commenters have done, that the story isn't necessarily "positive'' or "negative'' but is simply just reporting what is there. Again, there were some questions about what happened, and why, and this is some of what we found when we looked into it more deeply.

As for the blog, happy to get back to "more mundane'' football matters now, so in that light, want to make sure you saw ESPN's list of the top 10 individual college football seasons that includes Al Worley's 14 interceptions in 1968 at No. 6. That's three more than UW had this season as a team.

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Posted by topdawgnc

4:07 PM, Jan 10, 2008

The real story has been glossed over.

The Times sure painted Mr. Hansen and Mr. McCann to be evil boosters because they believed Ty failed and they wanted change.

What never was questioned was who cordinated the December 4th e-mails from the NAACP, Shaun Alexander, and Jeff Kemp. All hit within four hours of each other...Kemp's and Alexander's hit within four MINUTES of each other on December 4th...

It is not fair and balanced to point out Hansen and McCann...but not equally vette the others who had equal but opposite agendas.

Alexander also made his e-mail out to Tyrone Willingham...not President Emmert. Anybody find that a little odd?

Finally, will the Times be publishing all the letters...or just the ones that make their case?

Posted by wow

4:10 PM, Jan 10, 2008

WOW NICE pic bob!! Nice do! I like the old pic waayyyy better!!

Posted by estrone

4:13 PM, Jan 10, 2008

So we return to the orginal question Bob, which is what are you trying to imply? The new information is that boosters suggested that firings would lead to gifts to the law school (not transferable to the athletic department).

So are you saying that $100K got Turner fired?

You keep saying new information should shed more light on decisions.

New information is $200K. decisions are Turner fired Ty retained? So what are you saying here?

Posted by registrar

4:16 PM, Jan 10, 2008

"I would argue that we treat all the sports teams that we cover fairly, and in the same light."

Your argument holds no water in light of the mountain of evidence to the contrary.

Posted by Godawgs

4:21 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Has anybody heard why Bradly Roussel is looking at TULANE

Posted by Jake

4:25 PM, Jan 10, 2008

What I find truly amazing that in-between the DC firing, AD firing, fan base clamoring for Ty's head, being spurned by DeWayne Walker, and losing two straight games to end the season (am I missing something?) is the solid recruiting class the Ty is putting together.

Posted by 206dogg

4:25 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Huh... Bob sounds iritated in his answers that we as bloggers and readers would question his reporting. Even the way he paraphrases the bloggers questions wreaks of iritation.

Bob, as i said in my first post ever, I never blog on this thing (although, it is fun). Can't help it this time. The article and your responses are dripping with arrogance. My advice, don't get irritated with us bloggers. Take our feedback and digest it. Use what is helpful to better your skills as a journalist and then toss out the rest. Getting defensive and arrogant isn't the response needed.

That is just this single "206" representatives opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

Posted by Guest

4:34 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob,

Thanks for your explanation.

Posted by Toby

4:41 PM, Jan 10, 2008

206dogg,

You are the annoying one on here. How can you criticize Bob but then imply he has no right to defend himself, and that he should just digest all of the feedback? If someone you work with criticized your work, I bet you would want the chance to state your case.

WHY would Bob want to destroy the Huskies' image? In this instance, us fans did it to ourselves, and the newspaper reported about it. The newspaper is not owned by the UW... so why should it only repor the good news?

And for the question about why stories like this never get written about WSU ... well, first you have to actually make $100K before you can bribe someone with it.

Posted by Bow Down!

4:41 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Godawgs,

According to Realdawg.com, Roussel does not have a written offer from the Huskies. He's not a solid verbal because he does not have the written offer. He wants to be a Dawg but the coaches are onto other PSA's that are higher on their board. If we don't get those other PSA's, then he should get the written offer.

GO DAWGS!!

Posted by John

4:42 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Estrone, why can't you get it through your head that nothing is being "implied?" He reported the information that he had. He didn't attempt to put any spin on it or imply anything. Draw your own conclusions and leave your emotion out of your reasoning process.

Posted by John

4:44 PM, Jan 10, 2008

206dogg, all the tone that you are accusing Bob of taking is IN YOUR HEAD. Why can't you see that you are currently emotional and not thinking properly?

