Good point about Bob about Ty not having enough time to develop his players yet. This is biggest argument to making sure as much of this staff stays as possible. We need stability over everything else in this hectic world we live in. God Dawgs. Looks like they are keeping Ty or we would have heard something by now. I'm already chomping on the bit for next year!

Re-posted from bottom of the previous blog entry:

I've been kind of quiet, just taking it all in. You guys are wild. I am ready to weigh in tomorrow with my end of the season assessment (as promised to Sven and others last week): Should TW get one more year? See you tomorrow.
Malibu

A top 25 recruiting class and 4 on the all pac 10 team. The Dawgs are on the rise!

I visited the LA daily news blog and they are hanging Dorrell by the balls even after he has been fired.

Then some guy suggested that the pastel bruins were having trouble becasue the admission standards at UCLA are much hire than at all other Pac 10 schools.

My conclusion is the naysayers will naysay until there are enough wins to brag about. I wonder how many of the big mouths have graduated from the school where the are calling for the coaches head?

I heard that about ucla before. was it true that dixon cmoiited there but couldnt pass there special tests so then he picked oregon? maybe they are higher?

congrats to jake, he deserves it, as well as reffett & russo for their well deserved recognition.

and rankin, clearly.

that Willingham hasn't had any talent to work with, or that he hasn't brought any in himself developed what he's had to get to that level.

Come on bob... this isn't fair by any measure. It should be mentioned there are only 2 sophomores on this list... and RS Sophomore are just now playing from coach Willingham's first class... which he wasn't here until December to recruit.

So EJ Savannah... for example was in Willingham's first class and he was 6th in the pac10 in tackles. There are 8 guys on that list for LB... and only ONE had more tackles than EJ.

Next year guys from that first class will be RS Juniors... you might want to hold off on the he can't develop player banter until next year...

The best safety on the coast will seriously consider dropping his commitment to UCLA. He took a UW visit and was impressed. I believe his name was Woods.

The all conference selections add weight to my and others position that the talent level of the Huskies has been mediocre and shallow for over 5 years. The fact that so many true freshmen have played support this position, as does the failure in the NFL draft over the last 5 years.

I agree that the coaching on defense has been terrible at the coordinator and line positions, but that has to be coupled to the absolute fact that the team overall talent level is the lowest since the early 70's. It is hard to say that when the players work so hard, but they simply are not competitive in the strongest conference in the nation.

Gee Bob,
how long did it take Erickson to develop the players at ASU? In fact, If Peterson goes to UCLA, how long will it take him to develop the players there?
Keep your coach, In Boise we change coaches every 3 years and still remain on top.
Do the math, it's the program. Coaches come and go. 20 years ago they stayed for life. Those days are gone. Ty has no loyalty to UW after he finishes milking the program. Tyscam is no Paterno!

All anyone needs to know about Tyrone is that he is 3-11 in games decided by 7 points or less.
That tells me the talent is there to be in the game at the end, but the coaching isn't good enough to get the results.

Geez ROFLCOPTER,
Your stinking up the Blog.

Funny how a guy who "can't pass to save his life" put up over 2000 yards in 11 full games.

bob, please axe the post at 8:32 p.m.

Wow, 3-11 in close games and people want him back? I would take winning football over "stability" and "staying the course".

ROFLCOPTER'
It's too much work figuring out your spelling. Get your GED then come back to the Blogs.

Just because nothing was announced today, doesn't mean it isn't coming.
I think the team was just returning home today. With any luck, Emmert is preparing to cut the cord right now. Get rid of Turner too. He's the a-hole that brought in Tyrone, and raised ticket prices for a chicken sh** product.

A vote for Tyrone is a vote for more bottom of the Pac 10 finishes, 3/4 full Husky Stadium crowds, and another slew of "should've, would've, could've" type of losses.
Go ahead and bring Tyrone back, if you want 4-5 wins again.

All anyone needs to know about Tyrone is that he is 3-11 in games decided by 7 points or less.
That tells me the talent is there to be in the game at the end, but the coaching isn't good enough to get the results.


All anyone needs to know about Tyrone is that he is 3-11 in games decided by 7 points or less. That tell me that the coaching is good enough but the talent isn't their to get the results.

