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December 12, 2007 11:04 AM

Turner's letter to his staff

Posted by Bob Condotta

UW AD Todd Turner made his views pretty clear when he met with the media yesterday.

But for another view, here is the letter he sent to athletic department employees Tuesday explaining the situation:

December 11, 2007

Dear Friends,

It is with very mixed emotions that I write to you today. After careful consideration and thoughtful reflection on our time here since you welcomed us to the UW, Sara and I have decided that now is the right time for us to leave the University of Washington and return to our Southern roots. This came after lengthy discussions with President Emmert where it became clear that changes in leadership needed to be made. He has accepted my resignation from my position as Director of Intercollegiate Athletics effective January 31, 2008.

I will continue to serve in my current role as AD until I leave next month. As you might expect, much of my work will be dedicated to insuring a smooth transition for the next AD. Fortunately, we have a strong team of leaders in place to carry on the work we have begun. I have recommended to President Emmert in the strongest of terms the importance of maintaining the leadership model that has taken us this far.

I want each of you to know that I feel very good about the work we have accomplished together here during my tenure. When I arrived just over three years ago, the President's primary charge to me was to create a culture of integrity in athletics and to reconnect the athletics program to the mainstream mission of the University. This is something we have worked at every day and, I trust, you will continue to do so as you go forward. I do believe we have made great progress. Along the way we won national and Pac-10 championships. We have achieved academic performance measurements that are among the highest when compared to our West Coast peer institutions. We have created life-enriching opportunities for literally hundreds of young men and women student-athletes. Most importantly, we have established a principle-centered, compliance-sensitive culture in the Athletics Department. Plus, we've had a lot fun.

You have inspired me with your dedication to the well-being of our student-athletes, your commitment to each other, your competitiveness, and good cheer. Together we have reestablished the UW athletics program as one of character and integrity. Thank you for that. Continue doing this and the foundational phase of our mission will be complete. Now, it's up to you to put the final touches on this endeavor with more than a few championship banners. I trust that you will.

I can't encourage or challenge you enough to maintain and build upon the mission and values we have affirmed for athletics at Washington. Creating an environment that develops winners on the field, in the classroom, and in life...that's what it is all about. We have done this together. It is our mantra, our focus, our unifying purpose. Be true to it and the student-athletes will experience what they came to the UW to get...a world-class preparation for a successful, productive life.

Frankly, I've grown concerned recently over the growing imbalance between what the public (i.e. fans) expects and the true purpose of intercollegiate athletics. It's a frightening time to be in your positions if you truly believe in the ideal of the student-athlete within the framework of higher education. It will take exceedingly strong leadership to hold us true to this ideal. In recent days, I've seen a side of athletics that sickens me with the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts who look upon intercollegiate athletics solely as entertainment to satisfy their own self interests. That's why competitive success at the UW without compromising values, character, and integrity is so essential. Someone has to be the example. It might as well be the Huskies.

I know some people would think me goofy to keep hammering away on this. But, it has been my life's calling. I learned this in my earliest days as a young administrator at the University of Virginia and it has stuck with me. I cannot give it up. In some ways, that's really at the core of why I am stepping aside...not to give up the fight, but rather to find another platform to underscore the cause. I need you with me on this, so when and if I ever call on you, please step up!

So, after nearly 32 years in this wonderful enterprise, 21 of which were as an Athletics Director, what is a fellow to do to further identify his purpose in life? At 56, there are many productive years ahead for us to enjoy new experiences and exciting challenges. These may come in the world of intercollegiate athletics or some other related or entirely different enterprise. Regardless, the lure of intercollegiate athletics, its value to our young people, and its influence on our society will always be somewhere near the core of what I do. Sara, our children, and I will take some time to reflect on the events of recent months before refocusing upon our future. Along the way, we'll have a few laughs, spend some needed time together, and follow the Huskies with great interest and considerable pride.

On a personal note, I want to thank each and every member of the athletics staff for accepting me and my family as your friends as much as you did me as your colleague. We will be Huskies for life! I will be forever grateful. Sara and I will carry many wonderful memories with us as we pursue a new direction in our lives.

Go DAWGS!

Respectfully,

Todd

Dream - Achieve - Win - Grow - Serve

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Posted by sad

11:27 AM, Dec 12, 2007

There he goes insulting us again, "the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts..."

Posted by almac

11:29 AM, Dec 12, 2007

JH you are a racist...no if ands or buts. Any comment you share on this blog is forever covered in a white sheet.

Posted by KC

11:30 AM, Dec 12, 2007

I think Todd's next move should be to a smaller school, maybe a D-3 one. It's obvious that winning really isn't that important to him, and the overall experience is. Todd needs to be at a school which shares his vision, that isn't at a BCS school.
Oh, btw, what a douche helmet.

Posted by jon

11:31 AM, Dec 12, 2007

I've seen a side of athletics that sickens me with the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts who look upon intercollegiate athletics solely as entertainment to satisfy their own self interests

Not cool.

College Football is the national pastime.
Winning college football is therefore a number 1 priority.

Todd Turner, I'm not suprised that with your viewpoints Dr. Emmert felt that you should step down.

Frankly, he recognizes the fact that at major colleges, one of the biggest facets shown to the entire nation is the football program.

If the Huskies are nunmber 1 in the BCS Standings, how do you think that would increase booster donations, media exposure, and the wonderful place that is UW? It would do far more than anything that you have done so far at UW IMO.

Thanks for the great job at returning stability to the program, but what we need right now is some FIRE.

GO DAWGS!!!!!!!

Posted by Keema

11:32 AM, Dec 12, 2007

Touching.

Good Luck to Todd and hope Dr. Emmert finds the right guy to lead UW atheltics in the next phase.

Winning and integrity are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by Richard Lomas

11:32 AM, Dec 12, 2007

WOW.

That's quite a bit of trash talking on the way out the door there Todd.

Posted by rocki4

11:32 AM, Dec 12, 2007

"I've seen a side of athletics that sickens me with the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts who look upon intercollegiate athletics solely as entertainment to satisfy their own self interests"

That wouldn't be us would it? Wow the guy is really p-o'd isn't he?!

Posted by Whaaaaat?

11:34 AM, Dec 12, 2007

"the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts who look upon intercollegiate athletics solely as entertainment to satisfy their own self interests."

Is this guy TRYING to make everyone hate him? I mean, seriously. I understand it must be hard to do any job where criticism and scrutiny are omnipresent, but welcome to the world of sports.

What I don't understand is why he keeps thinking the fans are asking him to violate NCAA rules in getting some wins. The fans are asking for winning athletics, but not once have I read from even the most ridiculous of posters on the forums and blogs that we should start cheating or undermining the athletes and their development to get wins. Todd, you're sorely mistaken and it's causing you to mouth off in a way that makes you look absolutely terrible. Now it's just good riddance and not even good luck.

Posted by Steve

11:39 AM, Dec 12, 2007

I wonder how the senior class would evaluate there "student athlete" experience.

No bowl games, hardly any wins, I bet they all look back on there time at the UW and say, WOW what a great experience losing was!!!!

Ask anybody, WINNING IS FUN! WINNING IS THE BEST EXPERIENCE!

Winning is everything, IT'S THE ONLY THING!!!!! - Vince Lombardi

Posted by Sven

11:39 AM, Dec 12, 2007

It's awfully sweet for him to trash the people that have fed his family for the last 32 years.

And this is a "nice" guy?

At least he's showing us how little he believes in his own platitudes with these diatribes.

Posted by rjkeats

11:41 AM, Dec 12, 2007

Apparently Turner believes that the integrity of our program and winning is mutually exclusive and that is precisely why he is gone. Athletic competition is about winning, so if you're not concerned about winning after 32 years as an athletic director, you better find a new line of work, or at least a new institution because we won't stand for it here. Turner, you turned out to be the uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed expert that you rail against in your letter. Good luck with your life, but good riddance.

Posted by Huh?

11:44 AM, Dec 12, 2007

"the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts who look upon intercollegiate athletics solely as entertainment to satisfy their own self interests."

I think he hits the nail on the head, the hatred spewed toward Turner and Ty is really embarrassing. Most of it coming from know-it-all loser fans who have nothing to do all day except read blogs on the internet.

And Sven, "trash the people that have fed his family for the last 32 years."??? Are you kidding me? He's trashing the losers who got him fired.

Posted by Everett fan

11:45 AM, Dec 12, 2007

As most of you have noticed, that was a poor idea. If we fan should pay $60 for someone else (the player) to have a nice experience, who is going to pay us the fans $60 to have some fun? Seems rather one-sided. . . .

Posted by John

11:45 AM, Dec 12, 2007

"the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts..."

Yes, he is talking about you. Yes, it is true. If only you were capable of honest self-analysis.

Posted by OlyDawg

11:49 AM, Dec 12, 2007

Can't blame the guy for telling the truth. Many of us fans don't see college sports from the athlete's point of view.


What gets lost in the pursuit of athletic perfection is often the attention paid to the student athlete and equally important, the ethics behind it all. We saw what happens when an athletic program lose their sense ethics and integrity make the whole program go downhill (ie. Hedges last few years at UW, or what may be happening at USC very soon).


I for one appreciate what Turner did to right the ship, but its pretty obvious what we need now is an aggressive AD who will hold to the ethics in place and also make the tough decisions with a lot of forward-thinking.

Posted by Sven

11:50 AM, Dec 12, 2007

The losers who got him fired are the losers who pay to watch football games.

Without them, how much does an athletic director get paid?

Posted by Mountain Man

11:51 AM, Dec 12, 2007

It's amazing how in such a short period of time a fellow can go from appearing incompetent to appearing like a total arrogant, @$$h-le.
What part of this can't this moron get?
I'll say it once more and keep it real simple so perhaps Turner can understand...
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Turner -- Winning AND having good, quality, clean programs ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE!
Clearly, you are not capable of producing both. Moreover, it is clear that you don't even understand the calling of the position! Maybe we should compensate you half of your money for only performing half of this job!
At any rate, please get past your own blind arrogance and understand the bar is very high for the AD job. (Obviously too high for you.) The EXPECTATION is to have quality, clean programs AND win games.
I'm sorry that you weren't able to do this. And I'm even more sorry to now understand that you were entirely too stupid and/or arrogant to realize that THIS was the true calling of the position.
Better luck in your next endeavor. As a parting gift, I leave you some gems of wisdom for life...
* Don't insult the people who sign your paycheck next time!
* Learn some humilty. You are incredibly arrogant and pompous -- it shows.
* Understand the job. I know it's not easy, but being a college AD at the University of Washington means more than just running clean programs. It means running clean programs, developing successful young men and women, AND winning. Yeah... we expect excellece. Make sure you are up to the job the next time you take truck loads of money for a position.
* Get over yourself... your arrogance is painfully obvious. Oh wait... already did this one. Guess that was nothing more than a shot.
Thanks for nothing. Now go home, you're not welcome here.
MM

Posted by Richard Lomas

11:51 AM, Dec 12, 2007

People on this Blog didn't get him fired.
Fans didn't get him fired.

The President of the University was unhappy with his progress towards stated goals and perhaps also with the way he went about carrying out his duties.

Complaining about the fans is missing the target. He just comes off sounding like a bitter ex-employee.
He really should just keep quiet from here on out.

Posted by John

11:52 AM, Dec 12, 2007

There are problems with Turner's argument. Yes, those people are everywhere online. Yes, they are everything he says. But people like that he should have no trouble ignoring. And his idea that winning and the athletic experience are mutually exclusive is wrong. It's more difficult to do both, not impossible.

Posted by Peter

11:56 AM, Dec 12, 2007

Why does Mr. Turner constantly believe that winning and character/experience cannot coexist? He's treating it like they operate separably. What Mr. Turner failed to comprehend is that the two not only can coexist, but that they can feed and grow on each other.

He focused his efforts on cultivating an environment that fosters "experience" and growth. That is great, but he did so by isolating it as the ONLY goal while alienating the prospect of winning! He also increased the ever-growing disconnect between the Athletic Department and the alumni & fanbase by chastising and ignoring us. He did this from the beginning and continued to do it in his final words.

Mr. Turner's legacy of the "experience-only" attitude will have to be fixed by the following AD who inherits this mess by rebuilding a link with a winning tradition and doing so WITH the alumni & fan base - not against us. Experience, winning, the alumni, and the fans are the legs of a program. Todd Turner cut off three of those legs which forced him to sit on a chair he could not sit on.

Posted by Sven

11:56 AM, Dec 12, 2007

Here's what got Todd fired:
1. 12-35 football record.
2. Zero progress toward funding Husky Stadium renovation.
3. Alienation of key boosters.

