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December 24, 2007 10:01 AM

Presidential match game

Posted by David Postman

If you didn’t get a chance to see the Sunday paper, check out this story by Ralph Thomas. He looked at online presidential match games that are designed to help people decide which candidate thinks most like they do. There were some pretty surprising results when he got some local political types to try the games.

My favorite pairing was business lobbyist Carolyn Logue and her political soul mate -- well, one of several, depending on the site -- Kent McManigal. If you’re not familiar with McManigal, he’s a write-in candidate for president as a Radical Libertarian. He’s a protest candidate, having given up his active campaign “when I realized that it wasn't possible to force the government back into the cage that the Constitution was designed to be while using methods approved and "allowed" by the same rogue government.”

He says on his personal Web site:

I was born at least a hundred years too late. Probably more like one hundred and fifty. I think I would make a better caveman than a "cog in the machinery of modern life".

He’s not totally adverse to modern amenities, though. He likes to sing Karoke. You can click here to check out the song stylings of the self-described “Mountain Man, primitive survivalist, ‘Hooligan libertarian’, anarchist, write-in presidential candidate, opinionated writer of blogs and letters-to-editors, gun lover, UFO-loving skeptic, animal lover, karaoke singer, and all-around character.”

Want to see if you match up with the Mountain Man? Try these and let me know what you find:

It’s easy to dismiss such tools. But at least one reader is reconsidering his presidential choice after reading Sunday’s story and trying the match game. He wrote to Ralph this morning:

The matching applications bring issues back into the fold and help people make sure they aren't voting completely on charisma or religion or looks. I want the leader of the United States to handle the issues I care about, not just to look good and speak well while continuing to drive the US into obscurity.


For instance, I was originally completely on the Democratic side in favor of Obama. I did some of these quizzes a while back expecting to see Obama at the top of my list. I was surprised when it came out Ron Paul, but I didn't take this to mean that the selection was wrong. Even though I had completely dismissed Ron Paul up to that point (partially because of my annoyance with is fanatical supporters), I took the opportunity to read up on him, and watch his great Google video on youtube (from the Google Candidates talk). Surprisingly, his views rang true to me more than the Democrat views. Looking at the 'issues', the matching applications were correct, even if I had favored another candidate previously. Now I favor Obama as a Democrat, but Ron Paul as a Republican.


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Posted by Ebenezer

10:50 AM, Dec 24, 2007

I've done these in the past, but never took them too seriously, because it's easy to skew the results based on poorly worded questions or by simplifying an issue. For instance, the USA Today quiz doesn't mention any specific progressive approaches to the tax system besides letting the Bush wealthy tax cuts expire, etc. And many use the death penalty as a proxy for all attitudes regarding criminal justice, which would be sloppy if one were take them seriously. You need multiple choice to make these tests workable, but that also means being careful to provide fair and varied choices.

However, as the reader comment above states, these are useful for focusing on issues, which the mainstream media puts a distant second to the horse race. Using these are a great idea - if someone built a comprehensive questionnaire that got into the meat of issues, the tests might take 30 minutes to complete, but they'd be a much more useful tool for matching candidates and for learning about issues.

Thanks for covering this, David - it's good not to dismiss something as silly without providing a fair analysis.

Posted by evergreen_representative

11:24 AM, Dec 24, 2007

I think these kinds of quizzes are a good development. Too often, it seems like candidates are supported for relatively trivial reasons, not the least relating to whether the Corporate Mainstream News Media thinks particular candidates have a good chance of winning or not. The more that voters vote on the issues, the more that governmental policies that are enacted afterwards will reflect their positions. The only presidential candidates that were in the Congress in 2002 that voted against the Iraq War Resolution were Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, which should generate those candidates plenty of support, you would think.

www.PartyofCommons.com

Posted by stilwell

12:03 PM, Dec 24, 2007

It's hard to see how these things accurately portray a fringe candidate like Paul, seeing as the one I looked at didn't have any questions about doing away with the Fed and going on the gold standard.