Posted by Dignan

4:56 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Wow, Bob, nice last sentence to this blog entry to put the icing on the cake. Why anyone would think the Times has an agenda is BEYOND ME...I hope you see my sarcasm.


The timing of this article is a complete joke. With LOI day right around the corner, the Times is attempting to start more UW controversy yet again.

After a difficult season on the field, Coach W is putting together a very solid class, will be ugrading the coaching staff very soon, and was just honered by his peers. This team is ready to take the next step to 7-8 wins.


I liked your blog during the season Bob...what happened?

Posted by mattysimone

4:58 PM, Jan 10, 2008

why havent they offered russell? are you kidding me? hes gonna commit elsewhere while the Udub is on a fantasy hunt for another kid like we did with walker. Then he will be gone just like english was while ucla and walker were playin us. as for the 100k booster I also wonder why this was reported so late? I have a bad feeling the recruits are gonna start jumpin, I also have a bad feeling this is like a rumble at rainer and its only a matter of time before some real drama goes down at the dub. I hope im wrong as ive been going to games for 20 years. thank god polk is enrolled! any other word on the DC candidate from the redskins?

Posted by Torey

5:01 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Real Drama at UW = Manufactuered News

Always keep that in mind Matty. Misguided boosters wanting to help alma mater improve exists at 300 other schools.

Posted by bellingham husky

5:04 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Here's what I got from the article:

1.) Some people have entirely too much money. I am and always have been a huge UW football fan. I am an Alumni. If I had that money I would get much more joy helping out some people than forcing two firings and POSSIBLY giving UW a couple more wins.

2.)Nothing new from the emmert and turner proceedings. It was obvious before this article that Turner wanted willingham longer and emmert wanted willingham on a shorter leash. That one of the reasons he got axed, nothing suprising here. I applaud emmert for the decision making up to this point.

Posted by Gordie

5:05 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Look, maybe the only story here is that Ed Hansen is stupid enough not to know that e-mails sent to public officials are not private, confidential messages. But the fact of the matter is every university with an athletic program has self-important, self-entitled, power-hungry, delusional boosters like Ed Hansen. You take away his money threat (which, to be honest, in the grand scheme of UW's budget would be like a kid threatening Burger King that he's taking his $1.09 to Jack in the Box) and all you're left with your typical tantrum-throwing internet blog and message board poster. :)

As for equal coverage of WSU and UW, that's a losing argument not even worth wasting time on. Just ask the sports desks of either the PI or the Times how many disgruntled readers call in to cancel their subscription on the basis that the paper is biased toward the Cougars. And how often those calls are followed by people who want to cancel their subscription because the paper is biased toward the Huskies. People will only see what they want to see, especially when they're as dumb as a bag of rocks.

Posted by MelloDawg

5:16 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Gordie,

You're wrong. You really think you're only left with crazed internet posters? You're making the same mistake Turner did: underestimating the internet. It was the efforts of the anti-Willingham people online which added great support to the firing of Todd Turner. He called them "internet half-brains" and constantly degraded their worth to the program. He was wrong and lost.

Also, the story continues to fester in regards to Turner pulling an end-around and discussing things with the NAACP. Emmert needed to push the budget through the state legislature and with a potential lawsuit coming from the NAACP, he needed to appease both parties. Hence, Turner was axed.

This has way more to do with just one booster, you really think he's the only guy on the table? Hansen's money is chump change compared to what could have been given to the program were Willingham fired.
-------------------------

To those focusing on recruits,

Willingham's "guys" this year will not see the field in 2008. Maybe 2-3 will contribute and likely none will make significant impact. You had better hope for significant improvement on both sides of the ball and for every other team to stagnate. Can we win 8 games? Sure, I think so, but it's equally as likely we win 4-5.

Posted by Old Dawg in BTown

5:17 PM, Jan 10, 2008

If I had as much money as Ed Hansen, I'd offer up $1 million each for the twin losers: Willingham and Turner. I'd also throw in a few hundred K to get a new staff at the Seattle Enquirer (Times).

Posted by ape

5:17 PM, Jan 10, 2008

What does, Hedges,Neuheisel,Hearst owned, Seattle Times, the PI, have in common...California!