People, I told you all last summer that it would be a 3-5 win season and that things would not end well for Tyrone at UW.
Well, you got your 4 wins and now you should all hope that Emmert has the sense to stop the bleeding now.
Bringing back Tyrone for one more year only prolongs the agony.
Your program deserves much, much better than Tyrone and his largely clueless crew.
You guys need a new direction. How long are you willing to watch the same garbage over and over?
I see the same problems with the team now as when Tyrone took over in 2005. No progress should equal no fourth year.

A vote for Tyrone is a vote for more bottom of the Pac 10 finishes, 3/4 full Husky Stadium crowds, and another slew of "should've, would've, could've" type of losses.
Go ahead and bring Tyrone back, if you want 4-5 wins again.

A vote for Coach Willingham is a vote for winning the pac 10, full husky stadium... Go ahead and bring Coach Willingham back if you want 9 plus wins.

This just in: "debatepro" is actually Todd Turner.
We just need a few more "bullets in our gun", right Todd?

Willingham gone, Mora: Just because nothing was announced today, doesn't mean it isn't coming.
I think the team was just returning home today. With any luck, Emmert is preparing to cut the cord right now. Get rid of Turner too. He's the a-hole that brought in Tyrone, and raised ticket prices for a chicken sh** product.

Stay away from sharp objects... Coach Willingham is coming back... i wish I could be there to see the look on all the negadawg's faces when they learned the good news.

How hasn't it happened yet.
8-4-1 at halftime

4-9 fulltime

THAT is a clear example of awful coaching. The Art Shell face? Try the Tyrone Willingham face.

Good programs have freshmen and sophmores ready to play and contributing. Why else would they have ALL-PAC 10 Frosh teams in the first place. For a good example look at Taylor Mays, a recruit that Ty should have had wrapped up by the way, and one that started as a freshman.

Get lost Turner, and take Wilingham with you.

News Flash: This just in: "debatepro" is actually Todd Turner.
We just need a few more "bullets in our gun", right Todd?

This just in News Flash is uses about 15 other usernames on this site. It was an ironic reversal of exactly what you posted under the username "All you need"... you know mocking the connection and sole isolation of blame for 3-11 when games are desided by 7 points or less.

These people who consistently shift users names have so much credibility.

If Tyrone is back, I'm out. I've seen and heard enough of his garbage over the last three years.
debatepro, can you give one legitimate reason why Tyrone deserves to come back? (don't tell me the players play hard, or Ty has a lot of integrity, or we need stability). What on the field leads you to believe he is capable of leading the team to a winning record next year? Is it his offensive or defensive innovations? His ability to adjust on the fly? His way of staring down one of his players after they have made a mistake?

FYI...8 of the top 10 contributors to the UW had a meeting with Emmert tonight 7pm. We should have something by the afternoon tomorrow, but it's not looking good for Ty & his staff.

ADawg: Good programs have freshmen and sophmores ready to play and contributing.
There are only two sophomores on the two deeps of the all pac10 teams.

ADawg: Why else would they have ALL-PAC 10 Frosh teams in the first place.
To recognize the best freshman and RS freshman in the confernce. This is commical... what is this negadawg logic 101... the freshman have their one pac10 team because they don't compare them to upper classmen.

ADawg: For a good example look at Taylor Mays, a recruit that Ty should have had wrapped up by the way, and one that started as a freshman.
Good recruiting coaches don't always land the best players in there state. Why didn't Mac Brown land Adrian Peterson... missing out on a recruit...especially when all the have heard from the likes of you for the last 5 years is how crappy the program is... is not a failure. The fact that we were even his second choice is probably a pretty big acheivement.

Tyee Board : FYI...8 of the top 10 contributors to the UW had a meeting with Emmert tonight 7pm. We should have something by the afternoon tomorrow, but it's not looking good for Ty & his staff.
BS... if you had this kind of information which you don't .... you wouldn't be posting it here...

if you do no it post your real name and go one the record with your source of this meeting...



[crickets]



thats what I thought.

Negadawg1: debatepro, can you give one legitimate reason why Tyrone deserves to come back? (don't tell me the players play hard, or Ty has a lot of integrity, or we need stability).
Changing your handle again... Well if you get to define what is legitimate then it really isn't a discussion I am going to waste my time with.