Posted by debatepro

11:57 AM, Dec 12, 2007

"the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts..."

I don't know I have seen several of these kind of people on these forums... not that I am going to name names...

Posted by Jose Cuervo

11:57 AM, Dec 12, 2007

OlyDawg:

I'm going to take a guess and say that you've never had friends that played on competitive sports teams, including teams at the University of Washington.


Don't get me wrong, everybody that I knew as friends were very happy and knew how fortunate they were with respect to education, the "student-athlete experience," etc.


However, if you were to ask any single one of them to a man whether winning was important, they'd laugh at you and tell you what a stupid question it was.


The student-athletes aren't out there "to be seen." They aren't out there to say "look at me." They are out there pursuing a future career and out there to win and be successful.


And don't think for a moment that moods weren't turned based on whether the program was winning or losing - it does.

Posted by Mountain Man

11:57 AM, Dec 12, 2007

Excellence
yeah... I see the typo in my post... wanted to beat someone to the punch before they mocked me for a typo on a blog...
MM

Posted by UWOSU

11:59 AM, Dec 12, 2007

Are you kidding? He needs to move on to an Ivy League or small DII college where those sentiments are more applicable. Even then, his clearly stated ideals do not preclude demanding excellence on the field as well. Good move Emmert. Also, Brewer is clueless.

Posted by Mountain Man

12:00 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Excellence ... (left out an n)
I just wanted to point out my own typo before some wise-elbow came on ripping me for a typo on a blog...
MM

Posted by Sven

12:01 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro,

You can name me if you want.

If Todd Turner wants to blame me and others for posting facts that showed he was performing poorly, so be it.

He didn't have any problem firing coaches for poor performance, after all.

Posted by Kent

12:02 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I hope Turner has a new AD job by end of football season 2008-09, so he can hire TW after our next AD fires his mediocre ass.

Posted by Sven

12:04 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent,

I don't even hate Oregon or Washington State enough to wish that fate upon them.

Posted by ummm

12:08 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Debatepro is and has been a know it all that sees himself above everyone else as has been shown from many of his posts on the Wicked Witch of Liberty Lakes website. It's amazing how some people think they're better than others. Maybe DP and TT should have dinner together. They seem to be of the same breed....not of the canine variety though.

Posted by MPM

12:09 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I can't believe all the posters STILL saying that Turner doesn't appreciate the value of winning or thinks that winning and integrity are mutually exclusive.


That's exactly the OPPOSITE of what he says in his letter. He specifically states that he thinks the UW should be the shining example of winning the right way.


He's right, though. Too many fans simply don't care about "the right way" if it gets in the way of wins NOW!


I hope we don't sink back into the mud that Turner has helped to clean off of UW athletics in his time here.


Also, it's kind of funny that so many posters self-identify with being uninformed and unenlightened.

Posted by ja

12:11 PM, Dec 12, 2007

It doesn't take an athletic director to know that college sports is a business, more than anything.

The entire athletic department financially depends on football and basketball. Therefore, the success of your football and basketball programs must be top priority.

I guess Turner is not as informed as he thinks he is. When have you ever heard anything bad the Penn State football team? Or Duke Basketball? Are those teams successful?

To reiterate what Mountain Man said, you can have values, character, integrity, AND a winning team.

Why an athletic director in a D1 school doesn't make winning a top priority befuddles me. I feel badly for Turner and his family, but at the same time he brought this upon himself. He just doesn't get it.

Posted by bellingham husky

12:13 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Wow, lost a lot of respect for Turner I never had. Didn't really take the high road did he.

Posted by Dave

12:15 PM, Dec 12, 2007

MPM, maybe they just self-identify with being LABELLED uninformed and unenlightened by a guy who went out of his way to mock his own fan base on several occasions. Doing things the right way is necessary for UW, but not sufficient.


To be sure, there are some fans out there who wanted "wins NOW!" as you say, but most of us just wanted "wins at some point in his four year tenure!" particularly since he was asking us to pay big-time (and dramatically increased) ticket prices for the experience.

Posted by Dave

12:17 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Further, if big time sports is not about wins and losses, it comes as news to Gilby and Daugherty. Remember as Todd Turner said, "The scoreboard doesn't lie."

Posted by DawgFanMike

12:18 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Thoughts:
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In my limited football experience, we were REQUIRED to tow the line: grades, conduct, respect, being an example for other students and an ambassador of the school. Minimum requirement of team membership. Not the penthouse, the ground floor.
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We all knew the basic requirements of a student athlete, and we expected support from the admin and coaches in meeting those.
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But if supporting us in meeting the bare minimums was all they had to give, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
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For ourselves, we wanted to win. We expected to win. We were driven to win. And we loved to play.
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Our coaches and the admin gang worked their butts off for wins, for success.
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I can't imagine how out of touch the admin would be if they didn't understand how important winning was in athletic competition.

Posted by BIGTIME NEGA

12:19 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Bigtime NegaDawg here! I like seeing the team win the Pac-10, compete for National Titles, win Rose Bowls and yadda yadda yadda. For some crazy reason having the 3 worst seasons in 100 years bugs me. I like players who work hard and win. Good coaches get the best out of their players and get them to give that something extra that they don't think they have. Ty just goes out there clueless, loses, then says "well we tried our golly-darned hardest!" If any of you heard Millen this morning, he was spot on about winning and character being mutually "inclusive" not "exclusive." Teams with great character and work ethic usually win games because they want it more. Since when is wanting to beat the other team so bad that you give more than you ever thought you could a bad thing?? This is an attitude that the players could carry on after college into their careers. Want it bad enough, work your tail off, and results will follow. Is there something wrong with that? Anyone who has ever played for a coach who demanded the best out of you knows what I'm talking about. Millen's story about Don James and his Bear Bryant quotes were inspiring. Willingham just isn't the kind of coach that brings this mentality and Turner was about the biggest joke ever in the history of UW athletics. Let's all celebrate that half the problem is walking out the door on 1/31/08!

Posted by Sven

12:20 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I don't believe Todd Turner believes in winning because his career track record shows that he's never built a winning football program.


To "win the right way", you still have to win. That was the problem with Todd from day one.

Posted by jai

12:20 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Where does Turner say that winning and character can't co-exist? I think he's been pretty forthright in agreeing that wins need to come. But it shouldn't be the ONLY measure of success for a college program. The athletic program, and not just football, was a complete and utter mess from the Hedges era. He's turned that around. Rome wasn't built in a day.


"...the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts..."


I'm glad someone finally told it like it is. And it's not just about bloggers. It's about Sports Radio hosts who have to rile up callers for ratings by throwing sh*t on the fan. And boosters with an over developed ego that think money buys them football knowledge.

Posted by WTF!!!!???

12:21 PM, Dec 12, 2007

TURNER IS SICKENED AND SHOCKED THAT FANS WANT THEIR TEAM TO WIN??? HE'S SICKENED AND SHOCKED THAT US "SELF-ANOINTED EXPERTS" DON'T LIKE SEEING OUR FAVORITE TEAM AND ALMA MATER FINISH DEAD LAST!!!???? GET A CLUE AND GET A LIFE TODD!! STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM UW AS POSSIBLE!! WE DON'T WANT YOUR LOSING STENCH ANYWHERE NEAR OUR PROGRAM!!

Posted by DawgFanMike

12:21 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Thoughts:
-
In my limited football experience, we were REQUIRED to tow the line: grades, conduct, respect, being an example for other students and an ambassador of the school. Minimum requirement of team membership. Not the penthouse, the ground floor.
-
We all knew the basic requirements of a student athlete, and we expected support from the admin and coaches in meeting those.
-
But if supporting us in meeting the bare minimums was all they had to give, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
-
For ourselves, we wanted to win. We expected to win. We were driven to win. And we loved to play.
-
Our coaches and the admin gang worked their butts off for wins, for success.
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I can't imagine how out of touch the admin would be if they didn't understand how important winning was in athletic competition.

Posted by Kelly

12:24 PM, Dec 12, 2007

What's sad is that Turner looks at his job in perspective of preparing these student-athletes for life. Not just for winning on the field. The VAST - and I mean VAST - majority of these individuals will never play professional sports. But you know what? YOU DON'T CARE. You don't give a rats a$$ what happens to these people once they leave UW. Apparently TT does. You may not like that fact or the job that he did as an AD, but to just impugn the man for that...bizarre. But again, that's because you don't care about the people. Just how many catches they had or tackles they made.I know that it is a reality of modern day college sports, but how sad.

And you know what, we are ill-informed. I bet also zero of us on here know what it really actually takes to run an athletic department at major school. It is not just about being a cheerleader for the football team. You manage tens of millions of dollars, a compliance office, academics, the athletics, dealing with young people and their emotions/maturing process, hiring and managing a staff. It's not just about going to games. Yet somehow we now better then him how it should all work out. It's really pathetic.

Posted by MPM

12:25 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Dave,

I agree that wins are necessary. The thing is, nothing I've seen indicates that TT felt differently. Everyone seems to be pointing to his statements saying "See! He didn't even care about winning! He thinks winning and character are mutually exclusive!" But he said exactly the opposite: he wants to win with integrity.


This hardly contradicts the "uninformed and unenlightened" label.


My own opinion is that TT and Ty have been great for the *long term* health of UW athletics precisely because they distanced us from the scandals that had been a problem for 15 years before their arrival.


He isn't exactly a PR genius, though.

Posted by OlyDawg

12:29 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Jose Cuervo, I have had a number of friends (at UW to be exact) who were student-athletes. This was back in the day of Hedges, but they commented to me that winning was important (which I never disagreed with) yet they felt that their future as an adult in the real-world was not addressed. In other words, they felt like so much attention was paid to athletics, that their career development was being overlooked. I imagine this scenario is present to a greater or lesser degree at other programs, and unfortunately, is just a reality in modern college athletics that any student-athlete has to deal with.

Posted by Gil Dobie's Nuclear SUV

12:30 PM, Dec 12, 2007

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Fact of the day #8:


Ty's 1999 Rose Bowl team didn't defeat a single top 25 team.

Thought of the day: It was also the weakest season in Pac-10 history based on bowls and polls.

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Message to Dr. Emmert: If AD Turner is going to remain employed at the UW through January 2008, tell him to shut his mouth! His ridiculous assumptions insult the fan base and cast negative light upon the university and its intercollegiate athletics department. He does not speak for or accurately about the University of Washington, its alums, and fans. He is an embarrassment to the University of Washington.


We fans think he should be gone today. He has done enough damage. How much is his severance package? Does it contain a "shut yer yap" clause? For the UW's sake, I sure hope so.

Delivered Daily to:

Dr. Mark Emmert, President of the University of Washington
Pac-10 Recruiting Coordinators, 19 year old UW Recruiting Coordinator Jake Locker is kicking your butts of late, locally at least
Mitch Levy, watching his alma mater's football program sink to the basement too. Voice of the Fan feels our pain.
Steve Sandmeyer, thinks his alma mater can beat the Huskies in football
Dave Mahler, Seahawk Honk
Dave Grosby, walkie talkie
Mike Gastineau, talkie talkie
Ian Furness, getting a Big Bad Wulff tattoo
Elise Woodward, misses Husky Rose Bowls
Dick Fain, mascot & voice of the Seattle U. Redhawks
Husky Half Brains, alive!
John Boyle, Everett Herald
Jerry Brewer, more clueless than Todd Turner. What state do you live in? You clearly are out of touch locally.
Bob Condotta, Seattle Times
Dan Devone, KCPQ
Tom Dienhart, The Sporting News
Chris Egan, KING/NWCN
Ken Goe, Oregonian
Matt Hayes, The Sporting News
Dwight Jaynes, Portland Tribune
Greg Johns, Seattle P-I
Derek Johnson, Husky Historian
Steve Kelley, genius, Seattle Times
Angie Mentink, FSN
Ted Miller, Seattle P-I
Jim Moore, Seattle P-I, Cougar Gold pitcher
Paul Silvi, KING/NWCN
John Sleeper, Everett Herald
Art Thiel, totally out of touch or guerrilla duck fan out to kill UW athletics
Nathan Ware, P-I Husky blogger
Bud Withers, Seattle Times
Molly Yanitty, Asst. UW Sports Information Director
Firetoddtuner.com, voice of the frustrated UW athletics fan
Coacheshotseat.com, the finger on America's pulse
Deadspin.com
And Husky Fans Everywhere!

Soon to be former subscriber:

Todd Turner, clueless, fan slanderer, thief.