Posted by BruinSurfer

5:29 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Waa, Waa, Waa!

What a bunch of cry babies!

The Times has reported what happened.

You don't own the Times, they won't hide things for Tyee club members!

So now you bunch of spoiled children, otherwise known as Huskies, think you shouldn't have the truth told?

Again, your football program is swirling down the toilet bowl, and you all need to admit it!

Posted by NC Husky

5:34 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob and my blog buddies

I think your reporting was fair and ubiased. The bottom line is no one likes to have the skeletons out of the closet. I take the good with the bad in my family. As a UW grad, this is my family as well.

The story will give some ammo to our foes. Just as Bob reported that the new book on the whole Reggie Bush issues were not very positive for USC.

Emmert did clear any questions, if there were any, about Ty being on the hottest of hot seats next season.

I also applaud our former AD for wanting to give Ty a one year extension to prevent the very discussion we are having now about the stability of the program and to allow Ty to finish what he started.

Before all you Ty haters chime in: A one year extension does not mean you can not be fired after year 4 should you place a terrible product on the field! Howvever, it does give the impression to recruits that there is some stability and gives other coaches less ammo with which to steal prospects leaning toward UW.

Posted by vk1950

5:35 PM, Jan 10, 2008

The only way these recruits walk is if Jake Locker has a major injury between now and LOI day... better keep that dude healthy! Jake is why they are signing on, not TW (in my humble opinion)

Posted by Mick

5:48 PM, Jan 10, 2008

i heard Bradley Roussel is looking at Tulane because he's going to major in pre-law and then hopefully he's going to law school and he heard Tulane's law school is better than UW's (that $200,000 might have gone a long way to keep the kid interested in UW's committment to law).

Posted by Tired in Wash

5:59 PM, Jan 10, 2008

First of all I wish people would quit trying to not give TW any credit - now it's 'oh we have a good recruiting class only because of Locker'... uggh. So since 3/4 of the incoming class will redshirt and probably half won't see significant playing time for at least three years - they are coming to UW only for the chance to play with Locker for A YEAR! and that's if he doesn't leave early. They might be stupid, but not that stupid. If you're going to criticize do it, but also give credit when due.

Posted by mr smith

6:01 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob,

GO TO HELL. Leave the drama at home. Don't bring that garbage to work, bro.

How much would it take to get your ass canned? Go back to Pullman. We don't need you.

Posted by Al T

6:02 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob, I don't think you address the criticisms about the editorial nature of the article, and even in your answers you say: "There remained a lot of questions about what happened and why.." So you are still assuming that the emails you dredge up impacted the decision made by Emmert - yet you give no support for that. Still seems like a good story sullied by poor journalism.

Posted by Husky Gaga

6:06 PM, Jan 10, 2008

I just don't understand why the Seattle Times has to air Washingtons dirty laundry, when no other publication in the country goes to such extremes. Could you imagine if some newspaper pulled this crap at an SEC school?

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something. I am very dissapointed in the direction the Seattle Times is going with regards to the UDub.

Posted by f%*$Bob

6:07 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Nice jab about the picks at the end Bob, very fair...

Posted by abg

6:14 PM, Jan 10, 2008

topdawgnc:

"What never was questioned was who cordinated the December 4th e-mails from the NAACP, Shaun Alexander, and Jeff Kemp. All hit within four hours of each other...Kemp's and Alexander's hit within four MINUTES of each other on December 4th..."

So what? So what if Willingham's defenders might (or might not) have 'coordinated' their letters of support. That's neither illegal nor morally wrong. And as a conspiracy, it doesn't qualify.
Why are you so upset?

Posted by Bob Condotta

6:21 PM, Jan 10, 2008

There really was no jab intended on the interceptions comment. I was just trying to put into a little perspective how amazing Al Worley's season was in 1968. Guess I could have pointed out it was also more than four other conference teams had this year, as well, and as many as another. Worley's 14 interceptions is really an amazing feat, is the point of the whole thing.

Posted by Huskthor

6:34 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob,
Is Cathy Henkel a coug?