Negadawg1: What on the field leads you to believe he is capable of leading the team to a winning record next year? Is it his offensive or defensive innovations? His ability to adjust on the fly?
The only way to answer these questions would be to actually know what changes he attempted to implement... what changes he made on the fly... i would need to be in the huddle... so if i get this right the only way for me to "legitimately" defend coach Willingham is to have actually been in the huddle or have inside information in to adjustments... so that I could come back and prove to you that he deserves to come back... Wow... thanks for all that ground you have given to me to argue against you.

Negadawg1: His way of staring down one of his players after they have made a mistake?
LMAO... have you ever played a single down of football... Here is an exercise... you pick the greatest 10 coaches of all time... and I guarantee you that over half of them did a lot worse than stare their players down. Is this a real critics... he stared at a player... what is he suppose to avert his eyes...

I have just one word for the entire athletic department.....GUILLOTINE!

Kudo's for Locker. The Pac 10 offensive player of the year, Dixon, had a lot of passes a year ago that looked like Locker this year. Too bad there's people on this blog stuck in the mentallity of Locker being so bad because of his passes. They also tend to ignore the good passes made by Locker, like that pass to Reece in the Hawaii game to get us to the 3 yard line. Hit him in stride where only he could catch it about 35 yards downfield and on the sideline. The final pass to Reece looked pretty good too, could have been maybe 3 inches higher to be perfect. We'll see more of this in the future. My prediction is that this year will be Locker's most yards rushing in a season as a Husky. We will have better running backs in the future (no offense to Rankin as he did o.k.) and will depend less on having Locker run sweeps to get us yards. Also we will have better receivers and Locker will be a more accurate passer, so the passing game will be good. Shouldn't forget this guy is only 19 years old.

2008 is going to be a great HUSKY year!

can someone do a recuit update?!?! uw has just got two new playes from eastlake and R Beach.

Realdawg.com just broke Cory Mackay's Commitment. Welcome to the family young man.

Someone on realdawg posted this highlight video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koLNWt7iFIY

Alright, I'm in. Let Ty stay, see what he can do. Could make the blog even more, uhhhh, "interesting" next year-- whole lotta told-ya-so either way.

But for godssake fix that defense!

Reposted from end of previous Comment section:

I have been keeping an eye on this blog over the year and I have been dumbfounded. Actually, it doesn't surprise me after listening to the idiotic comments from most of the fans in my section the last two years at Husky games.
Lets clear a couple of things up here.
All the stat comparison that goes on here is just "self gratification". Most of the stats are useless and can be bent to any argument. As is what seems to be one of the stand bye bitches about the coaches , which is the play calling card. Everyone loves a call that results in a big gain and thinks it's great, but if the play fails, then it was a horrible call. This isn't Madden folks.
Also, for the Mora lovers out there. Are UW fans really that shallow in that they will only like a program because the Head coach is charismatic. What does that say about the alumni fan base? We support and give to a program only when a team is either winning or has a glad-handing car salesman who will stroke our collective egos. This isn't school spirit or pride, it is jealousy and envy. I am proud at the way this team has represented the University of Washington this year. Oh I forgot, most "fans" here are win whores. Anything for a win. You only have value if you win. Pathetic. What has Mora done that makes him so qualified to coach at UW. This guy was dumb enough to say publicly that he wanted another job other than the one he had. And wasn't he about to get fired from Atlanta anyway? Oh I forgot Charlie Weiss is working out so well at ND, we should follow that model.
Which brings me to the truth about this team that no one wants to talk about. This team was no good at making plays. You can blame bad coaching all you want, but for every game that they lost I can think of at least 5-10 plays where the ball was dropped/overthrown/underthrown/fumbled/tackle missed/coverage blown. The called play was there, the guy was open or the defender in position but the player did not make the play. When it comes down to it, the buck stops at the player, not the coaches. And I don't want to hear the "Well .... it's the coaches that prep the players" bull. And this is coming from a former Div-1 BCS conf. player. Do you think coaches at different schools are really doing radically different things at practice? Trust me they are not. To a certain extent everyone coaches the same fundamentals. It is up to the players to execute.
The team had an opportunity to win everyone of their games this year. The coaches had adequate game plans for every game. As a player I always hated the excuse-maker fans. "Well if they had just called a play differently, why do they run on first down?, They'd have won if they had thrown the ball on that first down on some random series in the third quarter." An old coach of mine had a great expression for this "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, oh what a Christmas we'd have." Trust me, the players know why they lost. They either didn't make the plays or were physically beaten. And they don't want you to embarrass them by making excuses or blame coaches. Fans always have to have someone to blame, I guess it makes them sleep better at night.
Making or not making the play is the beauty of athletic competition. And you either perform or not, that's why they call it character building. I either beat the guy across from me, make the catch, make the tackle or I don't. If I do, then I reap the rewards, if not then I have to pick myself up and decide if I want to do it again. Oh yeah, the other important part of this equation. Luck. You can be in the right spot, coached right, and for some reason the other player gets the bounce and makes the play.
This season, for whatever reason (bad luck, choke, nerves, not great athletes etc) the players on this team did not make the plays they needed. Empathize with them yes, but do not disgrace them by making excuses for them. If any of you out there have competed at a major level I think you will recognize what I am talking about. For you others, you will never understand.
This is what Willingham is talking about when he says that the team needs to learn how to win. And it is one of the hardest things to accomplish when turning a program around, because it requires luck. You need a series of things to go your way to get not just one win but several in a row. And it just didn't happen for the Huskies this year. The opportunities were there for every game, it just didn't happen. If everyone gets their way and Willingham is fired and ND-Seattle... a I mean UW gets their man in Mora. Whether he wins or not will have nothing to do with his coaching abilities. It all comes down to the players and luck. When will they decide to start making plays and when will the ball bounce their way. Here's to hoping that it starts next year.