Posted by Santo Domingo

12:33 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Todd touched quite a nerve when he accurately described the average sports fan. As fans we have apparently forgotten that the benefit of youth, COLLEGE and HIGH SCHOOL sports is to the PARTICIPANTS. That is the primary mission of athletics. Enjoying the products (games) of the athletic team process is the realm of fandom. That does not change its central purpose, i.e. developing superb human beings. The little egos fans attach to the win-loss record of 'their team' is a mockery of the goals of high quality coaches, ADs and programs. Todd Turner is a high character guy. I wish he had a few more high character fans.

Posted by Andy H

12:36 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Santo Domingo - Why do winning and the development of "superb human beings" need to be mutually exclusive? No one has been able to explain this yet, certainly not Turner. He acts so shocked that we'd like to win a few more games here and there.

Posted by back to reality...

12:37 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I'm sure most of you are aware of it but are choosing to ignore the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of college athletes will not be playing any variety of sports professionally after college. Turner's letter was addressed to the athletic department, NOT THE FANS (as so many of you seem to think), and while I'm sure he expected it to be distributed widely outside of the department the focus is obviously to those that worked below him.


Yes, it is quite true that at any large university the football program (and in fewer cases men's BB) provides most of the funding for other sports, but that doesn't change the fact that Turner's responsibility was to the ENTIRE athletic program, not just the football team. The entire program includes many, many individuals that are going to school for an education and choose to play a sport for the fun of it or, more likely in some cases, because the school is paying for their education. In these cases winning is obviously the goal, but the bigger goal is on giving the STUDENTS, as Turner says, "a world-class preparation for a successful, productive life".


While it is obvious that Turner is leaving because of the football program, let's not forget that the AD's job encompasses so much more than just football, and in most of those other areas Turner was actually quite successful in his goal of improving the experience for the athletes of UW.

Posted by J G

12:38 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Wow. Turner really scares me. This guy has a severe God complex. And why is he asking the folks in the UW athletic department to be ready and willing to step up if he ever calls on them???? He's no longer going to be at the UW, so why should he be telling these folks to be ready to step up for him? Very scary.

Glad to know that Turner can no longer use the UW as his pet project.

Posted by Hey there

12:39 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I'd just like to shout out to all the idiots who don't think that kids learn from hard work which results in winning on the football field! I guess you all think it's best for the players to lose and leave school with all that "character" built up from finishing 9th or 10th for 4 straight years!

Posted by Everett fan

12:41 PM, Dec 12, 2007

to Kelley (12:24) Who said we don't care about individual players? Of course, most of us never meet a single one, so we can't comment on their post UW careers. But, why are we expected to pay for their life-long happiness? We buy tickets to watch competitive sports, that's as close as we can get to them. Sure, they are real people; we are real people; but right now, the fans are footing the bill. If I want to subsidize downtrodden people to let them have a good experience, I can go down to Pioneer Square and pass around my money.

Posted by WE TOOK DOWN TODD!

12:42 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Great job Todd! What a brilliant strategy to raise money for the program! Call all the fans half-brained know-it-all idiots! You're such a genius Todd!! I wonder why none of those hlaf-brained idiots ever gave you any money!!?? Must be because they're too stupid to give you their money! Thanks for nothing Todd and enjoy being fired!

Posted by ILiveInHoth

12:42 PM, Dec 12, 2007

The internet has changed everything Todd, business politics, news, sports. It has given power and more importantly choice, to the masses. The fans always are the reason sport exists beyond a few guys running around their backyard. We paid the ticket increases, we are the ones who are ignored by TT and his vison of Vanderbilt West.
I hope they get someone in there who "gets it" as a professional in his early 30's, I have witnessed that some who don't want to embrace the new internet frontier in the older ranks are making themselves become obsolete. The fans always had power (see attendance figure decline), but now they have a voice. You don't have to pay attention to each one, but en masse you must acknowledge it. Good job Emmert.

Posted by Dave

12:43 PM, Dec 12, 2007

MPM, maybe he cared about winning, but take an honest look at the totality of his actions and comments ("winning the Rose Bowl and yadda, yadda, yadda" ... a statement that reveals seriously misplaced priorities from any BCS league athletic director, let alone one at WASHINGTON for goodness sakes), and I think you will agree that it wasn't near the top of his list of aims. We agree that he isn't a PR genius (note: weak PR skills are a serious flaw in an AD's tool kit, aren't they?).


We also agree that the department as a whole is better off with the distance from the Hedges era scandal. He deserves some credit for that(although some of it is also just the passage of time) but again, I say that was necessary but not sufficient.


Kelly: I care quite a bit about the life experience of UW's student athletes, so take that ill-informed charge back. That doesn't mean I can't demand that the staffers running their programs put them in the best possible position to win. Particularly when they are charging me through the nose to fund their positions.


As for not knowing what all it takes to run a successful athletic department, that is true (although actually I bet a lot of us could do just as well as he did given the available resources, but setting that aside for the moment) but you don't have to know how to write software to figure out whether the application is efficiently doing what you bought it to do.

Posted by jai

12:45 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Andy H... where do you see that Turner doesn't think winning is also an important job of the AD?

Posted by debatepro

12:46 PM, Dec 12, 2007

ummm: Debatepro is and has been a know it all that sees himself above everyone else as has been shown from many of his posts on the Wicked Witch of Liberty Lakes website. It's amazing how some people think they're better than others.

I see you like the excessive anonymity this forum affords you. At least I don't hide behind an infinite number of users names. You could assign to me anything I have said on any forum... I am accountable...unless there are other "debatepro"(s) out there... In any event, who is Wicked Witch of Liberty Lake? Would this person appriciate your slander targeted at their business and livelyhood. And if I use whatever website you are refering to..what is your user name?


[crickets]



That is what I thought.

Posted by todd is crazy

12:47 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Oh Todd, I guess you just need to go to a school where fans are "enlightened" enough to donate bags of money to you and the school for finishing next to last or dead last 4 straight years!

Posted by bellingham husky

12:50 PM, Dec 12, 2007

"I need you with me on this, so when and if I ever call on you, please step up!"

FOR WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES, AND HE MAKES THE WHOLE NATION OF D-1 COLLEGE FOOTBALL FANS AND COACHES NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING

Posted by mean_people_suck

12:51 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I've seen a side of athletics that sickens me with the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts who look upon intercollegiate athletics solely as entertainment to satisfy their own self interests

He is right you know. There are a lot self-anointed experts out there. I wish the times would do a scientific poll to get the true pulse of Husky nation. My guess is that most of the Husky fans think Ty should have gotten his fourth year. Fans that post on message boards are obviously a little more obsessed. I know I am.


He was a good fit when he was hired. He did lay a foundation. The funny thing about construction is that it takes just as long to lay the foundation as it does to build the building. Now we can start the rising.

Posted by Peter80s

12:53 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Dream - Achieve - Win - Grow - Serve - Stay Hot

Posted by BP

12:55 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Todd,

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Good bye and good riddens.

Posted by TDawg

12:55 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Sorry for the topic change but did the schedule changes get approved, ie oregon game Aug 30th, apple cup in Dec?

Posted by Kent

12:57 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Sounds to me like Todd Turner should apply for a job as an AD of a high school. Perhaps Kelly can be his first hire. They'd have lots of academic all state athletes, while consistenly finishing in the cellar. Heaven forbid we find a coach or AD who thinks it possible to win, build character and prepare kids for their future all at the same time. But I guess for 1.5 million a year, that's too much to ask. Stay hot.

Posted by Kent

12:59 PM, Dec 12, 2007

mean people suck, seattle times did a poll asking if TW should get another year, 70% said no. Seems pretty clear what the pulse is to me.

Posted by Fan

1:00 PM, Dec 12, 2007

It's amazing to me that debatepro claims to be a Husky fan, and yet does everything in his power to create division among the fans. I'd say just ignore him. He doesn't seem to know or care much about UW football anyways.

Posted by Don

1:02 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I for one admire what this man for his stance. It's too bad big time college football has become a big time business. I guess morals and integrity take a back seat when it comes to money.

One suggestion for some of you: Share what you write on this blog with your mother and ask her if she thinks you're an idiot or not! I'd love to hear the responses :)

Posted by Dawg

1:02 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Bye TODD. Go get an AD job at Devry where you can't hurt anyone. He obviously didn't know anything about Washington football.

Posted by Matt Hiler

1:03 PM, Dec 12, 2007

i applaud mr. turner, and wish that he wasn't pushed out by idiots--and by idiots i mean people who have the mentality of a lot of people on this blog. in fact the majority of people on this blog sicken me. i'm beginning to thing that some of these people were likely never huskies and are low-life's who make no money, give nothing back to the community, and have serious ineptitude when it comes to ideals. winning isn't everything. it isn't. and if it is you are very sick. what does winning give you in the end? seriously? a little pride to fill that void you have in your life? if sports is all that does it for you then you are truly a loser because there are probably 1,000 issues that are more important in this world. yes, winning is great and we all want to win. but, this shouldn't get in the way of the fact that the UW is an academic institution first. if it weren't for the academic institution there would not be sports---not the other way around. as a husky alum i am more and more disenfranchised by the institution by the day.

Posted by Kent

1:03 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro is the biggest typologist outside of RB you'll ever meet. His judgements are based on nothing more then blind hope. Stay hot debatepro.

Posted by Dawg

1:05 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Anybody know if debatepro is possibly a duck or coug? And speaking of cougs, we're really screwed for next year. They actually have a coach that hates us and wants to beat us, and we've got Paint Dry Ty. Gee, I wonder which coach will want to win that game more and will spend more time preparing.

Posted by Kent

1:07 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Matt Hiler, did creating that strawman make you feel better? Good. Now back to reality. Turner made several questionable and poor decisions while our AD, disenfranchising many fans and boosters from the program. His problems go far beyond Ty Willingham. Do some research (Firing daughtery, raising ticket prices after a 1-10 season, making comments about wanting to be like Oregon, etc). Stay Hot.

Posted by Matt Hiler

1:07 PM, Dec 12, 2007

also winning isn't everything. the vince lombardi quote above is taken out of context. lombardi was talking as an NFL coach, and in that context players play as a livlihood and get paid for it. in college its about graduating, and using that educationa to better serve yourself and the community. 95% of the uw team will never play professionally. so, does it help for them simply to win as a bottom line, or to win and get an education so they get be productive members of society. this blog is filled with uneducated retards.

Posted by John

1:07 PM, Dec 12, 2007

i applaud mr. turner, and wish that he wasn't pushed out by idiots--and by idiots i mean people who have the mentality of a lot of people on this blog. in fact the majority of people on this blog sicken me. i'm beginning to thing that some of these people were likely never huskies and are low-life's who make no money, give nothing back to the community, and have serious ineptitude when it comes to ideals. winning isn't everything. it isn't. and if it is you are very sick. what does winning give you in the end? seriously? a little pride to fill that void you have in your life? if sports is all that does it for you then you are truly a loser because there are probably 1,000 issues that are more important in this world. yes, winning is great and we all want to win. but, this shouldn't get in the way of the fact that the UW is an academic institution first. if it weren't for the academic institution there would not be sports---not the other way around. as a husky alum i am more and more disenfranchised by the institution by the day.

Posted by Matt Hiler at 01:03 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Posted by Dave

1:09 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Don, big time cfb has been a big time business since the days of Roosevelt, and I don't mean FDR but Teddy.

My mom doesn't like everything on this blog, but she agrees with me 100% :)

Posted by idiot

1:11 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Hey Matt, you're on this blog! Do you sicken yourself? If you don't like what we have to say, don't read it! It's a free country, we're not making you read it! I hope your post makes you feel good about yourself though, because while winning may mean nothing to you, I'm sure that talking down to us "idiots" makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, and that's what really matters! LMAO!

Posted by idiot

1:14 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Yo Matt, I've got a Master's degree, is that educated enough?

Posted by debatepro

1:15 PM, Dec 12, 2007

fan: It's amazing to me that debatepro claims to be a Husky fan, and yet does everything in his power to create division among the fans. I'd say just ignore him. He doesn't seem to know or care much about UW football anyways.

Nice try. Why do you keep changing your name and hiding... seriously. My history defending the huskies against the most vile and outrageous lunatic fringe is well documented... if by dividing the fan base you mean pushing back against the people who say they hope we fail because they didn't get there way about a coaching change... then I guess I am the one responsible for the division.

Posted by Dave

1:15 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Matt, I commend your perspective on the proper role of sports in life (except for the part where you pass judgment on people based on whether they're "low lifes who make no money"). Surely an AD with your ideals would never have fired Gilby or Duagherty due to lack of wins. Nor would such an enlightened person attempt to charge $60+ for the privilege of attending something as ephemeral as a college football game.

