Advertising
anchor link to jump to start of content

The Seattle Times Company NWclassifieds NWsource seattletimes.com
seattletimes.com Politics Home delivery Contact us Search archives
Your account  Today's news index  Weather  Traffic  Movies  Restaurants  Today's events
  NWCLASSIFIEDS
  NWSOURCE
  SERVICES





Behind the Curtain

September 30, 2004

Debate, from the Middle English, to beat

Tonight's the night. It all comes down to this. Unless it doesn't. In which case it will come down to events "on the ground" in Iraq. Or maybe Kerry's ability to "define himself." Or right-track/wrong-track numbers. Or the economy. Or job creation. Or the Florida Secretary of State.

In any case, tonight's the big debate, and we'll be watching every second, doing a shot of Jaegermeister every time the words "terror" and "terrorist" are used and doing some real time blogging, so tune into seattletimes.com.

Then, be sure to check in our post-debate commentary, offered offline only at Murphy's in the U District.

Hal Bernton and Craig Welch finish up our epic series on the environmental record. Today, they look at Sen. John Kerry's record, and specifically what he did with commercial fishing -- an all-important industry in his home state -- back in 1996 and thereafter.

Farmed cod reached new lows then, which was about to spur the federal government into action.

"Fishery science, Kerry wrote in a letter co-signed by two other senators, is not 'absolutely precise' and 'uncertainties remain.' It would be better, the letter continued, to hold off on drastic action until more studies could be completed."

Snip.

"In the decade-long struggle to help restore the New England fish stocks, Kerry faced one of the toughest conservation challenges of his career, walking a tightrope between saving fish, whose plight was championed by environmentalists, and saving fishermen, whose fiery independence and passion for the water help define New England. In the process, Kerry helped craft landmark legislation in 1996 to rebuild the fisheries. But later, on occasion, he urged a New England fishery council charged with drafting harvest policy to postpone tough harvest restrictions, according to a review of meeting minutes and correspondence obtained by The Seattle Times under the federal Freedom of Information Act."

Debate? This ain't no debate. David Postman tracked down the moderator of the third Kennedy-Nixon debates. He lives in Renton.

"Shadel turned 96 in July. He's seen a lot of presidential debates since the night in October 1960 when he was in Los Angeles to moderate the third meeting of Vice President Nixon, a Republican, and his Democratic opponent, Sen. Kennedy of Massachusetts. He says presidential debates today are too closely regulated to allow for real news to seep out. He knows he won't see true face-to-face debating with the candidates grilling each other or tough follow-up questions."

Snip.

"He derided the extensive rules that govern the debate and the bipartisan commission that drafts them."

Speaking of extensive rules, Kerry wanted the room to be super air-conditioned, like David Letterman's studio. Bush's team said no. Kerry's a "sweater," as in, one who sweats, and women don't like "sweaters," somebody on the Bush team said, not for attribution.

Darn. BtC's a sweater. No wonder... oh, nevermind.

And, speaking of sweating and the 1960 debates, there's a legendary story about Richard Nixon refusing to wear makeup for the first debate and sweating his face off. He won on radio, but lost on TV. He learned from his errors and used TV masterfully in 1968, when Roger Ailes was his TV producer. Roger Ailes. Who's that? Oh, only the head of Fox News. See why we hate politics? Because these people never die! They just morph into something else! (And, don't worry, we can think of someone on the left, too, like, say, PBS guy Bill Moyers, who ran Lyndon Johnson's campaign in 1964 and ran the dirty "Daisy" ad, which presented a young girl picking daisies followed by the blast of a nuclear bomb.)

Here's a debate prep. Some fact-checking.

Jim Brunner reports on the Nethercutt ad we talked about yesterday, here.

 
Posted by J. Patrick Coolican at September 30, 2004 02:20 PM

 October 2004
S M T W T F S
          1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31            


 

 ARCHIVES
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004

 RECENT ENTRIES
And the winner is....

Debate, from the Middle English, to beat

Dino

It's the electoral college, stupid

The environmental record

The environmental record

Rossi v Gregoire; That little thing; Armitage

This, that.

Stewart vs. O'Reilly

Huge blog entry: Wash business is irked; the chief for Kerry; bear-baiting, women like Bush; at Lapham and Cat Stevens

 LINKS

Behind the curtain would like to thank Rich Meislin of The New York Times for compiling much of this list. The views expressed on the following web sites are not those of The Seattle Times, and The Seattle Times is not responsible for the content expressed on them.

