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July 30, 2008 8:53 AM

Foward Washington exec responds

Posted by David Postman

I wrote Monday about Dino Rossi and Forward Washington, the non-profit foundation he led after losing the 2004 governor’s race. It would be fair to say that after reading Ralph Thomas’ Sunday story about Rossi’s efforts since 2004 and looking again at the Public Disclosure Commission investigation of the foundation, I found Forward Washington and its Idea Bank to be lacking in substance.

But I should have contacted Ted Dahlstrom, the executive director of the foundation. He’s always been responsive to my questions. So here, a little late, is his take on Forward Washington, both in the Rossi era and now that the group’s founder has left to run for governor.

The point of the idea bank was to provide the citizens of Washington with a chance to have their voice heard by those in Olympia. All too often, many constituents feel like they are ignored by their elected representatives and their ideas are not taken seriously.
So we went directly to the people, soliciting their thoughts on all state-related issues in our 12 Idea Bank forums. We consider the initiative to be an overwhelming success.

From the beginning, however, it was never about the Foundation. During the forums, Dino never commented on or judged the ideas. And that's why we didn't offer any analysis in the final document. The document is meant to be a tool for the legislature to use with ideas that came, unfiltered, straight from the people they represent. We only modified it for grammar and content. It was designed as a policy guide for the legislature to use, and it was never our intention to directly lobby the legislature to enact the ideas. …

The Forward Washington Foundation is a non-partisan, non-profit educational Foundation, so politics isn't our game. While Dino was an integral part of the history of the Foundation, we have moved on and expanded into other ventures. I, as Executive Director, decided that the Foundation would continue communicating to the public and weighing in on the public debate on issues it advocates, but in a different format than when Dino was President. So now the Foundation publishes a monthly newsletter on a certain topic of the day. A "monthly musing," as Ralph put it, which I think is a great way to describe it. … All the old newsletters are posted at www.forwardwashington.org. I encourage everyone to check them out for themselves. There they can even email me with suggestions for the next newsletter, as I am always looking for new ideas to write about.

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Posted by YIKES

9:17 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Postman--
Nice of you to finally contact the folks you attack.
Ready, Fire, Aim!!
I thought you were different than the rest of the MSM Postman.

Your the type of guy that will spew unbalanced propaganda....then at a later date actually get the version from the folks you attacked. Nice.

Kind of like cutting someone's arm off and then putting a Band-Aid on it.

Ready the Society of Professional Journalist Code of Ethics Postman.
Apparently you forgot!
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

Here is the Preamble---------
Preamble
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist's credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society's principles and standards of practice.

Posted by C'mon

9:54 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Just came across this from a website called changeourgov.com

A great place to do business? July 30th, 2008

In her most recent television ad, Gov. Gregoire claims that Washington is a great place to do business. But virtually every small business organization in the state has endorsed Dino Rossi for Governor. Rossiís endorsements include the National Federation of Independent Business-Washington, Washington Association of Realtors, Washington Farm Bureau, and Washington Restaurant Association among many others. In fact, NFIBís members Ė all small business owners Ė voted to endorse Rossi over Gregoire 96% to 3%. Clearly, small businesses in Washington want change.

The claim by Gregoire begs the question Ė what businesses are telling her that Washington state has a great business climate?

Posted by THE TRUTH

10:02 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Business endorsements

Tribes,lawyers,bio fuels, needle exchange,porno shops,WEA,Unions

Posted by jamesb

10:13 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Truth,

Where do you see that needle exchanges and porno shops have endorsed Gregoire?

Posted by John

10:20 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Give him a break, he admits never going to journalism school, his miss steps on upfront proves he still learning. Why would he attack without contacting the victim for their thoughts is typical Seattle Times reporting standards, not his fault.

Posted by THE TRUTH

10:33 AM, Jul 30, 2008

jamesb


"Where do you see that needle exchanges and porno shops have endorsed Gregoire?"

Your being silly again!

Posted by jamesb

10:42 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Truth,
No, I am asking you to back up your statement. Care to do that?

Posted by John

10:50 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Jamesb,
You can not find anything on your own always asking for others to help you. Grown up and do your own research.
This is why so many of us despise liberalism.


Posted by Particle Man

10:50 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Forward WA was created as a PDC dodge. It was designed as a means of getting BIAW cash into Dino's pocket to in effect pay him and all of his expenses as he continued his campaign for governor.

It is a fact that the PDC laws were successfully evaded and thus they could take no action.