Posted by DawgDoubter

6:37 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob, wasn't the info about Turner wanting to extend Willingham last off-season already out there either in your publication or somewhere else? I'm sure I read some comments from Turner from last summer talking about his desire to extend Tyrone. Your blog headline "Turner wanted to extend Willingham before season" and calling it a revelation seems to be very late and not accurate.

Posted by Husky_for_life

6:45 PM, Jan 10, 2008

I find it funny how these conspiracy theorists call everyone out when a lot of them ran an organized effort to get Ty fired. Talk about a double standard. God forbid a few of us had the brains to write to the NAACP instead of spending all our time faxing the UW admins.

Emmert knew about the obsessive Ty haters that posted his email, fax and telephone number. I think it is a testament to what a great president Emmert is that he didn't let all this bothersome spamming of his office effect his decision..

Who the heck cares when an email was sent? I guess it's only okay if the Ty haters organize something. Give me a break. Some of us spent just as much time writing Emmert and other organizations to save Ty's job. We just didn't feel the need to post all of our intentions on some message board. Besides, we already knew your strategy, no sense telling you ours. Hope that helps.

Posted by BruinSurfer

6:47 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Waa, Waa, Waa!

What a bunch of cry babies!

The Times has reported what happened.

You don't own the Times, they won't hide things for Tyee club members!

So now you bunch of spoiled children, otherwise known as Huskies, think you shouldn't have the truth told?

Again, your football program is swirling down the toilet bowl, and you all need to admit it!

Posted by johnb

6:51 PM, Jan 10, 2008

I think the story was fine, but dated by about five weeks. To me it seems there is a lot more to be told from different angles. To me it seems somewhat incomplete.

Posted by Bob Condotta

6:51 PM, Jan 10, 2008

To answer a couple questions

--- Not trying to be evasive, but I posted Cathy Henkel's e-mail so that if you have questions for her, you can ask her. So the question for her should be addressed to her.

--- I never reported that Turner wanted to extend Willingham last August and if someone else did, I missed it. I reported that Turner said they would talk about it at the end of the season based on how things went. But that Turner wanted to do it and Emmert wouldn't let him, I'd never heard that before.

Posted by growup

6:53 PM, Jan 10, 2008

I enjoyed reading the story, and have no problem with the conditional donations Ed Hansen offered. The man obviously cares a great deal about the football program and is troubled by the direction it's heading. It's his money, not a University entitlement; he can do with it as he pleases.

Hansen deserves a lot of credit for participating in efforts to establish a branch campus in Everett and for his past and present generosity towards the UW. His personal donation of $50,000 to kick off Everett's UW fundraising drive, and his $500,000 donor advised fund at the Greater Everett Community Foundation are also noble and very generous acts.

Hansen's a successful Alumnus of UW who has been very good to the school. He deserves better than the hate that's been spewed towards him by some here.

Posted by growup

6:54 PM, Jan 10, 2008

I enjoyed reading the story, and have no problem with the conditional donations Ed Hansen offered. The man obviously cares a great deal about the football program and is troubled by the direction it's heading. It's his money, not a University entitlement; he can do with it as he pleases.

Hansen deserves a lot of credit for participating in efforts to establish a branch campus in Everett and for his past and present generosity towards the UW. His personal donation of $50,000 to kick off Everett's UW fundraising drive, and his $500,000 donor advised fund at the Greater Everett Community Foundation are also noble and very generous acts.

Hansen's a successful Alumnus of UW who has been very good to the school. He deserves better than the hate that's been spewed towards him by some here.

Posted by Spider Pig

7:02 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Some of you people are whack. So is Bob supposed to follow up on every single person that sent and email, fax, telephone call as part of the organized effort on the dawgman boards? Give me a break. Is it only okay for the people that wanted Ty fired to coordinate anything?

Some of you people need to take off your anti-mind-control aluminum hats, stop looking for the black helicopter and come to terms that there was a huge part of Husky nation that was doing exactly what you were doing, mainly getting our point across.

Some of you thought it would be better to spend all day clicking on Internet polls, trying to influence the results. Is Bob supposed to get to the end of that conspiracy too? You guys need to face the reality that not everyone believes in your ideology. Quite a few of us believed that Ty was the person for the job and spent a lot of man hours getting our opinion across.