Posted by Kent

1:17 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro, when 70% of fans want TW fired, that no longer makes us the lunatic fringe. Stay Hot.

Posted by fan

1:19 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro - I'm a fan, I'll root for us to will all year next year, and at the same time believe Ty is a terrible coach. What's wrong with that? My opinion is that Ty stinks. I also want to see the Huskies win. I root for us to win each week, but I also would love a coaching change. There's nothing wrong with this, and 70% of fans do. What will you do if Ty gets fired? Will you blast all the people who love the new coach and keep talking about what a shame it is that Ty's gone, or will you support the new coach??

Posted by MelloDawg

1:20 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Hey Matt,


Get out of your basement and quit playing World of Warcraft. Start watching sports.

Posted by TrojanTesti

1:20 PM, Dec 12, 2007

If Husky fans are still depending on the Seattle Times for objective UW coverage even after the Neuheisal fiasco, you must be the dumbest fan base out there.

Thanks you Seattle Times.

Posted by Matt Hiler

1:23 PM, Dec 12, 2007

KENT
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I love how you regurgitate what the times and p-i articles reference when they speak of some discontentment. in reality, the reasons for that discontentment is unusually minor when talking about what the husky program had been through when hedges was here.
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oh, my god he compared us to the ducks? my god, he should be fired! the fact of the matter is that the ducks are far ahead of us in certain areas right now--the state of their football program and their facilities. hmmmm, could the increase in the ticket sales help alleviate the later? um, yea, 1+1 does equal 2! with respect to the football program, it is my personal belief that we are far ahead of where we were when he arrived. does are win-loss record in comparison from last year reflect that? NO. does the state of the team as it stands reflect increased optimism that we will be far better next year than this year? I think a majority of people would say , YES
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he disenfranchised fans? do you know what the word "disenfranchise" means, or did you throw it out there because its a big word, and carries a lot of weight? the 30 or so ticket holders that i know weren't disenfranchised. once a husky, always a husky. you don't get disenfranchised by paying a $100 or so more bucks a year to watch the team you "bleed" for. without a doubt some were mad, or were like wtf? but, they also knew that their was a stadium to be renovated and a program to be rebuilt.
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good one with june daughtery. i'm sure this was a key reason that played into his firing.

Posted by Go Ahead Now

1:24 PM, Dec 12, 2007

1. I don't know if saying "stay hot" is a phrase that middle-aged white dudes in front of their computers took from Paris Hilton and use thinking they are hip. But when you guys say it, thats sure what it seems like. So just in case you think its an argument winner, or funny, or hip, or whatever ... um, its just really weird in a sleezy way. Grown men should never say "Stay hot" in any context.
2. I have not read any original comments on this board for about a week. Everything says the same thing, everyone wants to say something.
3. Interesting that one of Turner's "friends" leaked that letter to the media. Surely they must have realized that the line about you guys would be so flammable.
4. So tired of all this administration stuff. I would love to hear us get back to talking about football. Who is going to step up next year? What new guys will be starting? Will we not hear about the other 4 scholarship offers until much later i wonder?

Posted by OlyDawg

1:25 PM, Dec 12, 2007

That 70% is quite skewed in statistical terms, as the people that would participate in a voluntary poll are more likely to spend the time to take part in the poll if they are unhappy with the current situation because they feel their voice needs to be heard.


Whereas a person who is satisfied with the current situation has little reason to participate because their voice is being "heard" (ie. Ty is still the coach). So that 70% really shouldn't be taken as gospel.

Posted by debatepro

1:25 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent: debatepro is the biggest typologist outside of RB you'll ever meet. His judgements are based on nothing more then blind hope. Stay hot debatepro.

Evidently I am not the only one that thinks he should get another year.


Justification for keeping Coach Willingham:
Ed Cunningham:"Well, the second string quarterback and the coach that you don't have are the two most popular people when you're not winning games," said Cunningham with a laugh. "It's not a football fan condition; it's a human condition. We want what we cannot have. How many cliches are available for that kind of thing? The grass is greener on the other side of the fence, etc. As football fans, we have a tendency to rush to judgment. There are many examples out there of programs that wanted to run off their coach that ended up being successful in the long run because they kept their coach there. Virginia Tech, Kentucky, the list goes on and on. There's a lot of them."

Dawg: Anybody know if debatepro is possibly a duck or coug? And speaking of cougs, we're really screwed for next year. They actually have a coach that hates us and wants to beat us, and we've got Paint Dry Ty. Gee, I wonder which coach will want to win that game more and will spend more time preparing.
Right you insult the program and I defend it ... with quotes I gather... radio interviews I personlly transcribe in defense the evil things people say about coach willingham and emmert and I am the coug or duck? Keep changing your name an hiding.

A2 "Selling season tickets and stopping support for the huskies."
Hugh: We can agree on some level when there is a splintered fan base that is a tougher climate in which to operate. What are your thoughts on the 2008 season and moving forward in that area?
Emmert: First of all the people who are real husky fans. They need to be supportive of this football team. You know I got a gazillion emails... it seems like everybody around has been getting them. You know when someone says to me "you now I have been a husky fan 286 year and I have had 200 season tickets and I am never going to a game again." You know I guess that is not much of a husky fan. They need to support this football team. See how the season goes and what really occurs. The fact that people are unhappy with the decision right now has got to be around the assumption that we are not going to win many games next year. Well let's go play football and see what we win. And that is what they really have to focus on... we need to support this team and give these kids who play their hearts out for us every Saturday everything we can to help them be successful. That's the single most important thing to me... making sure these young men have the support we can provide them to be successful.


I don't need your approval... people who me or know of me... know I only drink purple koolaid.

Posted by Kent

1:27 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I just used it cause it's a big word. You are so much smarter then everyone Matt. How do you find the time to deal w/ intellectual inferiors like us. I hope to someday be as smart as you. Thanks for setting me straight. Stay hot.

Posted by Tan

1:28 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Turner seems to have a political correct approach to his work and life...it's a cancer in our society and it was with the athletic program at the U...maybe now we will get back on track...BTW, when are we going to hire a winner in women's soccer? This state is loaded with D1 players that go out of state...yes, I know Deines is destined to be a Husky next year...

Posted by SoCal Dawg

1:29 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Turner said the following when he fired the women's crew coach at UW:

"The women's rowing program at Washington has a history of great success on a national level," said Turner. "Being among the country's top programs presents a number of challenges, not the least of which is maintaining our ability to compete for national championships...our program has not been able to maintain its position for the last several years and I feel that it is in the best interests of the long-term direction for the Husky women's crew to make a change."

He just got held to the same standard.

Posted by Kent

1:30 PM, Dec 12, 2007

degbatepro, Ed Cunningham also wanted Oregon to win the national championship. Were you cheering for the puke green and piss yellow subhumans to win it all as well? Stay hot.

Posted by Husky19

1:34 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Turner is right when he said:


"I've seen a side of athletics that sickens me with the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts who look upon intercollegiate athletics solely as entertainment to satisfy their own self interests"


Most everyone on this blog (not everyone) does not care about the individual student-athlete and they only care about satisfying their own self interests by winning and beating other teams and rivals. The only way one can understand is to have been a student-athlete. Being a former student-athlete at UW, trust me, it is more challenging then being just a student. The demanding hours in the classroom, weightroom, film room and all while trying to find time to study for school and maybe even eat. Todd Turner is right, most fans are self-appointed experts that don't know a thing and just want to win at all costs. They could care less about the integrity of the program and just want to win.


With that said, I do think that winning can be accomplished without comprimising the department's integrity and principles. I believe winning and integrity can go hand-in-hand. I do also believe that winning would have made his job easier and he would have the money and support to instill all the things that improve a student-athlete's experience, reconnect them to the upper campus mission and prepare them for life after school and athletics.


Last thing, how about that new coach at Wsu challenging/attacking UW! Wow, what an expectation he has set for himself. Imagine if he loses to UW 4-5 times in a row!

Posted by Matt Hiler

1:35 PM, Dec 12, 2007

stay "hot"? is this 9th grade salutation you learned in your masters program? this has nothing to do with people being smarter than others. its funny how you re-frame the issue as such. if idiots = lack of intellect to you then so be it. i simply use the words idiot to refer to someone who doesn't carefully reason through situations. take it as you will. i have read this blog since the pre-season and it goes without saying that there are some of the most impassioned intelligent people on here when it comes to looking at the entire picture (even if i don't agree with them). i'm just saying that certain people on this particular blog posting are idiots (see the first and i believe the third post).
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listen we all want the huskies to win. but, when are we going to have stability? why keep TW but fire Turner? "new blood"? is this what we need? debate is on......but i think we should have let the status quo stand for 1 more year in both the admin front and the coaching front. just an opinion. there is no right or wrong here.

Posted by debatepro

1:37 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Fan & Kent: when 70% of fans want TW fired


Based on what measure? Are you talking about the internet poll from the Steve Kelly article where he called for coach Willingham to lose his job? You must be a polling expert...
1. Even the most careful and reliable "internet polls" on the planet Zolby Interactive is filled with numerous flaws and has been proven time and time again to be WRONG.
2. The poll didn't limit itself to husky fans... last time I checked.
3. It was a push">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll">push poll... the poll was in an article that basically flamed coach Willingham for several paragraphs... then asked if you agreed...
4. Online polls get freeped... it gets posted on say the free forum on dawgman.con and then all the fringe on that board... tell their friends... the cougs and ducks that post on those sites vote aswell... go ahead and keep talking about it like it is some holy grail of facts... when anyone who had spent 10 minutes reading about polling methodologies would have known better.

Posted by Snoop Dawg

1:40 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro,

I challenge you to a debate. The challenge to you is to prove that Ty Willingham is more than a mediocre major college head football coach. Are you up for a debate?

Posted by The Guy Next Door

1:40 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent, wny don't you try something different for a change and stop reciting other people's facts and positions, while trying to come up with some on your own? You seem to know very little about the Husky program, other than what you read on these blogs or hear from others.

Posted by reality sucks, huh...

1:40 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent-

that poll on the Times' website was far from scientific. Not only is the group of individuals likely to vote in such a poll often taken from a group not so representative of the whole population but additionally there was nothing built into the poll to keep individuals from voting multiple times (admittedly I myself voted 10-15 times). Given all of that, it is possible but HIGHLY UNLIKELY that the results of the Times' poll has any resemblance to the true percentage of Husky fans that thought TW should get another year.

Posted by debatepro

1:41 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent: degbatepro, Ed Cunningham also wanted Oregon to win the national championship.


It is common for people without any productive to add to a conversation to attack the source instead of the substance. how does it go... stay hot!

Posted by idiot

1:42 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I'm the one who said I had a Master's. But Kent certainly could have one too. I'm surprised that you'd assume it though, Matt. Do you think he does because he's smarter than you and you avoid every valid point he makes?
And Matt, one more question. You say we need stability, so do you think we should keep Kent Baer? Certainly firing Baer would be unstable, yet many people who claim UW needs this magical word stability think we need to fire our DC!

Posted by The Guy Next Door

1:42 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent, why don't you try something different and come up with your own facts and opinions, rather than just recite what you hear from others and see on ESPN? This Board is probably tired of the ignorance of people like you.

Anyone have an update on the possible demise of Dave "Softy" Mahler from the ISP Radio Network?

Posted by Tracy

1:42 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Give me one example of a University in this country that fills a 75,000 seat stadium to applaud the effort and integrity of a program. This idiot presumes to tell me that I'm uninformed and that if I'm a real dawg I'll continue to pour over money to help them have a well-rounded and rewarding collegiate experience?

What he is missing is that his community already gets it. We already understand! We like the Steve Largents, the Edgar Martinezezez, the Max Strongs, the quiet and humble people who bring their lunch bucket and give their best effort...Seattle is already there...we don't like the showboating or the popping off or Jeremy Stevens and Jason Shelley types. We were on your side all along Mr. Turner. What you did was ask us, no...demanded, us to accept losing as a consequence of playing by the rules. That talk is for losers and is beneath the integrity of the UW...hell even beneath WSU. Go back to Vanderbilt...and quickly.

Posted by Snoop Dawg

1:44 PM, Dec 12, 2007

"Listen we all want the huskies to win. but, when are we going to have stability?" - Matt Hiller


When we finally hire a good head football coach. Willingham is a loser. Stability with a proven loser is insanity, unless of course you like losing. Take a look at college football for a clue, most turn arounds are quick.

Posted by debatepro

1:45 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent here are some more reasons to keep coach willingham...