This in no way changes the facts.
1. The foundation was being used as a means to collect cash far above the per person limit in state wide races and to avoid reporting the source.
2. The foundation was used as a means to get much of this cash right in to Dino's personal bank account
3. The foundation has nothing to offer now that it's "usefulness" has passed.

Posted by John

10:53 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Particle Man

10:50 AM, Jul 30, 2008

"Forward WA was created as a PDC dodge. "

You should run for AG!

Posted by jamesb

11:04 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Truth,

You canít support what you say and that is somehow my problem? Iím not the one who stated Gregoire was being endorsed by porno shops and needle exchanges. You are. Iím not asking you to do my research, Iím asking you to back up your statement. Perfectly reasonable as far as I am concerned.
You can despise liberalism all you want. Itís a free country. But, you should be willing to back up your claims. Unfortunately for you, you canít.

Posted by Oliver

11:14 AM, Jul 30, 2008

Forward Washington is a hoax.

Posted by JimD

11:18 AM, Jul 30, 2008

"...The claim by Gregoire begs the question Ė what businesses are telling her that Washington state has a great business climate?"

She didn't say businessses have "told" her.
She's referring to Forbes magazine that ranked the Seattle metro area as one of the best, "inflationary proof" (among other things) business climates among the 50 large cities compared in the study.

Look -- business naturally leans to cutting cost and improving their net.
That's their feduciary responsbility as a business.
It's understandable that some would support the candidate who promises to push at reducing those costs for them (although mamny are firmly behind Gregoire, of course)

But look at the big picture
The Seattle area is such a RELATIVELY excellent business climate because of a relatively affluent customer base with relatively good paying jobs in a relatively diversified economy (unlike when Seattle was a Boeing town) - compared to most of the 50 other major cities we compete with for business.
Why do they come here?
Why do they stay here?

Look around.
Even without the latest Forbes report (on top of a continous string of similarly flattering comparisons that put Seattle on top), our local success in self evident.
We're home to both some of the most successful large, medium and small-sized busines and corporations, including a thriving arts and leisure business and non-profit culture.
Even with our transportation dilemas, compared to most other cities our basic infrastructure and service is second to few.

Should the governor go out there and lie by saying we're NOT a great place to do business
Really?

Posted by JimD

11:33 AM, Jul 30, 2008

BTW - there's nothing in Ted Dahlstrom's take on Forward Washington that conflicts with anything you wrote previously, David.
Neither does anything in their on-line pitch.
It's nice to know stuff and I'm glad you printed it, but you obviously got the story right in every respect the first time.
No new facts to suggest there's any accountability, and little resulting substance from their project.
Good ideas are a dime a dozen, and only representative of overall opinion as those targeted to contribute that opinion.
They could do a better job throwing up a $5 web site to solicit ideas.
As Dahlstrom says, they're throwing out the ones they don't like when they "modify it for content" anyway.
I too think it's a hoax, given the nature of its founding and Dahlstrom's affiliation with same.

Posted by C'mon

12:18 PM, Jul 30, 2008

JimD--
Who cares what Forbes thinks!
The point is the BUSINESSES doing BUSINESS in Washington already are overwhelmingly supporting ROSSI.
97% of National Federation of Independent Businesses--Washington support ROSSI.

Do you really think these businesses would support him if the business climate is as great as you and Gregoire claim????

I guess all you can do is claim Washington Businesses are too stupid to know how good they have it!

Try that approach JimD.

Bad Try=No Sale.

Posted by edward

12:24 PM, Jul 30, 2008

It really does sound like JimD and Gregoire are saying Washington Businesses are too dumb to know how good they have it.
JimD, are you really saying Washington Businesses are too stupid to know how good they have it?

Why are Washington Businesses overwhelmingly supporting Dino Rossi?

All you can come up with is that Forbes says Washington is wonderful???

Posted by THE TRUTH

12:27 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Jamesb

follow instructions
double click with mouse on this link

http://www.pdc.wa.gov/QuerySystem/Default.aspx

Posted by JimD

1:14 PM, Jul 30, 2008

C'mon wrote:
"...Do you really think these businesses would support him if the business climate is as great as you and Gregoire claim????.."

Do you really think all these business would be as successful as they obviously are if there was a better place to move to?

Again - it's the fiduciary RESPONSIBILITY of business to cut costs and improve their net.
That's what they do.
It does not mean their opinion for governor reflects the overall best interests of the area.
They're simply supporting what best serves their bottom line.
That's why business tends to lean republican.
It's very nature is to relentlessly cut costs and interference at every opportunity.