Posted by Jellster

7:10 PM, Jan 10, 2008

So what? So what if Willingham's defenders might (or might not) have 'coordinated' their letters of support. That's neither illegal nor morally wrong. And as a conspiracy, it doesn't qualify.
Why are you so upset?

More of the dawgman whackos. I think the image of them wearing aluminum hats is a good one. I can picture them all in their basements telling mom that they will be right up.

Posted by QuackQuack

7:32 PM, Jan 10, 2008

OTFLMAO!!!
I don't want to flame, but your program is once again a national laughingstock. You guys are such attention whores. LOL All you could come up with is 100,000 grand? Phil uses more then that to blow his nose! If you want to aspire to be Oregon, you guys are going to need to pony it up.

I can see the recruits jumping ship already. Hope they go to a school where the boosters actually have some leverage. OMG this is the funniest thing I've read in months. You guys make the Pac-10 proud!

I anxiously await seeing how you guys can emberass yourself even worse! At least there is basketball season huh?

Posted by bayareahusky

7:46 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob,

I have no problem with the article or its timing, however, I do agree with a few posters that the information you gave on the NAACP was presented in a slightly misleading way.

One important fact:


"...James Bible, the local NAACP president, said he and Emmert never did meet to discuss Willingham...."


was buried in the article, AFTER many insinuations were made about the impact the NCAAP was having on Emmert's decisions behind the scenes.


In general the article definitely takes on a tone which alludes to conspiracy or foul play, when in reality it seems like Emmert made all the right decisions for all the right reasons. This is also validated by Emmert's personal article in the paper today.

Posted by Washington 84

7:52 PM, Jan 10, 2008

I just wish the Seattle Times would go after U$C with the same zeal with which it goes after the Huskies.

Posted by Der DawgVater

8:03 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Good journalism Bob. You'll take some heat for it, but it looked like it was objective and required a lot of research. Keep up the good work.

Posted by DawgDoubter

8:13 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob, thanks for the clarification. Maybe my memory is fading, but I do remember Turner talking extension last off-season. As you point out, it was not put out there clearly that Turner was for it and Emmert was not. So you are right about that point being newsworthy. Keep up the good work Bob.

Posted by MelloDawg

8:22 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Jellster,

Sorry, if you actually knew the information and the sources from which it comes, you'd believe the theories as well.

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Husky_for_life,

If you're a Husky for life, it makes no sense why you want to bring a mediocre coach back to the University of Washington. How long has this "for life" period been? Maybe 20 years? If it's 30+, then your position makes no sense.

But then I'm the lunatic fringe. I need to go put my aluminum helmet back on to keep the aliens from reading my thoughts.

Sadly, if Willingham doesn't win 8 games next year, he'll be reading the job wire for new jobs.

-----------------------------

That said, we all know what the campaigns will be by the Typologists next year:

1. The players are too young.
2. Our schedule was too hard.
3. We were THAT close in games.


Posted by topdawgnc

8:23 PM, Jan 10, 2008

The site was www.firetoddturner.com. I guess he got lost in the wash from all of you fighting for Ty's job. In the end Todd didn't fit your agenda.

My point is this. If you are going to call out Hansen and McCann as guys pushing thier agenda with big money.

Then call out the names of the people who were cordinating Kemp and Alexander.

I applaud those of you who "quietly" poured in man hours to hold onto a loser. My campaign was focused on the first phase of dumping Todd Turner...on January 31 it will be Mission Accomplished.

Again, if you are going to call out the boosters as evil, then you should call out who is coridnating the other side of the fence.

Posted by Santo Domingo

9:16 PM, Jan 10, 2008

If Ed Hansen wants to personally manipulate a sports team, he needs to purchase a professional franchise. As it is, he's simply proven that he's the biggest JACKASS this side of the Cascades.
By the way, Al Worley's record in 1968 was set on a Husky team far worse than this season's team. Hmmmm.....maybe it is about more than just winning.

Posted by Bob Marley

9:26 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Love to see Bruins and Donalds on here. Boosters trying to buy the program is old news at your schools. It makes the news here for some reason. Boosters do this kind of stuff ALL THE TIME. Why the Times thinks it's newsworthy is beyond me. Shoot, at Whoregon, their owner, Phil Knight, has to offer up 100 million to make the news.