Softy: Lets delve into that and talk about what you heard from Todd Turner and what you heard from Tyrone Willingham... you mentioned the situation... what you saw from the situation that led you to believe that retaining him was the proper call?
Emmert: If you look back at the season and where the team is right now most people would agree that the offensive side of the team did pretty darn well and in some respects they improved their performance pretty dramatically over past year ... if you look at just what happens on the field they are putting up a lot of points and if you look at just how well we were scoring we were scoring enough points to win a lot more games than we did. And where the breakdowns were...were on the defensive side and Coach Willingham and I talked a good bit about that sometimes even during the season mostly of course at the end. He has discussed some things he knows need to get changed and he is going to figure out exactly what those are and act on them. And I have confidence that he will do that. Similarly, he is obviously having some success with recruiting. We are bringing in some kids that will be a good addition to the program from everything I can tell and I am not an expert on that but that looks very encouraging. And you have to weigh that with what is happening off the field which is very very positive and very successful from my vantage point and I know that doesn't satisfy people who are focused primarily on wins and losses but it is not unimportant to me. Also the fact that when you change you introduce all manner of turmoil all over again and we do have players on this team that have been sort of in a foster child situation. Where they've been changing coaches very often. So at the end of the day, and while it was not something everyone wanted to see, it was a decision that I was very comfortable with. And I want to see Ty finish out this string and see what he can do with mostly his players on the field next season.

Posted by Kent

1:46 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Witz, you're about 10 years late to this debate. You recite facts I send you 2 weeks later and claing them as your own. You're a moron. How is that.

Posted by Eugene Husky

1:50 PM, Dec 12, 2007

What a well thought out, well written letter....until he gets to the parting shots of the fans.


That paragraph got me hot--this is the "incessant interloping of uninformed" problem we have...oh sorry, we want to WIN so we are "UNINFORMED AND UNENLIGHTENED". If that wasn't enough, you called out who you were talking about...."I.E. FANS." WTF!!??


Is it appropriate to send a message that winning isn't everything? Yes, as long as you show that losing isn't acceptable at the same time. The ingorance of defending the student athlete experience, and the distinct claim of "athletics is second" at this university, is obvious. Of course we want to have it all, Todd. What you are saying is that it isn't possible ALL AT THE SAME TIME.


Athletics is a business. The University is a business. They are all related. And results is important in every business--do you think Emmert doesn't care how the grades go and how his professors perform? He absolutely does. So is he supposed to give you a moral victory because you have "established a principle-centered, compliance-sensitive culture in the Athletics Department." Sorry dude, your job was to make that an obvious formality AND win.


This thought process is entirely what we have been suffering from this whole time. People accept that we had challenges with the R.N. thing and the poor AD handling by Hedges, so we had to stop the bleeding--so we hire people with "high character" that will give us a great reputation and a soft approach.


What ever happened to both--be respected off the field and work people over on it?


Brewer, there is no APB needed--it was needed if we would have kept BOTH TW and TT. Now we show that winning is important to this university.


And TT showed not only did it not matter much with his agenda, he spat in the face of the hands that fed his over-paid salary.


Jerk.


~Eugene Husky

Posted by Everett fan

1:55 PM, Dec 12, 2007

To Matt Hiler (1:03) YOU WROTE:
"yes, winning is great and we all want to win. but, this shouldn't get in the way of the fact that the UW is an academic institution first. if it weren't for the academic institution there would not be sports---not the other way around."

Yes, there would be sports, see NFL. We pay to watch them, we pay to watch UW. If you want people to pay to watch you play (note the irony?), then play well.

Posted by ryan

1:56 PM, Dec 12, 2007

to be fair debatepro - willingham has been reluctatnt to make changes to his staff in previous jobs, there's nothing in his history that proves he will do it now. we're just hoping at this point that he will. w/ TT gone, and his job left solely up to his win/loss record in 2008 you'd think he would make a change. we'll see.
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tgnd - stop telling people to read your posts, they aren't funny, or clever, or informative.

Posted by Kevin

1:57 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I agree with the decision to "fire" Turner. It is time to move to the next level. I thank TT for the job he did cleaning up a mess left by BH. That is what he was hired for and he succeeded. Now it is time to hire an AD that can balance winning with integrity. I'm confident that Emmert will hire just such a person. As much as I and other Husky fans cringe at a certain P-I columnists "probation nation" reference when talking about Husky athletics it was becoming the perception well beyond WSU, Oregon, the Northwest or the PAC 10. Now is the time though for a football first AD that will demand results. Having said that I fully support TY in the coming year and have confidence that with what he has coming back we'll be successful on the field. I personally will accept no less than a Holiday bowl next year. Should the new AD decide Ty is gone before next year I will fully support any new coach and the team. I will not be threatening to turn in my tickets. My question to those asking "what if" questions about supporting a new coach would be; Would you support Ty if he makes the Holiday Bowl next year, wins 9-10 games the following year, then makes it to the BCS championship, but loses the next year? I think 95% of those wanting Ty to go would say yes, but the other 5% are just like TT in that it is not all about wins & losses. In your case it is all about race.

Posted by rickdawg

1:57 PM, Dec 12, 2007

There are real experts, self-annointed experts, and then there are bad athletic directors. You see, Todd Turner's big mistake was in not giving the coaching selection process a fair chance to work. He stated very clearly that there was only one guy he ever really considered!!! Well, that's funny coming from a Vanderbilt AD. How could you be so self-assured and rule out so many good coaching candidates? TW would have been, at best, the bottom of the list for most football schools after getting his butt run out of town at ND. That was a colossal failure and a stupid move. Most people who make those kind of failures and get fired, don't get paid two more years of $325,000 salary. Wow.


And then there's the bull about improving the "culture." I wish they would quit it with that crap. It's all a cover for failure. NCAA compliance is not a culture. Losing is. If you want to watch Vandy football, do it at Vandy. TW would probably come along. He'd be a good fit over there.

Posted by Steve

1:58 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Hey Todd- If you want to sit in a half empty Husky Stadium for 4 hours and cheer on academic achievement, then go to the graduation ceremony! We, on the other hand, want to see some wins on Saturday! I don't pay $60 a game to sit there and say "Well, we may be losing 70-0, but at least the players get good grades."

Posted by Kent

1:59 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Hey Guy Next Door, come up w/ my own facts? Facts are facts. They are owned by no one. Fact - TW finished 10th, 9th 10th. What do you want me to do, re-write history? Fact - Ty Won less pac 10 games over the last 3 years then Stanford has won. What other fact about that should I come up with? Who owned that stat? Who owns stats and facts. I base my judgements on TW's resume through all 13 years of his stint. I would like to know what you base your judgements on.

Posted by MPM

2:02 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Can anyone point me to a TT quote where he says (or even implies) that UW can't win and run a clean program with integrity at the same time?


So many people keep attributing this view to him, and I just haven't seen him say anything like that.

Posted by Kent

2:02 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Guy next Door, I'll be waiting for you to fill me in on my ignorance over TW. I'm sure the rest of those who favor TW's removal are curious about why you think they are ignorant as well.

Posted by Peter80s

2:03 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent, I believe he bases his judgement on TW's character and the fact that his kids live life the right way. At least that's what I read when I see his stuff on the CAL blogs.

Stay Hot Wizard aka The Mayor aka Drew aka Fabritz

Posted by debatepro

2:04 PM, Dec 12, 2007

ryan: to be fair debatepro - willingham has been reluctatnt to make changes to his staff in previous jobs, there's nothing in his history that proves he will do it now. we're just hoping at this point that he will. w/ TT gone, and his job left solely up to his win/loss record in 2008 you'd think he would make a change. we'll see.


1. I am about 99.9999% sure there will be changes made to the staff on the defensive side. If bob could go on the record about it I am sure he would say the same thing. Perhaps I am wrong about the bob part but there will be changes on the defensive side of the ball.
2. He didn't bring his coordinator from ND when he came on board.

I posted some information about Baer yesterday... he was a finalist for assistant of the year in 2k2... and there were "some" positive things about he defenses during his time there... I am not surprised willingham gave him a chance to prove himself here... it didn't work out and now changes will be made.

Posted by Kent

2:05 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro, I think ed cunningham is an idiot. So the "content" of his comments, hold 0 water with me.

Posted by idiot

2:09 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Somebody made a great point about going to watch graduation ceremonies. If all you're about is academics, then why even go to the football games? Maybe you should sit in on some classes and offer your services to tutor some athletes? Then go to see them graduate and accomplish their ultimate goal. If you truly care more about players graduating than playing well on the field, why are you watching them play football and not watching them graduate?? Actions speak louder than words my friends.

Posted by Peter80s

2:09 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I am about 99.9999% sure that Baer will be back. 13 years is longer then many marriages.

Posted by Andy H

2:15 PM, Dec 12, 2007

jai - Just listen to Turner's comments of late and you can tell he is more committed to making the "experience" a good one rather than winning. Having a good "experience" is fine, but he can't act like such a cry baby that he's under pressure to field a winning football team.

Posted by debatepro

2:15 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Peter80s: I am about 99.9999% sure that Baer will be back.


How about a friendly wager... If Baer is the DC next year I will no longer post on these boards... If he isn't then you will no longer post on these forums under "any" user name (i can't believe how many people say "stay hot" on these boards)... it's pretty obvious who I am ... i am incapable of posting without quoting someone directly. Deal?

Posted by The Guy Next Door

2:16 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Here's the deal why I thought TT was a bad fit going back to when he was hired. If you look at the institutions where he came from, most are situated in geographic areas where the local university's athletic events, etc. are the only game in town. Therefore, its often easier to raise funds for these programs.

However, when TT came to UW, in my opinion, he failed to realize that the Huskies are not the "only game in town" (Go Sounders). I don't think he appreciated the impact of the Mariners, Seahawks, Sonics, performing arts, etc., which is why I think he wildly misjudged the response he would get to his fundraising ideas, most of which I felt were unnecessary.

Oh Kent, just so you know, I wrote this all by myself- didn't even need my Mom's assistance.

Posted by Matt Hiler

2:17 PM, Dec 12, 2007

No offense Everett Fan but you need to understand basic logic. I am talking about college, not the NFL. the NFL exists in an of itself as a separate entity. the UW football team exists because there is an academic institution from which it formed. well, its neither here nor there, but your comment does not make sense....but the point is irrelevant now in terms of the theme of this blog posting
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baer needs to get out. i am a TW supporter for one more year, but it was conditioned on the fact that we would get a new D coordinator. i'm hoping/assuming that the new blood (of which i don't personally think we need this year, but perhaps next year after evaluation) will push this very idea to TW. perhaps Turner gave TW the blanket discretion on this front (who will be on his staff) and Emmert didn't like it, at least w/ respect to Baer. so, perhaps the new AD will be as much of an actual boss in terms of making concrete conditional demands on TW; i.e. micro-manager of the team organization sort of like a NFL G.M. who knows. if that is the case then perhaps there may be a bright side in terms of "wins" for next season. nonetheless, i think TT has the right philosophy for this institution and he was more than a respectable man and AD.
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question: for the new AD what are the immediate expectations? (aside from W/L record next year)

Posted by debatepro

2:17 PM, Dec 12, 2007

should be "next season" instead of next year... year he may be replaced during q1 2k8

Posted by ryan

2:21 PM, Dec 12, 2007

he didn't bring his o-coordinator from ND to UW because he wasn't allowed to, or so the story goes. his reluctance to fire diedrick is what also got him fired from ND.
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kent baer has had something like 2 good defenses in his illustrious career, one of which was in 2002, which was actually worse than ND's 2001 defense - statistically.
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i'll believe that tw will fire baer when he actually does it.

Posted by Steve

2:22 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Adding to my earlier point of Todd going to see graduation, the idea of academics first and winning second goes against the entire philosophy of the way a modern football program is run. Is it a bad thing to encourage these guys grow and develop as people and further their education? Absolutely not. Most of them won't go on to play football, so they should take advantage of the opportunity they have received.
However, we give these guys full ride scholarships to an internationally renowned school to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES. That is the point. Not to get A's. We have plenty of tutoring programs and "study sessions" to help them in that regard.
If all we care about is academics then why not save that scholarship and give it to a 4.0 student who aced their SAT's? Why are we giving it to some kid who might not even make it into the UW if he wasn't a gifted athlete? Or better- why not field a football team of entirely walk-ons, guys who got into the school based on their academics, then award them scholarships?

Posted by The Guy Next Door

2:24 PM, Dec 12, 2007

At this time, I would like to apologize to anyone out there who felt offended by some of my previous posts. I am in the middle of Step 9 of my Husky rehabilitation program- apologizing to all those I may have offended because they "jumped the gun" and believed the hype that Willingham would be fired. I truly hope I can be forgiven.