I mean, the gold standard?! Amazing.

But blimps are pretty cool. Go Ron!

Posted by JimD

1:40 PM, Dec 24, 2007

I just listened to a League Of Women's Voters symposium (XM POTUS'08, ch 130) on the related party affiliation. The speakers, each expert in their related fields of research, polling and analysis, all expressed the same central conclusions;
Party affiliation is heavily influenced by the political environment one comes of age with in their twenties. Today's twenty-something's are more heavily democratic than ever before (off the charts, literally).
As that party's culture and values change, one tends to find specific issues to justify their continued affiliation.
Those who more thoroughly analyze and compare their true beliefs with an objective analysis of their party's current positions, is more inclined to re-evaluate their affiliation - particularly republicans drifting away from their party's all-consuming, social-values dogma.
Fascinating issue, and very timely as this presidential race has everyone scratching their head. We may be witnessing the most important presidential election consensus of our lifetime, and as such - perhaps the most thoughtful. It's going to be a fascinating year.
Thanks, David.

Posted by Ebenezer

3:14 PM, Dec 24, 2007

I made my first comment after doing the first four sites listed. The fifth, MyElectionChoices.com, is much more detailed, and is far superior. It lists proposals made by the various candidates in different policy areas. You check off proposals that you agree with.

It's not necessarily scientific (although compared to the other four, it's much closer), but it's more in depth. In addition, it shows the variety of ideas the various candidates have. I can be as cynical as the next person, but a lot of these candidates have interesting ideas, both D and R, and this is the best site of these by far. I'd rather here what the candidates have to say, instead of websites that filter out the most interesting and innovative ideas.

Posted by YIKES

7:03 PM, Dec 24, 2007

David--
Someone actually said they "favor Ron Paul as a Republican and Obama as a Democrat"????
That's a real laugher.
Obama is a big government, nanny state flip-flopper for crying out loud.
Obama has ZERO in common with Ron Paul except they both breathe air and have a pulse.
Don't you think someone should have asked this moron for a few more examples of how he equates the two??

Posted by KS

10:31 PM, Dec 24, 2007

This type of quiz would tend to give results that are all over the board, because it is based on heresay by the candidates, a less accurate indicator than supporting what they have done. Replacing what they have said by what they have done may not address all of the issues, but would give way more of an accurate indication of what each candidate is about - Ron Paul notwithstanding.

Paul and Huckabee followed by Dodd, Obama and Guilliani were my resuilts - seems dysfunctional to me.

Posted by Daniel K

11:21 PM, Dec 24, 2007

These are interesting tools. The last one was certainly the most time consuming to go through, but combined perhaps something can be taken away from them.

If I rank the top three choices from the five tools I get Obama, Kucinich and Gravel. If I then eliminate Gravel and Kucinich as candidates that might have the right message at times, but from the wrong messenger, then my top three come out to be Obama, Dodd and Biden.

If I just consider the top three Dems in the race for the nomination (at this time), then Obama comes out far above Clinton and Edwards.

As someone who is undecided, the information is interesting.

Posted by Kent McManigal

1:13 PM, Dec 26, 2007

Thanks for the mention. I always appreciate it when a reporter doesn't ridicule me. When I take the quiz I only match up with myself about 90%, so I suppose one shouldn't take them too seriously.

Posted by skeptical

5:32 AM, Dec 27, 2007

I've noticed that there are many revelatory testimonials on various web sites posted by Ron Paul supporters claiming similar conversion experiences. So many that I'm somewhat suspicious that it is a persuasive devide being advanced by the campaign. This is the campaign that's had supporters arguing all over the internet that orchestrated Republican straw polls are more reliable at measuring a candidate's strength than professional polling.

Posted by lupulin

3:44 PM, Dec 28, 2007

Odd.... My match said Dave Postman for President. Wonder if too many people broke the quizzes.

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