Posted by bomberboy

9:37 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Jeeeeez! I cannot believe that so many actualy believe that the articles concerning the anti Ty e-mails was some sort of anti Husky thing. First of all the reflection on the UW was postitive. Read Emmert's column in the paper. Bottom line an anti Ty/Turner guy claimed to offer some big donations to get rid of these guys. The UW was not responsive, end of story. The only differenc between this guy and many of our own bloggers is that this guy claimed to have big backs and was willing to conditionlay contribute $200K. Trust me, if there is a negative reflection it is on the individual. not the UW or Ty. And Bob, the reporting is and was fine, good info. I can't believe so many bloggers here, who are SO critivcal and outspoken are sooooo sensitive to ANY reporting on this. I really am shocked. They don't like Ty, don't like Todd, don't like Bob, don't like Seattle media....lots of whining here!

Posted by Guest

9:44 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Does anyone remember Bob's reporting after the UA game, or the apple cup? I think he had the audacity to write all throughout the paper that the UW lost a sizable lead in the second half. He may have even over-reached and implied that we blew the game. In fact, he might have even gone so far as to report that it appeared in the apple cup that the secondary blew a coverage on a pivotal play at the end, allowing Brandon Gibson to be totally uncovered on a 35 yard touchdown pass.

We didn't need recruits reading this dirty laundry right after those games. We should run this reporter guy out of town. He clearly has it in for the program. He's airing dirty laundry all over town about the team's play, and trying to drag the good name of the university in the mud.

This guy is clearly a biased and inaccurate reporter who distorts facts to creat controversy for our program. It's not like we gave away the apple cup or the UA game.

Posted by Fred

10:07 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Guest nails it again!

Posted by Purplepaws

10:48 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Al Worley's record is also two more than Washington State had in 2006. What's your point, Coug?

Posted by jd_husky

10:50 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob,

Is it true that the booster article was created from a freedom of information act request to the UW by someone at the times?

JD

Posted by Tucannonriv

11:12 PM, Jan 10, 2008

Bob,

Pawning off the WSU question on your editor is lame. One night Doba says he's not resigning, the next day he resigns. Plenty of vocal Cougar boosters expressing their displeasure regarding WSU season and progress. Not a stretch to think some of those same boosters pressured the WSU AD and Pres to fire Doba. FOIA that mother and show us a little of that "we cover fairly and in the same light" you talk about.

Your actions speak so loudly I don't need to hear the words you speak (write).

Posted by Bob Condotta

11:22 PM, Jan 10, 2008

To answer a couple questions.

--- Yes, we made a public records request for that information. We make public records requests for information all the time for things like coach's contracts, etc. It's pretty standard.

--- I'm not pawning off the question about our sports editor --- I can assure you she didn't go to Washington State --- just felt it better to let her speak on a number of these issues.
I don't cover Washington State so questions about our coverage of the Cougars are better directed to her and those who do.

Posted by olydawgfan

11:51 PM, Jan 10, 2008

"There remained a lot of questions about what happened, and why." What questions remained? Who still had questions, you? Emmert did what he thought was best for the program, simple as that. How he arrived at that conclusion, or who might of influenced his decision is irrelevant. I think most Husky fans have accepted his decisions (to fire Turner and retain Willingham) and were looking forward to LOI day, spring ball, and the 2008 season.

When the Times does a public records request, it appears you're trying to dig something up to either sell more newspapers to bring in more advertising or to hurt this program which is trying to turn things around. Maybe you're killing two birds with one stone with this. How does this help with what Ty's trying to accomplish? If this information had fallen into your lap, it might be a little different, but when you go digging, I have to question your motive.

Why don't you write something like this about the Cougars? "I would argue that we treat all the sports teams that we cover fairly, and in the same light."

You could do a public records request at any Division I university and come up with emails or letters from alumns offering up "donations" for something in return. Why do this now, to UW, again, and again, and again... Only in this liberal NW region does this stuff continue to be dug up by the media. If you continue to publish this garbage, evenutally recruiting will suffer, which in turn the program will continue to suffer. Is that your agenda?