GO DAWGS!

Posted by Kent

2:24 PM, Dec 12, 2007

So TGND, did you favor TT's removal?

Posted by Matt Hiler

2:26 PM, Dec 12, 2007

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THE GUY NEXT DOOR
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those are some interesting observations on TT and fundraising. so, should we be advocating the sonics to leave or move to renton? joke. do you think its more a product of demographics or wins/losses? or, was it a matter of personality of the AD and/or coach? for instance if mora was here last year and won only 4 games, could he generate more $ from boosters this year and next? should the coach be not only a winner on the field, but a salesman (in a good way of course); i.e. pete carrol? food for thought
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ed cunningham and idiot? regardless of your opinion on his commentary he is articulate and makes coherent statements. plus he is a husky. KENT***what is your purpose here? do you try to look at the huskies objectively?

Posted by Kent

2:28 PM, Dec 12, 2007

TGND, we are still waiting on why we are jumping the gun. You are quick to call us wrong and ignorant, but provide nothing to support your belief he should stay. I have a mountain of evidence that has convinced me TW is nothing more then a mediocre coach. What proves he isn't a mediocre coach? Hope? Blind Faith? Tell us, please.

Posted by debatepro

2:28 PM, Dec 12, 2007

ryan: he didn't bring his o-coordinator from ND to UW because he wasn't allowed to, or so the story goes.
Right I remember that "story" as well... without a signle named source. I think many people will be happy hopefully soon when Baer is replaced... before the end of the first quarter...

Posted by Kent

2:31 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Matt Hiler - please look at your statement - ed cunningham and idiot?... he is a husky. KENT***...do you try to look at the huskies objectively?

Do you not even see the contradictary nature of your own statement. Wait, don't answer that, of course you don't, you're a typlogist. Stay hot.

Posted by ryan

2:31 PM, Dec 12, 2007

ed cunningham being a husky doesn't make him infallible.
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frankly, i can't take him serious simply because he was an offensive lineman and now looks like he weighs 180 lbs. someone needs to look in to this. it's weird.

Posted by Firebaer

2:34 PM, Dec 12, 2007

...so glad you're out of here. I hope the next AD has a little more respect for the Alums that fund this program.
Now, if only Kent Baer would "resign."

Posted by Nonsense

2:36 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro, I have no idea what will happen with Baer, but please don't leave this message board. I feel you are the ONLY voice of reason I've seen on this topic, yet. If some of the other users would study up on their rhetoric, then perhaps these boards could become something better than worthless.

Posted by Kent

2:39 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro, praising yourself under a different handle is a cute trick.

Posted by Nice

2:41 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Nicely put TT. You bloggers and Emertt (who is lieing through his teeth) deserve that one 100%. And I agree.

I see what all of you want -- recruiting violations..so let's bring back Rick...and Babs. See if she can get the city of Seattle and the UW commity to build the stadium in one stride instead of doing what Emertt wants to do which is Phases. OUR STADIUM SUCKS PEOPLE!

Posted by Everett fan

2:42 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Sorry for the late post, but things were slack, so when several mentioned Jerry B's column, I went back and read the first part (as much as I could stomach). I almost never read him, and now I am even more adament.
Please let me repeat what I said a few weeks back - and I think it's a consensus - coaching changes have to be made. These can be in philosophy, in procedures by the present staff. But, if they are unwilling or incapable of making those changes, then changes in staff are mandatory.
Back when Mike Lude was AD, and DJ the coach, we had quality on and off the field. All this came crashing down under Babs. I cling to the unfounded hope that at least part of Geberding's departure was due to his butchering of the football program to spite Don James' political conservatism.

Posted by Stay Hot

2:42 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent is the most brilliant voice of reason on the plant. Please don't go Kent, what would we do without you. Everyone else on this board is idiots though and provides nothing useful.

Posted by Sven

2:44 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Nice,

Is it impossible to win clean? Rick and Babs won dirty while Ty and Todd lost clean.


They're both failures.

Posted by debatepro

2:45 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro, praising yourself under a different handle is a cute trick.


Nice try... C for effort...

I have
never posted on this board under any name. If the board tracks IP's it would be easy to prove. I would be more than happy to cooperate with the board moderater to validate this claim. Would the negadawgs be willing to do the same? Perhaps we could get the moderator engaged in a community driven project to find out which users are logging on with multiple names... who is with me?

Posted by The Guy Next Door

2:47 PM, Dec 12, 2007

"Jumping the Gun" is a reference to those who thought Mora was a "shoe-in" to be the Huskies' next coach if/when Willingham was fired. Its my belief that the great majority, not all, but a great majority, of those who wanted Willingham gone was because of the presence of Mora, and the absence of such presence, these people would've been more inclined to give Willingham another year.

The Mora situation is similar to the one involving Les Miles and Michigan, where a large segment of observers, myself included, felt that Miles was a lock to go to Michigan. And now, we see the Michigan coaching search is in shambles. I believe the Huskies would've found themselves in a similar situation if Willingham had been let go and Mora said 'no' to the job. What would've happened then. I didn't really sense that we had a backup in mind. That's no to say I would've been completely against letting Willingham go, but if you do that, you better have someone in mind who you think can do a better job, and more importantly, WANTS THE JOB! I think people read too much into Mora's KJR interview last season w/ that fat slob from KJR, Dave "Softy" Mahler.

Posted by Peter80s

2:48 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I am all for it. Peter80s is often imitated but never duplicated.

Posted by NorDawg

2:49 PM, Dec 12, 2007

To start, I am glad that Turner is gone, because he obviously doesn't understand winning. BUT, I have to agree with him on one thing: there definitely IS more to intercollegiate athletics than just providing entertainment to the fans out there. A college athlete's primary function is not for the fans; it is to grow as a person and athlete. Indeed, most fans are not experts in anything other than their own need for entertainment; but this doesn't make them unimportant. There needs to be a balance between these, though, because winning IS important, especially at a place like Washington (or Michigan, or Nebraska, or Penn State, etc.). Fans must remember, though, that this isn't the NFL. These athletes are students, not professionals. Hopefully, we'll all see more of our students one day being professionals, which will come as a result of winning. That's why a change in leadership is needed.

Posted by HuskyInC-Bus

2:49 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Bob:

has Andy Geiger's name been tossed around...you know he was an AD at a small school in Columbus Ohio. He even went out on a limb to hire a D-1 AA coach named tressel! Besides he's also gone thru something of a renovation...big time at the other Shoe. I know he's been used as a sounding board for the UW stadium renovation. His wife is from the squim area I believe and I know he's out there retired. I'm not sure he wants to work that hard with the problems we still have there?

Husky in C-Bus

Posted by Hills

2:50 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Sven is the worst kind of fan!!

Posted by LockerNation

2:50 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Todd should have taken Ty with him to Imagination Land.

Posted by debatepro

2:51 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Peter80s: I am all for it. Peter80s is often imitated but never duplicated.
For the bet or the community driven project to find out which users are posting under different names?

Posted by Kent

2:52 PM, Dec 12, 2007

TGND, do you do any real research into statements you make, or just throw them out there and hope no one will call you out? Just FYI, Todd Turner spent 7 years at Vanderbilt prior to coming to UW. Vanderbilt is located in Nashville, Tennessee. Vanderbilt sports aren't exactly "the only game in town". Perhaps you aren't aware, but Nashville is also home to the NFL's Tennessee Titans and the NHL's Nashville Predators. Nashville is also home to one of the biggest country music scenes in the world. So it's not exactly like Turner was the only show in town. For the sake of the board, please educate yourself before you post again.

Posted by Jiggz

2:54 PM, Dec 12, 2007

"the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts..."

LOL! I have to agree with TT on this one - this actually describes the majority of sports fans, not just UW fans.

Most seem to think they're experts at play calling, how to run a team/program, etc. Fools.

Posted by Peter80s

2:55 PM, Dec 12, 2007

DP you should read the earlier post where I responded to the bet.


Maybe the Times can get Chris Hanson from Dateline NBC to do recon on the IP addresses?


Stay Hot DP

Posted by BigDog

2:56 PM, Dec 12, 2007

depatepro... you seem to have a lot of inside information. On that note, is TT planning to sue the UW after he leaves since he made this bizarre statement, "I need you with me on this, so when and if I ever call on you, please step up!." Or is he turning his mission or crusade to becoming a TV evangelical??? He sounds like he could bring in the $$$ there.

Posted by Kent

2:56 PM, Dec 12, 2007

TGND, everyone i've ever talked to wanted Ty fired because he's a mediocre caoch, who has a .300 winning percentage at UW over 3 years. Where do you get your information? Mitch in the morning is not the voice of Husky fans. Mora was an attractive fill in though. There is no denying that. Please stop making assumptions about us, then insulting us based on your incorrect assumptions.

Posted by Kent

2:59 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Peter80's is like the Joracle's Monday Night Specials. Often imitated but never duplicated!

Posted by The Guy Next Door

3:00 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent, I have been to Nashville and am well aware that Turner was previously at Vanderbilt, which is why, if you would be so kind to review that post again, you will notice I said "most" schools. BTW- you're also forgetting some famous Nashville destinations, such as the Opryland, Grand Ole Opry, Loveless Cafe, Country Music Hall of Fame, just to name a few.

The fact is that Vandy's athletic dept. was essentially disbanded under Turner's watch and brought in under the control of the office of the University's President. So we can see what a great job he did there.

Posted by ummm

3:08 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Debatablepro,
Are you that arrogant to think that only ONE person feels that you think you're better than everyone else!?!?!?!? OK, stupid question. Anyone that would call themselves "debatepro" is obviously full of themselves. And you know very well who the "wicked witch of liberty lake" is....You fit in at that site rather well.

But to the football issue. Have you personally ever played (not on the playstation or flag/intramural)? Probably not since you're THE "DEBATEPRO". Debate team must have been very taxing physically. Joke.......

Anything?

"Cricket".....Original.

Again, go have dinner with your witch and soon to be EX-AD Loser. Buh/bye.

Posted by Kent

3:10 PM, Dec 12, 2007

TGND, just another FYI for you - NC State, another former home of Todd Turner, isn't exactly "the only game in town either". North Carolina State University is situated in West Raleigh, and fellow ACC rivals, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Tar Heels, and the Duke University Blue Devils, are no more than a 30 minute drive away. In addition, Wake Forest University in nearby Winston-Salem brings the total number of ACC schools to four. The Pirates of East Carolina University reside 75 miles (121 km) away in Greenville, North Carolina. So unless 1 out of 3 schools counts as most, you're misinformed yet again. Although it sounds like you agree Turner is a failure, which is what I've been saying all along. So I'm not sure why you called me ignorant for making that statement.

Posted by kdawg

3:11 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Todd's line on winning the right way, on the surface sounds good, like a guy you'd want on your team. But underlying it all is a tone that sounds like winning and integrity are mutually exclusive, or, at the very least, a long term proposition. Granted, UW was in a tough place when he arrived. Probably a long term proposition in getting the football team back to the top. However, the program has stagnated somewhat if you compare how close we were to a bowl last year with how close we were this year. For this year, it's just too obvious that the defense needs an overhaul. His undoing, in my opinion, was his decision to leave all choices pertaining to the team up to Willingham, which runs the possibility of Baer staying another year. In his letter, it's obvious that TT's values closely align with TW. Getting rid of Baer has nothing to do with integrity. It's about the ability to tell TW that some changes are due and that he better pull the trigger before next year. He wasn't willing to do that, most likely due to the similarity of values between TT and TW. So, Todd, you're a likeable guy, and skilled, but you lost your objectivity along the way, and as far as I can see, it was your own undoing. I wish you the best, and hope you've learned from the experience.

Posted by Dawg Man

3:17 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof

Posted by Peter80s

3:20 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Dream-check
Achieve-nope
Win-nope
Grow-check
Serve-check


3 outta 5 is not bad for a personal mantra.

Posted by John Koehler

3:20 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I am so embarrassed. I couldn't agree with Jerry Brewer more. Winning is important, but it isn't everything. I have been reading this blog and listening to the win at all costs, winning is the only thing rants and thinking that such nonsense didn't radiate far from the infantile individuals who fill this blog. I should have spoke up. I want a return of football success. I want the dominant program that competes for the PAC-10 championship every years and aspires to the national title. I just want a respectable program more. I don't care how damn successful the team is, if the school abandons principles and pursues dirty atletics in a single-minded pursuit of wins I will disassociate myself from the program. Hoprfully, that is not where this program is heading. The inmates are running the prison. Yes, I am referring to all of you who scream win, baby, just win.