I'm not saying they're wrong.
I'm just saying to look at their support of Rossi in the context of what they want.
And they NEVER want less cost or interference no matter how little they're currently shelling out for rent, taxes, product, utilities, payroll...and the rest.

The reason BUSINESS people read Forbes (and other business publications) is to find out exactly the kind of information it published about the top 50 cities to do business.

Rossi's doing a disingenuous scare tactic here.
Like - If we don't lower taxes on business they're going to pick up and move away and no new ones will come here....
Total nonsense, and some insight into who the greater burden will fall to if he's elected - the fools who haven't yet figured out who will pay the shortfall.

Posted by postman

1:31 PM, Jul 30, 2008

YIKES, wow, how'd you figure out I decided to post something from Ted? Oh yeah, I posted it. There's nothing unethical about what I did. If you read the post you'll see there's no allegation against him or Forward Washington. It was commentary and analysis. Please let me know what in that original post you equate with chopping someone's arm off.

And for someone who apparently only attacks, and never asks any questions, where exactly is this high ground you cling to while attacking me?

Posted by Particle Man

3:06 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Jebuz David you must not let the wingnuts get under your skin.
The basic tactic they employ is to change the subject and attack the messenger.
It is of course laughable to suggest that you or the Times are supporters of the Governor.

Posted by YIKES

3:20 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Postman--
A bit edgy today aren't you.
The Journalist Code of Ethics encourages you to accept criticism...especially when you fail to post a balanced story. You say "If you read the post you'll see there's no allegation against him or Forward Washington."
That's not the point Postman.
You failed to contact the Foundation and understand what there mission was before ridiculing them "The foundation didnít accomplish much." says you. Don't you think you should have actually contacted the Foundation BEFORE making that judgment?

Read the Code of Ethics Dave.
It is meant to help you be a better, more ethical journalist after all.

Damn those Ethics, huh....they get in the way of pushing your own personal agenda!

Posted by Yes

3:53 PM, Jul 30, 2008

"Again - it's the fiduciary RESPONSIBILITY of business to cut costs and improve their net."

Yes and as we saw, BOEING exercised it by MOVING OUT OF THE STATE!

Posted by jamesb

3:57 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Truth,

Clicked on the link. Where does it show endorsements of Gregoire from porno shops and needle exchanges?

Now letís see if you can follow instructions. You made the statement Gregoire has been endorsed by porno shops and needle exchanges. Show your proof of that statement. If there is a specific PDC filing, then show it.

Posted by THE TRUTH

4:05 PM, Jul 30, 2008

jamesb


"Clicked on the link. Where does it show endorsements of Gregoire from porno shops and needle exchanges?"


You need to go through the donors list like everyone else you will find all the money she has received and who donated.

Posted by John

4:08 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Particle Man

"It is of course laughable to suggest that you or the Times are supporters of the Governor."


Posted by John

4:10 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Particle Man

"It is of course laughable to suggest that you or the Times are supporters of the Governor."


Posted by John

4:10 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Particle Man

"It is of course laughable to suggest that you or the Times are supporters of the Governor."


Posted by John

4:13 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Particle Man

"It is of course laughable to suggest that you or the Times are supporters of the Governor."


I'm so sorry I kept laughing so much all I could do was paste and click...
OMG that made my day.....

Posted by Bothsides

4:19 PM, Jul 30, 2008

JimD, Spin, spin, spin, but we don't buy it. Forbes ran an article about SEATTLE, big deal. The facts are coming home to roost for CG, otherwise she'd have the endorsements of business. You should give up while you're behind. Cuz you're not making your case. next subject....

Posted by jamesb

4:25 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Truth,

You threw out the accusation which would imply that you have the answer. This isnít an Easter egg hunt. Who, specifically, are you talking about? Stop the cat and mouse game. You made the statement, back it up. What porno shop and needle exchange owners (I didnít know anyone actually owned needle exchanges) have endorsed Gregoire?

Posted by THE TRUTH

4:39 PM, Jul 30, 2008

jamesb


"You threw out the accusation which would imply that you have the answer. This isnít an Easter egg hunt. Who, specifically, are you talking about? Stop the cat and mouse game. You made the statement, back it up. What porno shop and needle exchange owners (I didnít know anyone actually owned needle exchanges) have endorsed Gregoire?"

I know ,I know, I need to treat you like my kids when they where young sorry, Can I call you Jamie ?
Needle exchange is a Business they have payrolls.
Gee, you think everything is free and no one pays for this service. You need to go outside and see the real world kid. I thought you had some education however I was wrong.