Thought I'd add a couple items to the Ty discussion. I found a Notre Dame website that gives a lot of statistical reasons for why Ty should have been fired when he did. Sounds a lot like now. http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=faq;pid=20;d=this

High level: 1) He got blown out by 30+ points by far the most in school history. 2) Many Notre Dame opponent records were broken, including most individual passing yards, passing touchdowns, and receiving yards, (all different games). 3) Notre Dame had 15 parade all americans on the roster when they went 6-5. Their composite recruiting classes in the 5 years prior to his firing was #2 behind USC.

Obviously he had LOTS of talent at ND, with relatively little success. More talent than he has coming into the UW. Based on this, I am not confident in Ty developing the talent enough to create a consistent 8+ win program.

Firing Baer seems like a foregone conclusion, but what if Ty doesn't go along? He has stuck up for assistants in the past, why not now?
He could keep his image of integrity and loyalty while at the same time hauling in a $3 million buyout.
Ty keeps his image and gets paid. The UW administration could say they wanted to keep him but he wasn't willing to make changes.

I really and am not much of a supporter of Ty's but if he goes I will be HORRIFIED if we replace him with a guy who has NEVER had a paying college coaching job and has NEVER recruited one hihg school player (Mora). Oh yeah, he had one good year at Atlanta, then two seasons with bad second half fades, then got canned. So tell me again, other than trading spit with Millen what does this guy have that makes him a savior? Oh yeah, charisma, that worked well with Slick Rick...and that is why James never did so well.

And for the guy who compares the poor talent level with "the early 70s"...what the ____ are you talking about??? Those were the Sixkiller years. Sonny, Tom Scott, Bill Cahill, second place finishes...what are you thinking. Make your arguments but be at aleast a little accurate!!!g

heh... "win whores"... good one.

UWF, you make it sound as if coaching has virtually nothing to do with anything. When Lappano repeatedly (and futilely) dials up the Jake longball, leading to critical 3-and-outs, is that all put on Jake, or on "bad luck"?

NewUWFan: Great post, I couldn't agree with you more. Ty had this team in position to beat quite a few teams that are vastly more talented than the UW. At some point the players need to close the deal, which is always going to be a tough task for young players playing against more talented veterans. It will happen though.

The one thing i'll add though is that you can bet your life that what you wrote was completely ignored by the negaDawgs. They will always say we had the talent to win 8 games since we lead them at the half, yet they will never acknowledge that could be attributable to good coaching and good game planning coming into the game. They will always say we got outcoached in the second half, and will never consider that the talent disparity may have just caught up with the Dawgs after 60 minutes. And most troubling, and the reason I don't bother to post much anymore, is that they will always blame Ty for mistakes made by players, but will never give him credit for things like revamping the entire offense around a freshman QB and making it one of best in the Pac-10 this year. It's sad really, but there is just no point anymore in trying to have a debate with people who have made up their minds.