The Government
The White House
The House of Representatives
GOP.gov
The Speaker's News Page
Freedom Works
House Democratic leadership page
House Clerk's Office
House Rules Committee
The Senate
Senate Republican Policy Committee
Senate Democratic Leadership
The Judiciary
Supreme Court
Federal District and Appeals Courts
Congressional Pictoral Directory
Congress.org
FedWorld Information Services
FirstGov
Federal Government Agencies
Federal Web Locator
National Governors' Association
National Conference of State Legislatures
New York State Government Information Locator

Parties & Persuasions
Democratic National Committee
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
New Democrats Online
Republican National Committee
National Republican Congressional Committee
National Republican Senatorial Committee
State Republican parties and candidates
Libertarian Party
Free-Market.net
Libertarian.org
Reform Party
The Green Parties worldwide
Green Party of the United States
Democratic Socialists of America
Communist Party U.S.A.
Socialist Party U.S.A.
New Party
Natural Law Party
Constitution Party
The Federalist Society
The Christian Coalition
National Right to Life Committee
National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
Moving Ideas
People for the American Way
National Committee for an Effective Congress
Campaign for America's Future
New Democrat Networks
Democrats.com
The Interfaith Alliance
American Israel Public Affairs Committee
The Feminist Majority
American Conservative Union
Emily's List
National Organization for Women
National Rifle Association
American Civil Liberties Union
The John Birch Society
The Concord Coalition
Web Active
NetAction
AFL-CIO
MoveOn

Political Information
LA Times Electoral Vote Tracker
The American Presidency
Ballot Access News
Cato Institute
Center for Public Integrity
The Center for Voting and Democracy
Congressional Guide
Congressional Quarterly's Campaigns and Elections
Congressional roll calls
Council on Foreign Relations
Federal Election Commission
Follow the Money
Gender Gap
The Gallup Poll
Gotham Gazette
GovSpot
Heritage Foundation
InCongress
National Political Index
OpenSecrets.org
Political Information
PoliticalMoneyLine
Political Site of the Day
Political Science Resources
Politics1
Pollingreport.com
Project Vote Smart
Public Agenda
self-gov.org
TownHall.com
Voter and registration demographics
Vote.com
Whitehouse 2004

Political Media & Commentary

The Atlantic Policy & Society
C-Span
Commentary
eVote
Fast Politics
Foreign Policy
The Hill Capitol Hill news
National Review Online
The New Republic Online
Roll Call Online
Salon politics
Slate
The Weekly Standard
The Nation
Mother Jones
Arts and Letters Daily
The New York Review of Books

Public Opinion
RealClear Politics

News Organizations
ABC News
The Note
CBS News
The Los Angeles Times
The New York Times
The Wall Street Journal
The Washington Post

Foreign:
Guardian
Times Online
The Irish Times
BBC
Le Monde
Haaretz Daily
The Jerusalem Post

Locals:
The Stranger
Seattle Weekly
Seattle PI: No comment
The Tacoma New Tribune
The Oregonian
The Everett Herald
Spokesman Review
The Bremerton Sun

Private Organizations
Gallup Poll
Ipsos
Kaiser Family Foundation
MORI
Pew Research Center
PollingReport.com
Public Agenda
The Tarrance Group's Battleground Polls
Yankelovich
Zogby International

State Polls
Arkansas Poll
Field Poll
Quinnipiac University Poll
Minneapolis Star Tribune
Quinnipiac University Poll
Marist Institute for Public Opnion
Quinnipiac University Poll
Quinnipiac University Poll

Academic Organizations
Council of European Social Science Data Archives
Archives in Europe
Archives in North America
Other archives
The Eagleton Poll
General Social Survey
Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Odum Institute
Program on International Policy Attitudes
Racial Attitudes in America
Roper Center

Presidential Candidates
George W. Bush
John Kerry
Ralph Nader

The Blogosphere
www.talkingpointsmemo.com
www.andrewsullivan.com
Between the lines
Atrios: liberal
Kaus files
Altercation
American Prospect
Kevin Drum
Weekly standard
David Frum

The finest publication in the world:
The ONION

Powered by
Movable Type 2.51


seattletimes.com home
Home delivery | Contact us | Search archive | Site map | Low-graphic
NWclassifieds | NWsource | Advertising info | The Seattle Times Company

Copyright

Back to topBack to top