Posted by Yakima Sundodger

3:20 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I think Todd Turner did a commendable job in restoring integrity to the U-Dub. I also think he has the football program on the right track. I'm sorry to see him leave, though I still don't understand firing June Daugherty to create "buzz", especially in light of his recent misgivings about the "win-at-all-costs" mentality.


But, what puzzles me is that he'd listen to, much less be bothered by, the volume of uninformed, unenlightened fans who fester around every major college program. Seems to me the way to make a model of winning a championship the right way and thus achieveing balance between integrity and excellence is to tune out the dufus booster, blog writer and fat cat who thinks he knows sports. The fastest way to the opposite result is to listen and give in to them. See Notre Dame.

So, we're still left wondering. I'll just take him at his word that he's burned out, which is completely understandable given the mess he inherited.

Posted by Daily Dawgman

3:22 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Wow this blog has exploded with comments! Look at the number of comments and then refresh the page and see how many new comments have been added. Its crazy!

Posted by MPM

3:23 PM, Dec 12, 2007

So, can we all agree that Turner never said or implied that you can't run a clean, character-building program and win at the same time, or that winning isn't important?

Posted by sammamish dawg

3:23 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Thank you Emmert for the early Christmas present. I'm sure this has Ty's first class seat burning HOT while he's out recruiting.

Posted by Ape

3:23 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Tunner going south ya'll, bed time for bonzo!
Me, I understand Mr. Emmert way of thinking, I lived in Fife,Wa myself at one time...oh God!
Live in Fife, long enough, you can spot a winner, or loser in a heart beat.

Posted by Sven

3:25 PM, Dec 12, 2007

12-35 is so far removed from winning with integrity that it is laughable.

You have to win to win with integrity.

Posted by Kent

3:26 PM, Dec 12, 2007

John Koehler, please point me to anyone on this blog that said win at all costs. I do think ultimately, Coaches should be judged by wins, which is why I think TW should be fired (.300 winning percentage over 3 years). Why do Typologists think it's unreasonable to expect to win and have a strong program that develops the student athlete at the same time. These things aren't mutually exclusive. I'd hope a coach making 1.5 million a year has the ability to do both.

Posted by bleedin' purple

3:28 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent-

You obviously did your research, but there is one flaw with your argument about NC State.
In Seattle, if the Huskies aren't doing well, fans can always spend their money on tickets
to the Seahawks, Mariners or Sonics (among others). I know a number of NC State Alums and,
while those other colleges are close, they would NEVER spend a dime on anything related to
the Tar Heels, Duke, or Wake Forest (let alone East Carolina).


TGND's point was that from a fund raising point of view NC State is the only game in town.
His point is still valid since expecting an NC State supporter to instead donate money to
UNC or Duke is kind of like expecting an Oregon State supporter to give up and instead donate
to Oregon. Not going to happen.

Posted by Vegas Dawg

3:33 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Sorry Todd, but what you are describing is non scholarship-intramural sports not intercollegiate sports which the Husky football program falls under. Maybe for you remaining years the YMCA could use your talents. In big time college programs, the fans nationwide expect winning to be number 1. Kids who want a touchy feely experience tryout for the social teams found playing on the dorm lawns or down at the rec hall.


This guy is unbelievable. How in the world did he pass muster and get hired?

Posted by sammamish dawg

3:33 PM, Dec 12, 2007

What has Turner really done. Increase ticket prices. No stadium, not even a plan. Yah our Volleyball team is awesome and I love it. But at the end of the day, the football program is your bread and butter and as Athletic Director (yes, that means sports & not academics) TT couldn't get the job done. You dropped the ball on the most important aspect of an AD's job.

Hey TT: Sorry that you couldn't get that in your Vanderbuilt head, but a university can be successful in sports and in academics at the same time. Do you think share holders at Microsoft would like it if Gates/Balmer focussed on Zune instead of an upgrade to Windows and Office? Heads would roll if that happened. There's a reason why they call it their bread and butter. Football is the focus of an AD at UW and you failed us, your shareholders.

Good luck to you and don't let the door hit you on the back side. By the way, nice backhand to the readers of your letter.

Posted by reality bites.

3:33 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Is anyone on this blog dumb enough to believe that TW isn't feeling the pressure on his job? I mean, you may not believe that he's a good football coach (a perfectly reasonable argument), but the guy isn't stupid. Do you think that he doesn't want to win? Saying that he must be feeling the pressure more now that Turner is gone completely ignorant and continues this incorrect notion that for some reason he hasn't all along been feeling the pressure. Let's just put this misconception to bed once and for all.

Posted by DawgAlum

3:36 PM, Dec 12, 2007

The history of sport is replete with examples of winning leaders who have left enduring legacies: Lombardi, Wooden, Tiger Woods, to name a recent few. Im wondering: can anyone enlighten me with an example of someone who consistently lost but who "enjoyed the experience"? How does history treat these fellows? Ask Turner.

Posted by UghTy

3:37 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Respectfully,

Todd

Defense - And - Willingham - Generates - Severance

Posted by idiot

3:37 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I have a question for you who agree with TT's ludicrous statements about "unenlightened" fans. Where would any of your favorite teams be without these "unenlightened" fans?? Are you ignorant enough to believe that these "unenlightened" fans don't attend games and just watch from their couch?? These "unenlightened" are the reason that sports exist. They go to games, cheer on their teams, have opinions about their teams and other teams, and now can VOICE those opinions thanks to the internet! If these "unenlightened" fans quit caring, watching, and going to games, then the games wouldn't happen. Or at least they certainly wouldn't happen in multi-million dollar stadiums and the players wouldn't have fancy practice facilities to enhance their "student-athlete experience"

Posted by sammamish dawg

3:38 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Hey Reality Bites: TY's seat is burning!!!

This just in: Ty is back to #1 on the Hot Seat.
Go to: http://coacheshotseat.com/

Posted by NC Husky

3:41 PM, Dec 12, 2007

debatepro

As I have stated before, some people will only view things from blind, self serving, and narrow minded point of view.

We all want to see the Huskies win. The program is at a critical point. Trashing what TW at this point only serves to allow the nega posters on this blog to say they were right and the people in charge agree with them.

These are the same people that will be on the TW bandwagon should the Huskies win 8-9-or 10 games next season only to say he better reapeat that scenario the next year to keep his job.


The real Huskies will recognize TW is our man for at least one more year and give him 100% of the support the Dawgs needs.

Thanks for being the voice of reason debatepro!

Posted by idiot

3:43 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Whatever happened to expecting nothing but excellence out of UW athletics? If kids want to have a great time and have a great "student athlete" experience, then play on an IMA team or play some pickup games with your friends! It's really fun and everyone has a great time!

Posted by reality bites.

3:44 PM, Dec 12, 2007

sammamish dawg-

All I am saying is that it's plain ignorant to think that his seat hasn't been burning all along and that he's feeling any more pressure now than he has for weeks. I don't think that TT leaving is going to change the amount of pressure he's feeling because he's gone either way if he doesn't win next year.


Also, if you think that he's feeling more pressure because he's #1 on some subjective website then you're obviously under the illusion that coacheshotseat.com gets to decide whether he remains coach or not (here's a hint: it doesn't)

Posted by Todd Turner

3:49 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Hey all you unenlightened, half-brained, uninformed, hysterical idiots!!! Listen up! The only person who wants to win badder than I do is Coach Willingham!!

Posted by MPM

3:51 PM, Dec 12, 2007

To Kent (who asked "please point me to anyone on this blog that said win at all costs."):


"Winning is everything, IT'S THE ONLY THING!!!!! - Vince Lombardi" Posted by Steve.


"But winning IS everything when it comes to Husky Football." Posted by ummm.


"Fans or anyone else worried about high athlete grad rates, research funding, squeaky clean program...Get real. Every great program around the country has its flaws and no one at those schools complain." Posted by Sam in LA.


"I don't care if football players can read or write, when playing football, winning is what counts! I don't want a bunch of Bill Gate's out there playing UW football, I want animals...NOW!" Posted by APE MAN

Posted by Kent

3:51 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Bleedin purple, as I'm not familiar w/ the NC State Alumni culture, do most alumns stay in Raleigh? Or do many move to bigger cities like Charlotte, home to the NFL's Carolina panthers? As for donating money, I don't know any Alumns that give to other schools, outside of Guy Next Door, who went to UW but roots and probably also donates to Cal. I'd also point out, while I don't know what years TT was at NC State, Raleigh does have the NHL's Carolina Hurricanes as well. And Charlotte used to have the NBA's Hornets. He may not have been there though while those teams existed. I don't know. But not the "only game in town".

Posted by 61Husky

3:52 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent,

Is everyone you don't agree with an idiot? Ed Cunningham was an academic all american, a college and NFL player and has made a good living as a football commentator. Yet you know more about football programs than he does. Just curious, what are your qualifications to be a football guru?

Posted by dirk

3:55 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Word is Emmert didn't fire TT, the Tyee Club did. Guess TT never really connected with the power base. That can be dangerous in this town. We've seen other examples. The Tyee Club may not make the best or most intelligent decisions, but it is, after all, the ultimate "decider" on matters pertaining to football.

That said, TT's comings or goings are hardly more than a footnote in the daily life of the institution. Let's keep things in perspective and hope that President Emmert does not get too dirstracted with intermural athletics, which, by my count, rank 14th, at best, on the list of what is important at the UW, as follows

1. Undergraduate education, so we continue to have an educated labor pool.
2. Medical and scientific research--may your grandkids have a better life!
3. Running hospitals to save people's lives, perhaps your own.
4. Profesional and Post-Graduate Education (medicine, Ph.D.'s, law, MBAs, etc.)
5. Training school teachers so some of our kids grow up not to become complete idiots.
6. Regional source of employment(staff, admin, faculty)
7. Economic spinoff effects (reason we have a U. Dist.and a Duchess Tavern)
8. Providing a good place for young folks to meet future husbands and wives.
9. Community services (museums, archives, lectures)
10. A place for good walks and views of Mt. Rainier, the Lake, the Cascades.
11. A Preserve for rare plants and incomparable 19th C. style buildings.
12. Excuse for another light rail station.
13. Intramural sports (look at all the students who play soccer) plus a great swimming pool
14. Intermural sports (crew, tennis, softwall, football, etc)

So lets not bother the UW's President with minor issues involving atheletics for a few years and just see how those folks on Montlake get along.

Dirk93 (Still a Dawg FB fan despite it all)

Posted by idiot

3:57 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I don't think you need any qualifications to see that Todd Turner is completely clueless and full of more BS than a politician. I can see it, and I'm an unenlightened half-brained idiot!

Posted by rb

3:57 PM, Dec 12, 2007

MPM: Proving Kent wrong on this blog is pointless, he will always come back with a "Ty still sucks anyway" post, or will blame someone else for him being wrong. It's like when he kept telling us all that Ty would be Colorado State's next head coach and then blamed the NAACP when he looked foolish. Kent also doesn't realize that winning with integrity is still possible after 3 years of rebuilding. Winning with integrity is not an option for Kent if it requires 4 years to accomplish.

Posted by Kent

3:58 PM, Dec 12, 2007

61Husky, you have no idea why I think Ed Cunningham is an idiot. I disagree with plenty of people all the time, but don't think they are idiots. Please don't create a strawman and think just because I don't cowtow to Ed, i think everyone that disagrees with me is an idiot. Plenty of my good friends disagree w/ me about TW, and I don't think they are idiots. I think they are wrong on this issue though. Ed Cunningham however, I think is an idiot. As is Jerry Brewer.

Posted by Kent

4:01 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Oh RB, I missed you. I'm glad MPM showed me there are some idiots on this blog i hadn't noticed. For the record, I wouldn't want any of them to be our next AD.

Posted by MPM

4:01 PM, Dec 12, 2007

dirk,


not to get off topic, but undergraduate education is NOT #1 at UW. UW is a far better research institution and has far better grad programs than undergrad programs.


I'm not trying to criticize UW undergrad education too much, but if undergrad education was priority #1, you wouldn't have 700 person lecture classes where the only direct interaction is with a teacher's assistant.


I say this as sa proud Husky who got a UW undergrad degree and post-grad degree somewhere else.

Posted by The Prez

4:04 PM, Dec 12, 2007

"the incessant interloping of uninformed, unenlightened, self-anointed experts..."
Todd, after reading the Times Blog, I now realize you were right. I'm sorry. Will you please come back?