"...they will always blame Ty for mistakes made by players". Is this really fair? More like blame Ty for mistakes made by Ty's staff, isn't it?

rb...."...never give him credit for revamping the entire offense around a freshman QB..." Good point, actually. However, if the revamping is being handled clumsily, then there is arguably some degree of just cause for beef, no?

As for the talent gap... yeah, I'm starting to buy into that a little more. Good point. And by the way, these debates have actually changed my mind. I'm on board with the Ty thing for now-- wanta see how it plays out.

Mark,
My point about play making exactly.
Pick you poison.
#1 Run: Rankin jukes 5 times before the hole, 2 yds.
#2 Short Roll out/ Pass: Receiver open, Locker puts it in the ground/flys it over his head or receiver then drops it.
#3 Jake Longball: Jake over throws open man by 10 yards.
#4 QB rush: Let Jake be Jake and hope he doesn't separate a shoulder.
Any of those plays works and it's a great call. If they don't then it's bad play calling.
Most of the opponents this year loaded up the box and dared Jake to beat them throwing the ball. The long go is one of the best bets to make that type of defense pay. UW left at least 5 TDs on the field this year due to that exact play and Jake either over throwing or the receiver dropping the ball.
If they connect the Jake/Reece combo is the best in the country. If not, it's what you got this year. Any other play was just as likely as not to give you a three and out. Note: The offense only got better when 1)Ranking started running with a purpose and the line started playing with a little bit of a mean streak. 2) Jake's accuracy improved and the receivers caught it. Somehow I don't think the amount of aggression and nastiness from the O-line was varied on purpose in the game plan.

Not to change the subject from all this fire and don't fire Ty talk, but did any one else think as we were watching the Huskies lose to all these teams with their upper classmen quarterbacks think, "Enjoy it while it lasts guys, because it will never be like this again"?

Debatepro,
Let's debate. Willingham has been a major college head coach for 13 years. Explain to me why he is a good college coach. Not just a good college coach, but the right fit for a top 20 football program. I don't want canards; I want facts and history. Are you up for the challenge?

NewUWfan where did you play and what position? Would be interested on your perspective on your own position in particular.

Interesting comments from "Coaches Hot Seat"
where Ty is #3 after the firing of Dorell (who just wasn't a good coach!!).
Ty Willingham - We stayed up late to root Willingham on here at Coaches Hot Seat (yes, we have our favorite people around here, but we also try to be objective), but alas another game at UW that was basically given away. Even a 21-0 lead in the first quarter was not good enough to get the win, and with all of the talent on the offensive side of the ball for UW, one has to really wonder about some of the decisions being made on that Washington sideline. If President Emmert and the Husky football fans are satisfied with Willingham's first three years in Seattle, 11-25 (.306), then Washington football is dead. The real question the UW decision makers must ask themselves, "Can Washington football take the chance of another 4-8 season in 2008?" If UW football can survive that, then by all means keep Willingham on and let's see what he can do, but if winning is important to the University of Washington then serious consideration must be given to a change in the head football coaching position.

keep in mind the words of the great Vince Lombardi when hiring their next head coach, "Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate."

My point was, if the longball doesn't fit Jake's current skill set, then why keep it as a regular option? If it ain't working then why keep forcing it? That's on coaching, seems to me. Maybe stick with and develop more intermediate schemes/plays instead. Jake wasn't too bad short to mid-range (more drops than grossly off-target).

Mark,
I also do get your point that it seemed futile to throw the long ball. I just think when you have no solid/reliable options, you go with the play that has the best chance of getting you some points.
As for all on Jake or luck? It's both. Success breeds confidence, failure, not so much. But this is on the receivers too. I really was excited about the possibility of the Jake/Reece combo this year and it just never panned out. Marcel dropped a couple and Jake missed a couple. Then everyone's thinking about things too much and pressure sets in, then it's down hill from there.

UWF...... fair enough.

Well, I'm on board anyway. Hope we can turn the corner. Gawd this season was incredibly exhilirating and painful....

Hi Dawg fans! Your huskies are the worst team in the Pac-10, you're coach just may be a robot, and you lost to Arizona and Wazzu at home! Stanford won more Pac-10 games than you! And Stanford only won 1 game last year! Against you! Ty in year 3 is worse than Jim Harbaugh in year 1 taking over a 1-11 team.