Posted by jamesb

5:11 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Truth,

So the best you can do is once again resort to name calling and condescension? It would appear you canít back up your statement.


Posted by John

5:29 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Jamie


"So the best you can do is once again resort to name calling and condescension? It would appear you canít back up your statement. "

I will not be your teacher, you need more education continue with a private school. Everything you need I have given you.
Time you grow up and do things on your own I will not be around for ever to help you son.

Posted by THE TRUTH

5:51 PM, Jul 30, 2008

We have all tried to help you over the past month or so.
when you get older you will be welcome in the G.O.P.
Until then try Google you may or knowing you, may not find your answer.

Posted by jamesb

6:00 PM, Jul 30, 2008

LOLÖ.well John/Truth. You finally trip up and reveal your duel personalities. Always though you were writing under both names. Good to hear you are in agreement with yourself.

You would have to know what you are talking about before you start teaching good sir.

Posted by John

6:32 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Jamesb,


Everyone on the blog has played your "prove it game"
Needless to say you cannot find anything on your own, the time you have wasted bugging everyone for information you could have found it yourself maybe.

Posted by jamesb

6:45 PM, Jul 30, 2008

John,
You seem to have a problem with being asked to support the things you say. Why is that? If I posted an accusation about Rossi, donít you think I should be able to back it up?

Posted by The TRUTH

7:33 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Jamesb,
The majority of users on this site have the ability to search.
I never asked you to prove any fact as I can find out myself. This is the difference between a doer and a follower.


Posted by jamesb

8:48 PM, Jul 30, 2008

Truth,

Nice try. you just can not support the things you say.

Posted by upchuck

10:06 PM, Jul 30, 2008

so it seems FW managed to accomplish the equivalent of a dozen public comment hearings in oly (except only soliciting input from one political side) all the while at likely a much higher cost than public comment hearings to provide and providing a greater income for the head of the organization than warranted for such low skilled work of course helped along by the non-profit tax exempt status of the org. sounds like a ypical conservative privatization scheme to me: boast about the efficiencies of the private sector to justify funneling public funds into private hands at overall greater cost to the public, for less service, but more income for the business leaders (aka special interests)

Posted by JimD

6:15 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Truth wrote:
"...Jamesb,
The majority of users on this site have the ability to search.
I never asked you to prove any fact as I can find out myself. This is the difference between a doer and a follower...."

You don't get it, John.
Most posters here - including many Gregoire supporters - are responsible and careful to distinguish their personal opinion from documented fact.
You don't seem to know the difference, and apparently think the format gives you license to be intentionally (and often, so obviously) be completely dishonest.
In addition, you're rude and disrespectful - using this blog as a reference guide to your favorite web sites despite the obvious inappropriateness, threatening litigation against those who disagree with you (remember that?), posting under multiple names to falsify additional support of your opinions...and all manner of dishonesty - as if this was a user-driven discussion site where anything goes, instead of David Postman's blog.

No, John -- when you post something as fact, you should meet the same standard of credibility as everyone else.
The difference between those who substantiate what they present as fact and those make up any lie they think they'll get away with, is the difference between men of integrity and those severely lacking that character trait.

Posted by John

8:53 AM, Jul 31, 2008

Jimd,Jamesb or whoever,

That time of the month again!

Posted by jamesb

9:05 AM, Jul 31, 2008

John,
What a brilliant retort. Your debate skills and grasp of the ďfactsĒ amaze us all.

Posted by JimD

12:28 PM, Jul 31, 2008

It's a maze all right...

Posted by John

5:56 PM, Aug 04, 2008

Youíre my favorite liberal JIMD. Both personalities have shown me why my party will win in 2008 and why America needs to stand up against liberalism.

You cannot hide under the name Jamesb Mr. Jimd, I only wish you could go National with your intriguing thoughtless mind process of many words but nothing to really say. In fact BHO must be your mentor, you have so little to say on anything that your posts are meaningless when it comes to substance. I have never been a racist and find your accusations laughable.

I do not want to cause other posters trouble on this blog everyone knows what your real motives are on this blog now, so I will not be posting here any longer as you true colors have been reveled.

As I said before I am your worst nightmare as you have proven in your hits on me, which brings a smile thank you.

I expect what ticked you off today was thisÖ

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Cheers,
John

Posted by JimD

8:50 PM, Aug 04, 2008

Good grief, John. Get a grip.
I don't like you.
I rarely read your drivel..
I don't want to be your friend.
I don't want to have anything to do with you.
So buck-up like a man and leave me alone, for Christ's sake.
Your love-scorned, pervert=stalker routine is creeping me out.

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