Posted by mj

5:39 AM, Jan 11, 2008

Bob, I'm having trouble with a couple of your statements and would appreciate it if you would explain:

Posted by Bob Condotta
January 9, 2008 6:56 PM
Turner wanted to extend Willingham before season
In an interview for the story, Turner said he wanted to extend Willingham's five-year contract before the season began as an indication of the school's support for the coach, who recently concluded his third season.


Posted by Bob Condotta
6:51 PM, Jan 10, 2008
To answer a couple questions
I never reported that Turner wanted to extend Willingham last August and if someone else did, I missed it. I reported that Turner said they would talk about it at the end of the season based on how things went. But that Turner wanted to do it and Emmert wouldn't let him, I'd never heard that before.
_____________________________________
Am I missing something here?

Posted by jbp

5:58 AM, Jan 11, 2008

mj,
Here is what I believe Bob is referring too, though I could completely wrong. This is from Bob's own blog:

"January 9, 2008 6:56 PM
Turner wanted to extend Willingham before season
Posted by Bob Condotta
That's one of the revelations uncovered in a story that will run in tomorrow's paper (and on-line) that attempts to shine some light on some of the factors weighed by UW president Mark Emmert when he made recent decisions to keep football coach Tyrone Willingham and fire athletic director Todd Turner."

Hope that clarifies.

Posted by bartskee

7:23 AM, Jan 11, 2008

I don't blame Willingham for closing practices from the media anymore. The guys that work at the times are no friends of the Dawgs. And the times has a history of distorting facts, for example, that logging picture that everyone is stirred up about, looks much worse in the picture than what's actually on the ground, due to the times photographer using wide angle lenses. They aren't a friend of the timber industry so it suits their agenda to publish the distorted photo.

Posted by rtk

7:49 AM, Jan 11, 2008

This is a little late but I just read the blog entries on the Emmert/Turner story and I have to admit to being a little surprised at some of the comments on the blog. "Holier than thou" seems to be the cry of the day. Why is it surprising that Ed Hansen would write such an e-mail? In what world do you live in that this doesn't happen every day? If you are in business you always get calls from clients threatening to move their account “unless so and so is fired” or “never send that idiot to my office again.” In fact, I'm quite sure that The Seattle Times gets calls from subscribers every day that threaten to cancel their subscriptions over some article they have seen or advertisers who threaten to pull their ads because they didn't like a political opinion. Think it doesn’t happen to colleges outside of athletics? Just remember that professor at the University of Colorado who demeaned the victims of 9/11? Do you think that maybe a few alumni and contributors demanded that he be fired? For that matter pick up any newspaper during the course of a year and you’ll find some University faculty group threatening some action over some pet cause. The idea that Academia is above all this is a pure fiction –trust me I work in it. So is what Ed Hansen did tasteless and vulgar? - of course, but it was hardly newsworthy. The reaction to the story is all focused on what Ed Hansen did, when it was ostensibly a story that shed some new light on Turner's firing. It would have been a story if there was evidence that the University bowed to this kind of pressure but it's clear that they didn't. It's journalistic sensationalism under the guise of revealing new information with a rather condescending moral judgment about some rabid and, perhaps, over zealous fans. What the Times did, knowingly, is to hold Ed Hansen up to be vilified as a some type of football bully in a story that did not nothing to change what we already know about Turner's firing. The next time you have a story about this, try and have some substantive news to share.

Posted by Mick

8:35 AM, Jan 11, 2008

rtk,

i only wish i could have summarized my feeling as well as you did.

you've put the story into context (ie: the reality of every business in the western world) and the postulations put forth by the Times are merely stirring up a non-story into something unusual.

sadly, what's lost in all this is that the football team is still in 10th place (again... out of 10 teams), the public interest in the team is still spinning south as the current team management prefers to make these "strides" in such a way that none of the fans can enjoy or participate except for 3 hours on saturday ad we haven't been to a bowl game in 5 years... now consider that 64 teams go to bowl games and we aren't one of them. Central Michigan goes to bowl games and we do not.

ed hansen is merely using the only leverage he "might" have to make a difference.

i personally have no leverage other than not buying the garbage souvenirs with that stupid weasel on them...but nobody knows i'm not buying so at least ed got a face to his voice.