Posted by Kent

4:06 PM, Dec 12, 2007

RB - for the record, I also said Turner would be fired. Pretty sure that just happened. So don't get too uppity on me about TW just yet my friend. Although I do think he'll be retained 1 more year, thanks to the NAACP's involvement. You're correct on that note.

Posted by Hills

4:09 PM, Dec 12, 2007

SVEN, You are the worst kind of fan. Really

Posted by Andrew Winship

4:11 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Wow, just wow. We were dead last in the league again for football. Winning isn't everything, but if you want to teach some life lessons to your student athletes how about teaching them how high expectations and being competitive will make you successful in life?

Posted by 61Husky

4:20 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent

My apologies. You do not call everyone who disagrees with you an idiot. You call some of them morons, asses and uppity.

Posted by MPM

4:21 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent,


Regarding Turner being fired, a broken clock is right twice a day, but that doesn't make it reliable.


Regarding the NAACP, that speculation is just as bad as the opposite speculation that everyone who dislikes Willingham is a closet racist.

Posted by dirk

4:21 PM, Dec 12, 2007

The point about research being number one at UW is certainly supported by the dollar trail. And UW is incontestably one of the great research institutions on the planet. Oregon and USC are no competition in that area. But in terms of public policy presentation, undergraduate education has rank number one, even if that's disputable in real-world terms. There are a few small classes on campus, but not in lower division science and engineering. For the record, it should be noted that Mr. Turner had nothing to do with that problem.

Posted by Fred

4:21 PM, Dec 12, 2007

What surprises me is how many of you are buying this nonsense that Turner is trying to sell. NEVER listen to the petulant whining of the recently fired or divorced.

It's never about them. It's always about the other party.

Turner is blowing holes in all his talk about integrity and respect. He's showing he has no familiarity with either.

Posted by rb

4:23 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Ha, still going to the NAACP excuse huh Kent? so sad.
By the way, Jerry Brewer is not an idiot, nor is Cunningham. They just have more than a 3 year attention span, and a little bit of historical perspective. Maybe you should become an Arkansas fan, since there is no way Petrino will be around for more than 3 years. Woooo Pig Soooeeeyyyy!!!

Posted by For NEW AD

4:23 PM, Dec 12, 2007

I want an AD that will bring the same type of thug mentality that Miami has. Us Dawg Fans want to WIN. I don't care if we get sanctioned, use HGH, steroids, create a mafioso atmosphere or Overlook grades and character in recruiting. Once we hold the Sears trophy, then we will be respected. Football is the only college experience and winning makes it better.
Go Dawgs

Posted by idiot

4:24 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Apparently dead last is good enough for some people here. I know that dead last won't cut it anywhere else in life though. My biggest problem isn't just that we were dead last, it's that Turner was completely complacent with dead last. One thing that really bugs me about Ty is complacency as well. When we lose on Saturday, I like to see my coach blaming himself and agonizing over the loss, not throwing out cliches and saying that we're "really trying." Losing should be bitter, not just something that you shrug your shoulders at and say "oh well, we'll get 'em next time."

Posted by MPM

4:28 PM, Dec 12, 2007

"Apparently dead last is good enough for some people here."


Come on, idiot (the poster). Of all the red herrings that get thrown around here, that is the worst.


We can have the same goals and differ on the best way to acheive them.

Posted by idiot

4:30 PM, Dec 12, 2007

RB - what about the historical perspective that says no coach ever has been this bad in 3 years and then went on to be successful with that program. Or do you only like the sort of "historical perspective" that proves your point, which at the moment seem to be the "historical perspective" that Year 4 is the magic year where you find out how good a coach really is!

Posted by DawgAlum

4:31 PM, Dec 12, 2007

As misguided as some of the posters are (and, for that matter, as spot-on as others are), I love this fan base. It's great to see that people care and that we're not Coug fans who can tolerate losing as long as there's a beer bong nearby.

Posted by The Guy Next Door

4:33 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Hey Kent, shouldn't Willingham be given a similar opportunity to the one you had at UW? I mean, you were given 5 years there, shouldn't Willingham have at least 4?

Posted by Kent

4:35 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Great article from Brewer today RB. I'm not suprised you're a big fan. My favorite part of his article today was when he made this comment, attempting to be sarcastic - let's "Bring in a person who'd prefer to eat raw Duck over giving Oregon credit." The funny thing, that's absolutely what I want in our next AD. I hate Oregon and want an AD that hates them as well. You clearly do not. And I know you think it's sad I can put 2 and 2 together and am a racist. I don't care. But you can keep calling me sad all you want.

Posted by Kent

4:38 PM, Dec 12, 2007

TGND, you ever going to post any credible arguments, or you sticking with your absolutely stupid smarmy insults. I've asked you repeatedly to provide any sort of credible reply, yet you just insult me. Hey, you should send ryan a text telling him how cool you are. Stay hot.

Posted by rb

4:38 PM, Dec 12, 2007

idiot: not suprisingly given your chosen posting name, you missed the point. Brewer and Cunningham realize that this program was not in good shape when Ty took over. They also realize that many rebuilding projects can take more than 3 years.
Here's a tip for you idiot, if you are only willing to give a college coach 3 years to make up your mind about him, go become an Arkansas or Alabama fan.

Posted by idiot

4:38 PM, Dec 12, 2007

MPM - Ok, but you at least have to agree that anyone who actually wanted Turner on board was fine with ZERO dollars and ZERO progress towards stadium upgrades. Keeping Ty is one thing, but how could anyone defend TT and the nonsense he's been spewing. Do ADs typically attack and send parting shots at their fans on the way out!!????

Posted by Mountain Man

4:39 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Random thoughts:
---
* MPM = Turner family member or friend
---
* Turner has all of the social grace of a poorly timed fart. Could he offend boosters and fans more if he tried???
---
* Turner seems to think he is a college athletics crusader. Good luck turning all of college athletics back into intramural sports. Perhaps he has a time machine and can take us all back to 1890!
---
* USC gets away with violation after violation. Because of the "freedom of information" act (among other things), public institutions are at the mercy of the NCAA when they knock on the door. By contrast, USC (and other private schools) can tell the NCAA to get bent. The NCAA doesn't have legal recourse.
The NCAA needs to require all member schools to abide by the same rules and to provide the same level of transparency. i.e. -- the NCAA needs to require absolutely unfettered access to ALL member schools records, emails, etc. -- not just the public ones!
I have a friend who is a HUGE USC booster, donor, and alum, and he just laughs about it. There is more dirty crap going on at USC than any of us even realizes -- and the NCAA won't/can't do jack about it. (Bush and Jarrett are just two of the more high profile ones lately, but it's just standard practice for them down there.)
MM

Posted by rb

4:44 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Kent, as soon as you stop saying that the NAACP is why Ty was not fired I'll stop calling you sad. Until then, you are sad.

Posted by Kent

4:48 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Ouch. Quite the zinger RB. What else you got? You clearly have no more constructive reasons to support TW, much like all other Typologists, (see your good friend the guy next door), so you personally insult and attack me. You can call me all the names you want, that's not going to change the fact Todd Turner was a bad AD and that Ty Willingham has a .300 career winning percentage at UW.

Posted by Julian97

4:59 PM, Dec 12, 2007

MM says USC can get away with violations because it does not have to comply with public records access laws. Assuming this is true, can't NCAA require information as a condition of allowing private schools to participate. I assumed that is how it would work generally. NCAA shouldn't have to use public record statutes. Assuming MM is right here, this is an outrage and a real bail out for USC. UW has to insist that other institutions are treated just as severely as UW was treated in the Billy Jo affair. Absolutely! MM, can you back up what you are saying about USC's violations? I believe you are right, but don't have the detail. Fill us in!

Posted by jh

5:00 PM, Dec 12, 2007

...I earlier made a statement that I have made before (e.g., Willingham was hired at ND and UW because he is black and "clean")... Can anybody give me two other reasons why he was hired?

Posted by purplereign

5:02 PM, Dec 12, 2007

why can't uw have both? a great college experience,top notch academics,great young men and a winning program.i think with the money we are shelling out every year we can have the best of both worlds. I appreciated turner cleaning up the disaster that hedges left our program,but it is clear that we need someone who hasn't been desensitized to mediocrity that turner has been exposed to while at vandy.

Posted by MPM

5:04 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Mountain Man,


I have no relation to TT other than attending the school he later served as AD.


You don't have to be a TT friend/family member (or even like the guy or want him as an AD) to criticize the BS reasons people are giving for firing him.


idiot,

I'm not very knowledgeable re: the stadium issue, so I won't comment much on that. Frankly, I like Husky Stadium the way it is. Then again, I liked the Kingdome, but like Safeco Field a lot better.


Regarding what TT has *said* I think a lot of that is blown out of proportion.


E.g., it's not politically correct amount Husky fans to praise Oregon, so it was stupid to say we should be like them. BUT, if you like winning, then you have to admit that Oregon has done a lot of things right.

Posted by jh

5:10 PM, Dec 12, 2007

OILYdog...you, mallory and NC really need a new act...when TW get's the ax...what's your next gig?... threatening folks who thought Bush was a lousy president??...

Posted by Ruby D

5:14 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Awesome news! Now we should hire Bill Moos. Look at all the things he accomplished at Oregon...expanded Autzen, built the Mo center, refurbished the locker rooms, got a new medical treatment center builty. We'll be as good as Oregon in no time!

Posted by art

7:17 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Of course you have to win idiot. This is not
rocket scientist work, who was cheapter Ty or
TT, who was doing a visibly a good job, Ty,
one HAD to go and one was given a reprieve. No
surprise at all. Ya think ya got Ty attention
now ?

Posted by Der DawgVater

7:17 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Turner should have been fired the second he said we needed to pattern ourselves after the Ducks. And any Husky fans who feel the same way need to wash their mouth out with soap, or get taken out behind the woodshed for an ol fashioned butt whuppin. Have we sunk that low? I will never believe that.

Posted by Caff

8:47 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Hello, Mr. Turner

It's Division 1 Football!!!!!!!

It's the Pac10!!!!!!!!!

It aint Intermurals!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by art

9:21 PM, Dec 12, 2007

Now, fire Baer. I guess we just play football
to be on the field - Good grief what an idiot.
His list of failures and incorrect steps is
now legendary. Perhaps, just perhaps, we won't
be asleep at the wheel any longer, UW is a power
and football represents the UW nation wide. Do
we want to continue to be last. That is sure
success and leaves our find players with a great
feeling. Ty are you watching, I think your a good man, now prove it.

Posted by Jeanne Hannah

3:24 PM, Dec 14, 2007

Hi Bob,
My husband and I sat next to you on the flight over to Honolulu for the UW - U of H game. Mark an X Husky played defensive end in the 60's under Jim Owens and I have been going to games for 53 years now. Both our parents were liftime fans and supporters of UW athletics and were there for the birth of Husky Stadium and their accomplishment for watching Husky football in seven decades is matched by few people. My father truly bled purple and gold and on several occasions he even discharged himself out of hospitals against doctors orders just so he wouldn't miss a game! The last two years of my father's life we actually carried him to his seat. In all the years that we have been attending games, not one of us would ever think of turning in our season tickets just because we were on a losing streak. I feel bad that Turner resigned; most likely because of a bunch of fair weather fans who think they know it all about football, but not as much as they should to make the comments they make! I only hope that the ones that boo when we are down don't do more damage, so we lose Willingham too.
Based on his recruiting, I'm anxious to let the program run its course and get the stability that is really needed back in the program. I say confident players make confident plays and how can the Huskies feel confident when they hear all the booing from so called fans?

Posted by Jeanne Hannah

3:46 PM, Dec 14, 2007

Dear Bob,
My husband and I sat next to you on the flight over to Honolulu to watch the Huskies play U of H. Mark an X Husky played defensive end in the 60's under Jim Owens and I have been going to games for 53 years now. Both our parents were lifetime fans and supporters of UW athletics and were there for the birth of Husky Stadium. Their accomplishment for watching Husky football games in 7 decades is matched by few people. My father truly bled purple and gold and on several occassions he checked himself out of the hospital bed just so he could go to a game. The last 2 years of his life we actually carried him to his seat. In all the years that we have been attending games, not one of us would ever think of turning our season tickets in just because we were on a losing streak. I feel bad that Turner resigned: most likely because of a bunch of fair weather fans who think that they know it all about football, but not as much as they should to make the comments they make! I only hope that the ones that BOO when we are down don't do more damage, so we lose Willingham too. Based on T W's recruiting, I'm anxious to let the program run its course and get the stability that is needed back in the program. I say confident players make confident plays and how can the Huskies feel confident when they hear all the booing from so called fans???? Jeanne Hannah

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