"We were just a couple of plays away from winning that game." - I love this quote. Every loser who's afraid to face me has said this one. Ty says it anywhere from 7 to 10 times per year!

If you care about UW Football, you'll fire this fraud.

Mark - I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but just wanted to respond to your question of the regular deep balls.

Most running based teams have to take their shots down field multiple times a game. It loosens up the D a little and, if you do connect, it can be a game changing play.

Locker obviously has the (too much) arm to get the ball down there and the receivers have been open.

Those plays will be there until Locker can prove that he can regularly make them. They will always have to respect his running ability, so we aren't likely to see the deep balls leave the playbook any time soon. Hopefully the completion % will go up next year.

Great post NewUWfan!!!
As a Tyee member, I wholeheartedly support Coach Willingham, and can't wait for next season to start. With last year's recruiting class, coupled with this one, the Dawgs are getting their teeth back, and the rest of the Pac10 is going to have to watch out!
Incidentally, when you read about why these kids are committing to UW, nearly every one of them says that they like the direction of the UW program, and they love Ty Willingham!
Finally, one last point here. UW started a RS FRESHMAN quarterback! What the hell did people expect?! Yeah he made some outstanding plays, but the consistency wasn't there. I'm not blaming him, either. It's just that nearly ALL freshman have difficulty adjusting to D1 football, let alone at the QB position. However, watch out because now Jake has an entire season under his belt and the Husky opponents had better beware!
Go Dawgs!!! I can't wait to see Ty lead them out of the tunnel next year!

Did you know that Ty failed to develop two Parade All-American QBs while at Stanford? No wonder Hugh Millen was crying for a coaching change Sunday morning! Did you know that Stanford had 7 top 25 recruiting classes in the 90's, yet Ty couldn't get them into the AP top 25 poll while in the 90's? Face the facts; Tyrone Willingham is arguably the worst coach in Pac-10 history. Keeping him is program suicide!

Thanx twalker. Sounds reasonable to me, though I have to say I really question the timing of some of those calls and their resultant 3-and-outs at critical points of games when moving the chains was at an absolute premium. Our defense was "hung out there" far too often. Locker will be unstoppable if he can get that accuracy and touch.

What did we expect from Locker??? Hmmm... maybe for him to be better in Week 13 than Week 1. Apparently all the posi-dawgs know more about football than Hugh Millen! Get rid of these jokers and bring in some real coaches.

Hey Fire, do you really think that Locker wasn't better towards the end of the year than the beginning?! Really?!

If Ty couldn't develop 2 Parade AA, 5 Star QBs, why does anyone think he will properly develop Jake? Ty couldn't get Stanford into the top 25 in the 90's despite 7 top 25 recruiting classes worth of talent, why does anyone think he will win with the class we have now that puruple and wants to play with Jake?

SD, if Stanford had 7 top 25 recruiting classes in the 90's, that's the first I've ever heard of it. I'm not calling you a liar, but it sounds like BS to me. I'm going to research... But you sound like a coug or duck to me, making sh**t up...

Roman,
Let me save you the time:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/football/college/recruiting/recruitingrate.htm

I am also a Husky, an alum, and super fan. I am Snoop Dawg over at Dawgman. There is no secret to my allegiances. Cougs and Ducks want us to keep Ty, not fire the loser. 1-8 vs. the NW Pac-10 while at Washington. Gilby was 3-3!

And the two Parade AA QBs he failed to develop are Randy Fasani and Chris Lewis. I can back everything I say with facts. I put a lot of research into this 3 years ago when the rumors were flying around about him and again this year after it was clear that a change must be made.

Speaking of Ducks and Cougs, check out this fact:

'97-'04 - Washington State, Oregon State, & Oregon (in Pac-10 play): 101-91 (.526 winning %)

'97-'04 - Washington vs. Washington State, Oregon State, & Oregon: 15-8 (.652 winning %)

'05-'07 - Washington State, Oregon State, & Oregon (in Pac-10 play): 38-38 (.500 winning %)

'05-'07 - Washington vs. Washington State, Oregon State, & Oregon: 1-8 (.111 winning %)
No wonder coogs, beavers, and duck fans love Willingham so much!

SD, I owe you an apology. I disagree with you, however, still.