Posted by Whiteoake Husky

9:22 AM, Jan 11, 2008

Oh Lord, I don't believe for a moment that all the overheated claptrap contained in this blog is representative of the general opinion in Husky Nation. You are the most radical, irrational overblown fanatics and you get to rattle each others cages to make it sound like a groundswell of contention exists where there is nothing but a few shrill voices crying in the wilderness. The imagined slights and nuances you perceive would do credit to the verifiably insane. The nuggets of insight into the Husky football program that I gleam from following this blog comes at a heavy price; I have to wade through all this. You guys have got to get a life. LOL, and if I continue to read this, I guess so do I.

Posted by dmc

9:47 AM, Jan 11, 2008

I don't have any issues with the Times' reporting, but I can't figure out why stories about Husky Football seem to get blown out of proportion, even nationally. It seems odd. I mean, this kind of thing does go on everywhere, even though Ed Hansen is a particularly spectacular sort of scumbag. But there is a trend: Neuheisel's firing for betting on an NCAA pool? That was no big deal in my mind (I do it all the time and you probably do too), yet it became a huge national story. Even the Billy Joe Hobert stuff got way blown out of proportion. Why is it that the Dawgs seem to get overly criticized nationally for this stuff? Is there a "Trojan Conspiracy" trying to keep us down? (I wouldn't put it past those S.O.B.s)

Posted by Go Dawgs

10:24 AM, Jan 11, 2008


Bob,
Is Cathy Henkel competent?

Posted by who is bob?

11:01 AM, Jan 11, 2008

Just curious... what are Bob's ties? School, home town, other stops?
I'm just curious. Is he a coug? a duck? something else? From California, Washington, other? I'm not taking a shot, I'm just sincerely curious.

Posted by Guest

2:33 PM, Jan 11, 2008

I just can't let this go.

I am a TW supporter and my main point is that Bob did goof reporting with this booster story. It is an ugly story, but newsworthy.

People say this isn't news, because it happens elsewhere all the time. If it happens everywhere, then why is anyone concerned this makes us look bad, and getting on Bob's case? Afterall, by the logic above, it just means we are normal like every other program.

Other people say that Bob went out of his way to dig up dirt. How dare he? Well, as a reporter, it is his job to report the ins and outs of the program. Reporting like this happens elsewhere. Look at the coach at Arkansas. I mean the former coach at Arkansas.

Look at Sports Illustrated when Alabama hired Price.

EPSN and every LA paper reported the while Bush thing at USC, and continue to try to do so.

When Sh*t like that happens here, it gets reported too.

Maybe stuff like this happens elsewhere and doesn't make it into the papers? Why? I don't think it is because Bob is that much smarter than other beat reporters. I don't think it is because Bob has it in for the UW. (My suspicion is Bob is mainly neutral, but after spending a lot of time with the people around the UW program naturally takes a liking to them and wants to see them do well). My main guess is that most people involved in underhanded subterfuge are a lot less careless - or at least tactful - than Ed Hansen.

I do not beleive that The Oregonian's beat reporters would not kill for a behind the scenes story on Bill Moos' ouster. I think the people involved were smoother than our own boosters, which was the difference.

At the very least, they probably wore better sunglasses and Nike gear when they arrnaged Moos' trip to the gallows.

Posted by ian

7:51 AM, Jan 12, 2008

Don James is one of the most influential men in Husky football history. I would think his thoughts on this matter would be of interest to Husky fans. And so I found it interesting that the Times decided to not print a copy of an e-mail from Mr. James (at least in it's on-line version of this story). A comment from Mr. James would be far more pertinent and interesting to Husky fans than a copy of an e-mail from Jeff Kemp. Anyway, after reading the Time version I happened to be east of the mountains on business and caught a glance of the AP version of the story in the Yakima Herald. I almost didn't read it since I had already seen the Times version, but what caught my eye was the following:
One of the Huskies' most successful coaches, Don James, sent Turner an e-mail of praise after Willingham was retained:

"Todd, Congratulations on standing tough. In my view you made the right decision.

It kind of baffles me why the Times would not choose to include this.

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